New 16 gpu industrial style miner review. Will post details soon__updated

[kjs]

So the STH review labels this as a mining rig ideal for remote data center deployment.

But how do you deploy something like this that isn’t even remotely rack mountable? Is the data center supposed to just leave a couple of these in the corner with some extension cords running to them?

Mining data centres typically use shelving rather than traditional 19" racks, so that is how you do it.

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To: philipma1957

Thank you very much!

[philipma1957]

So the STH review labels this as a mining rig ideal for remote data center deployment.

But how do you deploy something like this that isn’t even remotely rack mountable? Is the data center supposed to just leave a couple of these in the corner with some extension cords running to them?

Mining data centres typically use shelving rather than traditional 19" racks, so that is how you do it.

These fit on a three foot shelf.

They are about 31 inches .

They can be clocked to use 1350 to 1800 watts.

So at pushed clocks in a cheap power setup.

2 x 1800 = 3600 watts

A 20 amp 240 volt circuit is 4800 watts derates to 3840 watts.

This means 2 rigs per ciruit.

A 30 amp 240 volt circuit is 7200 watts derates to 5760 watts

Which is 4 of these clocked at 1400 watts

It is nice to see that the flexible power usage is available with them.

They would be dense which is a good feature.

I really think that these would be nice if buysolar and I get our second solar array going.

A simple 10 by 10 shed would allow three three foot wide racks each with 5 shelves.  That would be 15 units.

Pulling 21000 to 27000 watts.

We could do two sheds and that would be all the array needs

[proteus7]

I just don’t get the lots of small cards approach. A 7 gpu 1080ti rig will outperform this on most algorithms, at significantly lower cost.
7x1080ti gets you 5400+ sols, 266phi, 140 x16r, and 14k neoscrypt.
Pretty sure 16x 1060 equivalent cards can’t touch that..

[raw12]

Would love to see that thing do it's stuff on https://forgetop.com/

[philipma1957]

Would love to see that thing do it's stuff on https://forgetop.com/

I would consider ruuning there after I do the 1 week at nicehash mining zec

[kjs]

We are currently in the process of designing our sheet metal chassis and then integrating our multiple power supply solution into it.

Our GPU supplier has recently made the P102-100 GPU available to us so this is what we will be offering going forwards as the cost benefit of P102 vs P104 is favourable.

So in approximately 4 weeks we'll be running a batch sale for an initial batch of 120 x 16-GPU mining systems with these specs:

SKU: Ethereal Capital P102-100-X16
GPU: 16x NVIDIA P102-100 5GB GDDR5X RAM
Ethereum / Ethash Hash Rate: 800 MH/s @ 4100W (+/- 2.5%) (note estimate from manufacturer specs, TBC by actual benchmarking)
Zcash / Equihash Hash Rate: 11,000 Solutions/s @ 4500W (+/- 2.5%) (note estimate from manufacturer specs, TBC by actual benchmarking)
Monero / Cryptonote Hash Rate: 12,800 H/s @ 2400W  (+/- 2.5%) (note estimate from manufacturer specs, TBC by actual benchmarking)
CPU: Intel Pentium Processor D1508, Single socket FCBGA 1667, 2 Core, 4 Threads, 25W
RAM: 4GB DDR4 UDIMM (expandable to 128 GB DDR4 ECC RDIMM)
Storage: 16GB flash storage (expandable via 6 x SATA3 ports and 1 x M.2 PCI-E 3.0 x4)
Backplane: Supports up to 16x PCI-E GPU's at up to 300W TDP each
Network: 2x 10G Ethernet Ports
Remote Management: 1x Dedicated 1G Ethernet Port, IPMI 2.0 with virtual media over LAN and KVM-over-LAN support
Power Supply: Either 4 x 1400W or 5 x 1200W Delta Power Supplies in N+1 redundant configuration (TBC)
Cooling: 6x 4500 RPM 120x120x38mm Delta fans with PWM speed control
OS: EthOS
Display Output: VGA
Dimensions (L x W x H): 750mm x 550mm x 200mm x 20kg (approximately)

[philipma1957]

We are currently in the process of designing our sheet metal chassis and then integrating our multiple power supply solution into it.

Our GPU supplier has recently made the P102-100 GPU available to us so this is what we will be offering going forwards as the cost benefit of P102 vs P104 is favourable.

