seller refuse to meetup to selll miners but accept escrow your thouhts?

[janismm88]

Hi I found one seller but he refuse to meet before I make escrow payment? He sell many miners for 45KEUR... ok maybe because of this amount but still you could meetup other place with less miners split order etc.
What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment

[player514]

Hi I found one seller but he refuse to meet before I make escrow payment? He sell many miners for 45KEUR... ok maybe because of this amount but still you could meetup other place with less miners split order etc.
What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment

If it's an escrowed deal, make sure to find someone VERY reputable because I don't think you'll be dealing with small amounts of money. Even with an escrow, I would be a little iffy about the seller. If I were to spend that much money, I'd want to see the product before I make any payment. So, in this case, I would say not to go through with the deal just because if you're dealing with the amount of money that you say you are, it's not worth it to get scammed.

[Pekine]

Try to find some other people who did business with them. Otherwise I would not do the deal for that amount of money.

[Kemarit]

Hi I found one seller but he refuse to meet before I make escrow payment? He sell many miners for 45KEUR... ok maybe because of this amount but still you could meetup other place with less miners split order etc.
What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment

If it's an escrowed deal, make sure to find someone VERY reputable because I don't think you'll be dealing with small amounts of money. Even with an escrow, I would be a little iffy about the seller. If I were to spend that much money, I'd want to see the product before I make any payment. So, in this case, I would say not to go through with the deal just because if you're dealing with the amount of money that you say you are, it's not worth it to get scammed.

This is also my call. Get a trusted escrow here and you should be the one who chooses escrow. Several scenario's might happen (1) If he chooses his own escrows  then the possibility of him and escrow colluding is there and even if its just a small amount they will likely pull a scam (2) payment in bitcoin is irreversible, so once you pay him without escrow then say goodbye to your bitcoin. If you guys doesn't meet in the middle then I might as well go and look for other options. IMHO.

[janismm88]

actually he gave me list of escrows to choose so that's a good sign but otherwise his offer is full of alarming signs not willing to provide all pictures, dont want to meetup, delete post from his thread etc etc.
He is cocky idiot or scam 2 options

[VitKoyn]

Hi I found one seller but he refuse to meet before I make escrow payment? He sell many miners for 45KEUR... ok maybe because of this amount but still you could meetup other place with less miners split order etc.
What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment

Given that you are dealing with person you don't know with huge amount of money on the line, it is not safe to make a deal without seeing the products you are willing to buy, It smells fishy if he refuse to to show the hardwares before escrow payments, because there might be some damages on the hardwares that he don't want the buyer to see or he/she is selling a fake one, there is no way I will buy any products online without seeing the actual picture of it especially if it is not cheap. If you really want to deal with this person then you should be the one who will pick an escrow not the one he wants you to use.

[tomahawk9]

actually he gave me list of escrows to choose so that's a good sign but otherwise his offer is full of alarming signs not willing to provide all pictures, dont want to meetup, delete post from his thread etc etc.
He is cocky idiot or scam 2 options

Does the escrow list have any reputable members? if it doesn't then that's a big red flag. And like you said, the fact that the seller doesn't even provide any pictures is very suspicious. Deleting posts isn't that much of an issue since people can always leave a positive/negative feedback on the seller's Trust summary.

But honestly, if you think that something doesn't feel quite right, just look for another seller.

[LuanX3]

Hi I found one seller but he refuse to meet before I make escrow payment? He sell many miners for 45KEUR... ok maybe because of this amount but still you could meetup other place with less miners split order etc.
What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment

It would be best to escrow payment with a really trusted member and use a multisig wallet since it is worth that much. Since it is that big, I would say that you should get something like 3 of 4 multisig or even 3 of 5 multisig. Get two to three escrows so that you can mitigate a lot of risk since it is a huge amount. Just be careful sending money to just anyone and do you own due diligence!