So in approximately 4 weeks we'll be running a batch sale for an initial batch of 120 x 16-GPU mining systems with these specs:

SKU: Ethereal Capital P102-100-X16
GPU: 16x NVIDIA P102-100 5GB GDDR5X RAM
Ethereum / Ethash Hash Rate: 800 MH/s @ 4100W (+/- 2.5%) (note estimate from manufacturer specs, TBC by actual benchmarking)
Zcash / Equihash Hash Rate: 11,000 Solutions/s @ 4500W (+/- 2.5%) (note estimate from manufacturer specs, TBC by actual benchmarking)
Monero / Cryptonote Hash Rate: 12,800 H/s @ 2400W  (+/- 2.5%) (note estimate from manufacturer specs, TBC by actual benchmarking)
CPU: Intel Pentium Processor D1508, Single socket FCBGA 1667, 2 Core, 4 Threads, 25W
RAM: 4GB DDR4 UDIMM (expandable to 128 GB DDR4 ECC RDIMM)
Storage: 16GB flash storage (expandable via 6 x SATA3 ports and 1 x M.2 PCI-E 3.0 x4)
Backplane: Supports up to 16x PCI-E GPU's at up to 300W TDP each
Network: 2x 10G Ethernet Ports
Remote Management: 1x Dedicated 1G Ethernet Port, IPMI 2.0 with virtual media over LAN and KVM-over-LAN support
Power Supply: Either 4 x 1400W or 5 x 1200W Delta Power Supplies in N+1 redundant configuration (TBC)
Cooling: 6x 4500 RPM 120x120x38mm Delta fans with PWM speed control
OS: EthOS
Display Output: VGA
Dimensions (L x W x H): 750mm x 550mm x 200mm x 20kg (approximately)

Yeah this would a real beast.

Bigger fans should work.  But it will be louder and hotter then the 106-100

The specs they list are really pushing the cards 4500/16  = 250 watts plus per card.

My gut tells me set a tdp of 200 watts and you will do 3200 plus 300 = 3500 watts and still be over 9000 sols

[kjs]

We are currently in the process of designing our sheet metal chassis and then integrating our multiple power supply solution into it.

Our GPU supplier has recently made the P102-100 GPU available to us so this is what we will be offering going forwards as the cost benefit of P102 vs P104 is favourable.

So in approximately 4 weeks we'll be running a batch sale for an initial batch of 120 x 16-GPU mining systems with these specs:

SKU: Ethereal Capital P102-100-X16
GPU: 16x NVIDIA P102-100 5GB GDDR5X RAM
Ethereum / Ethash Hash Rate: 800 MH/s @ 4100W (+/- 2.5%) (note estimate from manufacturer specs, TBC by actual benchmarking)
Zcash / Equihash Hash Rate: 11,000 Solutions/s @ 4500W (+/- 2.5%) (note estimate from manufacturer specs, TBC by actual benchmarking)
Monero / Cryptonote Hash Rate: 12,800 H/s @ 2400W  (+/- 2.5%) (note estimate from manufacturer specs, TBC by actual benchmarking)
CPU: Intel Pentium Processor D1508, Single socket FCBGA 1667, 2 Core, 4 Threads, 25W
RAM: 4GB DDR4 UDIMM (expandable to 128 GB DDR4 ECC RDIMM)
Storage: 16GB flash storage (expandable via 6 x SATA3 ports and 1 x M.2 PCI-E 3.0 x4)
Backplane: Supports up to 16x PCI-E GPU's at up to 300W TDP each
Network: 2x 10G Ethernet Ports
Remote Management: 1x Dedicated 1G Ethernet Port, IPMI 2.0 with virtual media over LAN and KVM-over-LAN support
Power Supply: Either 4 x 1400W or 5 x 1200W Delta Power Supplies in N+1 redundant configuration (TBC)
Cooling: 6x 4500 RPM 120x120x38mm Delta fans with PWM speed control
OS: EthOS
Display Output: VGA
Dimensions (L x W x H): 750mm x 550mm x 200mm x 20kg (approximately)

Yeah this would a real beast.

Bigger fans should work.  But it will be louder and hotter then the 106-100

The specs they list are really pushing the cards 4500/16  = 250 watts plus per card.

My gut tells me set a tdp of 200 watts and you will do 3200 plus 300 = 3500 watts and still be over 9000 sols

Benchmarking is the key, I am awaiting delivery of 16 x P102-100 GPU's so I can actually test them.  They should arrive within a few weeks.

[kjs]

Bigger fans should work.  But it will be louder and hotter then the 106-100

The specs they list are really pushing the cards 4500/16  = 250 watts plus per card.

My gut tells me set a tdp of 200 watts and you will do 3200 plus 300 = 3500 watts and still be over 9000 sols

WRT the fans we will test the existing 12 x 120x120x25mm 3400 RPM fans with PWM speed control vs 6 x 120x120x38mm 4500 RPM fans with PWM speed control to determine the relative thermal, acoustic and power characteristics of each config.  The best combo shall prevail.

[proteus7]

Your problem is you are crippling your cards running them at 75% power on Equihash. Underpowering cards is fine for mem intensive algorithms like cryptonight or eth, but it directly reduces core clock speed. With an FTW3 hybrid card, 120+ power and +80 core, +400 mem should get you over 780 easily. Use DSTM or Excavator for best results.

How do you get 760 from a ftw hybrid? I'm stable at 75% pl, +100 core, +150 mem. This gets me 725-730 sols, not 760?

[philipma1957]

I deleted all below it is sidetracked from the thread.

I just don’t get the lots of small cards approach. A 7 gpu 1080ti rig will outperform this on most algorithms, at significantly lower cost.
7x1080ti gets you 5400+ sols, 266phi, 140 x16r, and 14k neoscrypt.
Pretty sure 16x 1060 equivalent cards can’t touch that..

your statement that a 7 card  1080ti does  5400 sols + is wrong.  It will do 7 x 740 = 5180 sols  this is with  200 watts per card on a hybrid

If you get this card

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=11G-P4-6698-KR
you could do  7 x 760 = 5320 sols



I know this as I have a 8 card  1080ti
I have 2x 6 card 1080tis
I have had a 7 card 1080ti



My 8 card 1080ti simply can not be built anymore  as I can not get  the 1080tis
The board  for my 8 card  1080ti  needs to be an atx  and atx psus  go up to 1600 watts
This means I have to run my 8 card 1080ti  at 160 watts a card to not kill the psu.

So my 8 card 1080ti  pulls  1375 watts  against the psu and does 5200 sols.

I also have this 16 card unit for testing.

In a magical world I would own 8 card  1080tis  with  a 2000 watt corsair atx psu(no such thing as a 2000 watt)


As for this 16 card unit  with the small mother board that bridges to the 16 card pcie board
I would use a better card with better psus

They do have a better psu design  with 3x 1200 watt psus giving 3600 watts vs 2400 watt delta

If I massed produced this I would use a 1070 or 1070 ti  set to 110 watts  so 16 x 110 = 1760 add 140 = 1900 watts
you would do 7200 sols about 3.789 sols a watt
but that  does not exist.

This unit for what it is  is okay.  I could make it work at our solar array. Our next solar array would really be ideal for it

This is not a unit for a home with 13 cent power in the winter and 16 cent power in the summer

How do you get 760 from a ftw hybrid? I'm stable at 75% pl, +100 core, +150 mem. This gets me 725-730 sols, not 760?

I have no idea how you run your cards, or with what miners.I stand by my statement.
MY 1080tis (evga FTW3) all run 780+ sols each with DSTM, at 110% power and +70 core, +400 mem.
My 2 rigs have a 1600+1000 psu, and a pair of 1200w psus.
I pay $0.11/kw for power, so overclocking is far more cost effective.

I just don’t get the lots of small cards approach. A 7 gpu 1080ti rig will outperform this on most algorithms, at significantly lower cost.
7x1080ti gets you 5400+ sols, 266phi, 140 x16r, and 14k neoscrypt.
Pretty sure 16x 1060 equivalent cards can’t touch that..

your statement that a 7 card  1080ti does  5400 sols + is wrong.  It will do 7 x 740 = 5180 sols  this is with  200 watts per card on a hybrid

If you get this card

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=11G-P4-6698-KR
you could do  7 x 760 = 5320 sols



I know this as I have a 8 card  1080ti
I have 2x 6 card 1080tis
I have had a 7 card 1080ti



My 8 card 1080ti simply can not be built anymore  as I can not get  the 1080tis
The board  for my 8 card  1080ti  needs to be an atx  and atx psus  go up to 1600 watts
This means I have to run my 8 card 1080ti  at 160 watts a card to not kill the psu.