[Danos]

All of you cock suckers can't realize one point.
No escrow = Scam
Escrow = ALL is okay.
If the escrow is reputable all should be okay.
Every single seller may have reason to refuse or deny pictures consider he's using escrow.
Obviously with an escrow, he won't receive single cent before the buyer confirmation.
I mean, once the buyer receive his goods and see all is okay, only then the escrow will release the coins.
It makes no sense to ask for more pictures if there was already some provided as proof of ownership.
People sell 100+ miners and screen only 5 of them (for obvious reasons).
You can't ask someone to screen everything he sells because its stupid.
If you go with HIGH TRUSTED escrow, everything is cool.

[marlboroza]

actually he gave me list of escrows to choose so that's a good sign but otherwise his offer is full of alarming signs not willing to provide all pictures, dont want to meetup, delete post from his thread etc etc.
He is cocky idiot or scam 2 options

Find another seller if you don't trust this one.
You should avoid someone who is selling items and don't want to show pictures of them.

[panjul07]

I do not find a fishy thing here, it is seller's right to ask you to escrow the funds before meet you. For such amount of money, I think I will do the same thing because seller want to make sure that you are a serious buyer.
I dont think it is a scam because he do not refuse to use escrow, he did even let you to choose the escrow, am I right? How could it be a scam if the money is not on seller's hand?

[Danos]

I don't really understand how people really expect just to go somewhere and meet person without security.
There is many robbery stories nowdays, and even with meetup money should be first in safe place (escrow) before any meetup.
Even if something goes wrong, at least the funds will be in safe place.
If i were a seller and selling couple of different miners and had thread about it providing proof of ownership for part of it, i would never agree to waste time screen all of the machines for sale.
Consider there will be escrow, the seller have no reason to do anything wrong, or he will never see even a cent from the escrow.
Simple and easy.

[Shinsan]

If it smells like a scam, I'd spend not 1 more second thinking about that deal and I'd look somewhere else.

Escrow "offers" were used in so many scams, I'd never buy anything unless it's from a reputable store, or paid on arrival.
I think large shipping companies offer this option, why wouldn't the seller use it if he's legit?
Or why wouldn't it be ok to go there and get it in person? For a 40k deal I'd fly over.

[akamit]

Hi I found one seller but he refuse to meet before I make escrow payment? He sell many miners for 45KEUR... ok maybe because of this amount but still you could meetup other place with less miners split order etc.
What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment

There could be many reasons if a seller doesn't want to meet and deliver the goods, as an example.... distance.
But it is not right to release escrow before buyer confirms the goods are in good form and the seller should not force buyer on releasing the escrow.

The reason why the seller wants you to release the escrow before you look at the goods is that you may claim the good is damaged and you can take advantage of escrow. MAYBE!

It will be better to ignore this deal because you both are not in a good understanding level, if you guys still try to execute the deal then you may get some problem later.
But if you still insist to do the deal then a local escrow can be very helpful. If any problem arises then the escrow can check the goods physically.

[Mevz]

Maybe the seller want's to private his personality. Its good for you both to hire a trusted escrow just to make sure you're money will not lose. But I see no reason why the seller doesn't wan't to show up his face it turns me up to curiosity.

 

If it smells like a scam, I'd spend not 1 more second thinking about that deal and I'd look somewhere else.

Escrow "offers" were used in so many scams, I'd never buy anything unless it's from a reputable store, or paid on arrival.
I think large shipping companies offer this option, why wouldn't the seller use it if he's legit?
Or why wouldn't it be ok to go there and get it in person? For a 40k deal I'd fly over.

Many scammers are veteran in doing that we should be aware of. Face to face dealing is the best option you could do. You can assure with it. If you are not sure about that think twice or thrice so many legit sellers that could offer you more to trade safety. Unlike that one its very suspicious.