So my 8 card 1080ti  pulls  1375 watts  against the psu and does 5200 sols.

I also have this 16 card unit for testing.

In a magical world I would own 8 card  1080tis  with  a 2000 watt corsair atx psu(no such thing as a 2000 watt)


As for this 16 card unit  with the small mother board that bridges to the 16 card pcie board
I would use a better card with better psus

They do have a better psu design  with 3x 1200 watt psus giving 3600 watts vs 2400 watt delta

If I massed produced this I would use a 1070 or 1070 ti  set to 110 watts  so 16 x 110 = 1760 add 140 = 1900 watts
you would do 7200 sols about 3.789 sols a watt
but that  does not exist.

This unit for what it is  is okay.  I could make it work at our solar array. Our next solar array would really be ideal for it

This is not a unit for a home with 13 cent power in the winter and 16 cent power in the summer

Your problem is you are crippling your cards running them at 75% power on Equihash. Underpowering cards is fine for mem intensive algorithms like cryptonight or eth, but it directly reduces core clock speed. With an FTW3 hybrid card, 120+ power and +80 core, +400 mem should get you over 780 easily. Use DSTM or Excavator for best results.

How do you get 760 from a ftw hybrid? I'm stable at 75% pl, +100 core, +150 mem. This gets me 725-730 sols, not 760?

I build my rigs in 4u rack mount cases like this:
https://www.miningrigs.net/product/gray-matter-gpu-economy-case/
They can host in any datacenter once I exceed my power. Also have a new Octominer rack mount case on order. These are tighter, so require blower cards. With 8 1080ti, that’s 6ksol in 4u, hostable anywhere.
16 cards per rig is just needless complexity, and limits you to Linux. The majority of miners are better off with 6-8 high end cards vs 16 low end cards.

Pretty much exactly to my point earlier. A P102-100 is just a modifed 1080ti. its only effective of course if the price is significantly lower than current 1080tis (so well under $850/card).  Your EThash numbers look excellent, but everything else...meh. EQHash numbers seem really low. I expect a 1080ti to get well over 750sols/card and with the right tweaking 780+. That rig should be doing 12 ksol+
And why pay for 2x10gbe ports? total overkill.

We are currently in the process of designing our sheet metal chassis and then integrating our multiple power supply solution into it.

Our GPU supplier has recently made the P102-100 GPU available to us so this is what we will be offering going forwards as the cost benefit of P102 vs P104 is favourable.

So in approximately 4 weeks we'll be running a batch sale for an initial batch of 120 x 16-GPU mining systems with these specs:

SKU: Ethereal Capital P102-100-X16
GPU: 16x NVIDIA P102-100 5GB GDDR5X RAM
Ethereum / Ethash Hash Rate: 800 MH/s @ 4100W (+/- 2.5%) (note estimate from manufacturer specs, TBC by actual benchmarking)
Zcash / Equihash Hash Rate: 11,000 Solutions/s @ 4500W (+/- 2.5%) (note estimate from manufacturer specs, TBC by actual benchmarking)
Monero / Cryptonote Hash Rate: 12,800 H/s @ 2400W  (+/- 2.5%) (note estimate from manufacturer specs, TBC by actual benchmarking)
CPU: Intel Pentium Processor D1508, Single socket FCBGA 1667, 2 Core, 4 Threads, 25W
RAM: 4GB DDR4 UDIMM (expandable to 128 GB DDR4 ECC RDIMM)
Storage: 16GB flash storage (expandable via 6 x SATA3 ports and 1 x M.2 PCI-E 3.0 x4)
Backplane: Supports up to 16x PCI-E GPU's at up to 300W TDP each
Network: 2x 10G Ethernet Ports
Remote Management: 1x Dedicated 1G Ethernet Port, IPMI 2.0 with virtual media over LAN and KVM-over-LAN support
Power Supply: Either 4 x 1400W or 5 x 1200W Delta Power Supplies in N+1 redundant configuration (TBC)
Cooling: 6x 4500 RPM 120x120x38mm Delta fans with PWM speed control
OS: EthOS
Display Output: VGA
Dimensions (L x W x H): 750mm x 550mm x 200mm x 20kg (approximately)

Running cards at 110%  is a method  I don't do.
But  if you build a 7 card rig and run at 110%  you will  get your higher numbers.

Your first criticism was based on the cards being only  1060 equals.

your next criticism is based on the newer bigger cards not hashing high enough as compared to your hybrid cards  which are now over 900 usd not 850

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=11G-P4-6598-KR  they are now 909 plus shipping


I would rather have a pair of six card  evga hybrids rigs  set to  200 watts  each rig would be about 6 x 750 = 4500 sols 2 rigs would be 9000 sols

they would pull  around 1300 watts each. Or 2600 watts total.

 The problem is  I can not get those cards.   and even if I do get them 12 cards are 10908 usd plus shipping

I am also a mid sized miner.  Not a large scale guy.  The rigs in this are more for a big scale op.  easy to deploy and not a lot of tweaking.

Are you better off with your setup then buying this  it sounds like you are.

Is a guy looking to buy 50 of these and dropping them into a warehouse  better off with this setup then your setup  I think so.


For me I may get a few of the larger rigs for the solar array.  I won't be running it in my garage  as it will be too hot and loud compared to this model I am testing for them.

The  p106-100  can run in your garage  and you can have  them set to do 80 watts a card.
In a properly setup  warehouse/data center you can set them to do 100-110 watts a card.  


I really like the form factor for these cards  spotswood's frames are nice.  I would love to see the final design of the p102-100 models.  wrapped in sheet metal around the aluminum.  

30-31 inches wide  16 inches deep  11 inches high.  using the rack below will do 5 rigs or 80 cards at 200 watts each and 700 sols each is 56000 sols  and maybe 19000 watts

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Trinity-36-inch-NSF-Chrome-Wire-Shelving-Rack/401461185388?

Pretty much exactly to my point earlier. A P102-100 is just a modifed 1080ti. its only effective of course if the price is significantly lower than current 1080tis (so well under $850/card).  Your EThash numbers look excellent, but everything else...meh. EQHash numbers seem really low. I expect a 1080ti to get well over 750sols/card and with the right tweaking 780+. That rig should be doing 12 ksol+
And why pay for 2x10gbe ports? total overkill.

We are currently in the process of designing our sheet metal chassis and then integrating our multiple power supply solution into it.

Our GPU supplier has recently made the P102-100 GPU available to us so this is what we will be offering going forwards as the cost benefit of P102 vs P104 is favourable.

So in approximately 4 weeks we'll be running a batch sale for an initial batch of 120 x 16-GPU mining systems with these specs:

SKU: Ethereal Capital P102-100-X16
GPU: 16x NVIDIA P102-100 5GB GDDR5X RAM
Ethereum / Ethash Hash Rate: 800 MH/s @ 4100W (+/- 2.5%) (note estimate from manufacturer specs, TBC by actual benchmarking)
Zcash / Equihash Hash Rate: 11,000 Solutions/s @ 4500W (+/- 2.5%) (note estimate from manufacturer specs, TBC by actual benchmarking)
Monero / Cryptonote Hash Rate: 12,800 H/s @ 2400W  (+/- 2.5%) (note estimate from manufacturer specs, TBC by actual benchmarking)
CPU: Intel Pentium Processor D1508, Single socket FCBGA 1667, 2 Core, 4 Threads, 25W
RAM: 4GB DDR4 UDIMM (expandable to 128 GB DDR4 ECC RDIMM)
Storage: 16GB flash storage (expandable via 6 x SATA3 ports and 1 x M.2 PCI-E 3.0 x4)
Backplane: Supports up to 16x PCI-E GPU's at up to 300W TDP each
Network: 2x 10G Ethernet Ports
Remote Management: 1x Dedicated 1G Ethernet Port, IPMI 2.0 with virtual media over LAN and KVM-over-LAN support
Power Supply: Either 4 x 1400W or 5 x 1200W Delta Power Supplies in N+1 redundant configuration (TBC)
Cooling: 6x 4500 RPM 120x120x38mm Delta fans with PWM speed control
OS: EthOS
Display Output: VGA
Dimensions (L x W x H): 750mm x 550mm x 200mm x 20kg (approximately)

Using hybrids isn’t smart, too expensive, radiators are a pain to place and you don’t need them.
My first rigs used evga FTW3 non hybrid. I have since switched to blower cards. Just picked up 4 MSI aero oc card for $779 each.

I am tired of deleting these and arguing with you.

You are pulling the thread off topic.