[Quidat]

Hi I found one seller but he refuse to meet before I make escrow payment? He sell many miners for 45KEUR... ok maybe because of this amount but still you could meetup other place with less miners split order etc.
What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment

If the seller is residing only near into your place then its quiet odd that he wont agree on the terms of meet up yet you are just residing near each other which means if he wont meet up then its suspicious.Meeting up is the safest way for me on making transactions specially when we are already transacting big amounts. Its good to see the item first before paying out. If escrowed funds then always go for the reputable escrows into this forum.

[milewilda]

Hi I found one seller but he refuse to meet before I make escrow payment? He sell many miners for 45KEUR... ok maybe because of this amount but still you could meetup other place with less miners split order etc.
What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment

If the seller is residing only near into your place then its quiet odd that he wont agree on the terms of meet up yet you are just residing near each other which means if he wont meet up then its suspicious.Meeting up is the safest way for me on making transactions specially when we are already transacting big amounts. Its good to see the item first before paying out. If escrowed funds then always go for the reputable escrows into this forum.

I am with this words.If someone do sell out in the same place of the seller then he can anytime show off those miners without any hesitations unless if hes just purely lying just to scam someone then he wont do any physical appearances into its buyers.I would ask on how many miners do he sell? 45k EUR is a huge money.Check out prices if its a steal or way too over priced depending what miners do he sell.If he decide to use escrow then dont let him choose the guy.

[1Referee]

Maybe the seller want's to private his personality. Its good for you both to hire a trusted escrow just to make sure you're money will not lose. But I see no reason why the seller doesn't wan't to show up his face it turns me up to curiosity.

You somewhat answered your own question. If we dig a bit deeper into why people wouldn't want to deal with random people, then it's safe to say that it's done to maintain a non crypto profile for the outside world. I would trade in this exact same fashion as well. In fact, I have sold coins through a proxy to someone who was in need of Bitcoin that wanted to pay a fair premium. The main point is that as long as the escrow (ie, proxy) is a reputable party that both the buyer and seller agree with, it's not a problem at all. In this case the escrow could even test if everything works properly.

[Fredomago]

Hi I found one seller but he refuse to meet before I make escrow payment? He sell many miners for 45KEUR... ok maybe because of this amount but still you could meetup other place with less miners split order etc.
What do you think it's a scam? He allow to see product after escrow payment. and its not cash but BTC payment

If the seller is residing only near into your place then its quiet odd that he wont agree on the terms of meet up yet you are just residing near each other which means if he wont meet up then its suspicious.Meeting up is the safest way for me on making transactions specially when we are already transacting big amounts. Its good to see the item first before paying out. If escrowed funds then always go for the reputable escrows into this forum.

Point is there mate, the seller just in case is residing near to you it's much better to meet you up giving assurance that the item is in good condition, but if not then the offer of having an escrow is another good option, giving you the opportunity to find reputable escrow here and allow your deal being safe just to make sure that you will find an escrow who already have a lots of positive feedback and already familiar with such deals.

[buwaytress]

Maybe the seller want's to private his personality. Its good for you both to hire a trusted escrow just to make sure you're money will not lose. But I see no reason why the seller doesn't wan't to show up his face it turns me up to curiosity.

You somewhat answered your own question. If we dig a bit deeper into why people wouldn't want to deal with random people, then it's safe to say that it's done to maintain a non crypto profile for the outside world. I would trade in this exact same fashion as well. In fact, I have sold coins through a proxy to someone who was in need of Bitcoin that wanted to pay a fair premium. The main point is that as long as the escrow (ie, proxy) is a reputable party that both the buyer and seller agree with, it's not a problem at all. In this case the escrow could even test if everything works properly.

Yeah. I'd never do a face to face, especially as a seller. There's nothing wrong with wanting to keep as much of your privacy as possible - in fact, there's everything right with that. Not to mention personal security. We're talking about a lot of money and very specific, very expensive equipment here. I'm pretty laid back when it comes to my physical identity in relation to crypto, but then I'm not dealing with this kind of financial and monetary risks...

As pointed out rather creatively a few posts above, (a solid) escrow is really all you need. Protects both parties' interests and ensures both sides get what they want without much fuss.