It is nice you found 4 msi aero cards  at $779   but 4 cards simply  are not the same as 16.

A 16 card rig with p102-100  is for a large mine.


Note my title  industrial style miner  not mid sized miner.

[philipma1957]

Pretty much exactly to my point earlier. A P102-100 is just a modifed 1080ti. its only effective of course if the price is significantly lower than current 1080tis (so well under $850/card).  Your EThash numbers look excellent, but everything else...meh. EQHash numbers seem really low. I expect a 1080ti to get well over 750sols/card and with the right tweaking 780+. That rig should be doing 12 ksol+
And why pay for 2x10gbe ports? total overkill.

We are currently in the process of designing our sheet metal chassis and then integrating our multiple power supply solution into it.

Our GPU supplier has recently made the P102-100 GPU available to us so this is what we will be offering going forwards as the cost benefit of P102 vs P104 is favourable.

So in approximately 4 weeks we'll be running a batch sale for an initial batch of 120 x 16-GPU mining systems with these specs:

SKU: Ethereal Capital P102-100-X16
GPU: 16x NVIDIA P102-100 5GB GDDR5X RAM
Ethereum / Ethash Hash Rate: 800 MH/s @ 4100W (+/- 2.5%) (note estimate from manufacturer specs, TBC by actual benchmarking)
Zcash / Equihash Hash Rate: 11,000 Solutions/s @ 4500W (+/- 2.5%) (note estimate from manufacturer specs, TBC by actual benchmarking)
Monero / Cryptonote Hash Rate: 12,800 H/s @ 2400W  (+/- 2.5%) (note estimate from manufacturer specs, TBC by actual benchmarking)
CPU: Intel Pentium Processor D1508, Single socket FCBGA 1667, 2 Core, 4 Threads, 25W
RAM: 4GB DDR4 UDIMM (expandable to 128 GB DDR4 ECC RDIMM)
Storage: 16GB flash storage (expandable via 6 x SATA3 ports and 1 x M.2 PCI-E 3.0 x4)
Backplane: Supports up to 16x PCI-E GPU's at up to 300W TDP each
Network: 2x 10G Ethernet Ports
Remote Management: 1x Dedicated 1G Ethernet Port, IPMI 2.0 with virtual media over LAN and KVM-over-LAN support
Power Supply: Either 4 x 1400W or 5 x 1200W Delta Power Supplies in N+1 redundant configuration (TBC)
Cooling: 6x 4500 RPM 120x120x38mm Delta fans with PWM speed control
OS: EthOS
Display Output: VGA
Dimensions (L x W x H): 750mm x 550mm x 200mm x 20kg (approximately)

Running cards at 110%  is a method  I don't do.
But  if you build a 7 card rig and run at 110%  you will  get your higher numbers.

Your first criticism was based on the cards being only  1060 equals.

your next criticism is based on the newer bigger cards not hashing high enough as compared to your hybrid cards  which are now over 900 usd not 850

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=11G-P4-6598-KR  they are now 909 plus shipping


I would rather have a pair of six card  evga hybrids rigs  set to  200 watts  each rig would be about 6 x 750 = 4500 sols 2 rigs would be 9000 sols

they would pull  around 1300 watts each. Or 2600 watts total.

 The problem is  I can not get those cards.   and even if I do get them 12 cards are 10908 usd plus shipping

I am also a mid sized miner.  Not a large scale guy.  The rigs in this are more for a big scale op.  easy to deploy and not a lot of tweaking.

Are you better off with your setup then buying this  it sounds like you are.

Is a guy looking to buy 50 of these and dropping them into a warehouse  better off with this setup then your setup  I think so.


For me I may get a few of the larger rigs for the solar array.  I won't be running it in my garage  as it will be too hot and loud compared to this model I am testing for them.

The  p106-100  can run in your garage  and you can have  them set to do 80 watts a card.
In a properly setup  warehouse/data center you can set them to do 100-110 watts a card.  


I really like the form factor for these cards  spotswood's frames are nice.  I would love to see the final design of the p102-100 models.  wrapped in sheet metal around the aluminum.  

30-31 inches wide  16 inches deep  11 inches high.  using the rack below will do 5 rigs or 80 cards at 200 watts each and 700 sols each is 56000 sols  and maybe 19000 watts

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Trinity-36-inch-NSF-Chrome-Wire-Shelving-Rack/401461185388?

[TheYankeesWin!]

So you have a spotswood for hybrid's   and you put 7 hybrids  and 1 zotac mini.  The build is on youtube  that  frame is the same size as this frame.

If I recall  you used a corsair psu with  1500 watt  and you pull 1375 watts at the wall doing 5200 or 5300 sols.

Forgetting that  you were taxing the psu  if you had five of them  on this rack  you would do 26000 to 26500 sols and 6875 watts.
It would be efficient since you set the cards to 150 watts so as not to kill off the psu.

But density wise it would be less then 1/2 the hashpower

[philipma1957]

@ yankees

with the current atx psu's  those spotswood builds  are best with  only six cards  set to 200 watts  the rig pulls 1275 watts  against the 1500 watt corsair psu.  It does 4300 sols.

So the rack would have 5 rigs  with 30 hybrids or

5 x 4300 = 21500 sols

5 x 1275 watts = 6375 watts.


And the newer 16 gpu with  p102-100

on the same rack may do

5 x 11200 = 56000 sols
5 x   3800 =  19000 watts

This would be great density.
Hot and loud but  a ton of fire power.

At the moment all in blue is not tested .  But does show the potential of large hashpower in a small spot.

The solar array buysolar and I use  could run  that rack  for 'free'  that is it's power cap  for this time of the year.

I do like these  for future  solar arrays.  if we do an array  that does  40000 watts  24/7/365  we only need this shed
that would allow 2 racks  10 units  112,000 sols 38000 watts

[TheYankeesWin!]

Looks like phil is spot on  the good gaming cards  are being priced  too high now.

I have 2 of these  and they are about just as good as the  evga hybrid's  I paid 803  each shipped to my house.


https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Graphiccards/Hydro-GFX-GTX-1080-Ti-Liquid-Cooled-Graphics-Card/p/CB-9060011-WW


They are now 999.99  plus shipping and sold out.

I also have 2 of these


https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=11G-P4-6698-KR

I paid 849  each plus  26 to ship

They are now 939 plus shipping

Or buy a bundle  for 1169

https://www.evga.com/products/featured-bundles.aspx  plus shipping and get a mobo you dont need.


The p102-100 starts to look better at 700  a piece  which means a 16 gpu unit from kjs  may be good.

[qwertyking]

Im just wondering what is the price of P102-100

[philipma1957]

Im just wondering what is the price of P102-100

I have seen the p102-100  available in bulk buys for 700 a card.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2674194.msg32071657#msg32071657


So this model  would have 16 x 700 = 11,200 for the cards alone.
add in 4 psu's
a frame/case 
a stick of ram
the mobo with built in cpu
the bridge to the 16 slot pcie board
the 16 slot pcie board
the ethos os
the usb stick
many fans
labor
profit for the seller

and we are talking $$$


but  if I use  the evga hybrids  they are more then 900 a card actually more then 1000
and the corsair are 999 plus shipping

so that is 14 x 1000 = 14000   14 hybrids or corsair
and 2 x 850             =   1700   2 zotac 1080ti minis
 
2 mobos    =     350 if I use  onda b250
2 psus       =     900 if I use corsair ax1500i
2 frames    =     230 if I use spotswood
2x the ram =     160 if I use 8gb crucial
2x cpus      =     400 if I use i5 7400
2x usb sticks =     20 if i use samsung 32gb

cost is 17760  for 2 x 8 card rigs  that I can not max  since the corsair psu is a bit too weak  so I do 10000 sols at 2600-2800 watts 

pros quiet setup
cons I push the corsair ax1500i very hard
cons I can't get those waterblock cards


or I get the p102-100 16 card rig

it does  11,200 sols
it is loud
it uses  3500 watts
I think  the build  costs less then  17,760 (I guess this I don't know)

[philipma1957]

Using hybrids isn’t smart, too expensive, radiators are a pain to place and you don’t need them.
My first rigs used evga FTW3 non hybrid. I have since switched to blower cards. Just picked up 4 MSI aero oc card for $779 each.

I am tired of deleting these and arguing with you.

You are pulling the thread off topic.

It is nice you found 4 msi aero cards  at $779   but 4 cards simply  are not the same as 16.

A 16 card rig with p102-100  is for a large mine.


Note my title  industrial style miner  not mid sized miner.

[iTzShowTime]

start mining those masternode neoscrypt coin's then setup node with coins