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September 26, 2013, 02:19:12 PM
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Saying everyone can choose the validators that they like best is a misleading claim. If you don't choose OpenCoin in your UNL, you will not get the same transactions as any other ripple user. This point is elaborated in more detail in RippleScam.org
This is completely wrong and you would see that if you would actually run a rippled.

To convert XRP to BTC one actually just needs to use the Bitstamp bridge - just send money to a BTC address from within the official client and it will automatically trade on the Ripple market and send it on the Blockchain for you. I do not know if Bitstamp will stop this in the future for AML reasons, though there is the chance that others might provide similar services.
If you don't have ripple UNLs (direct or indirect) you will get different ledgers.

When did I talk about Ripple bridges? Also keep in mind bitstamp is hard coded in the ripple web client.
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September 26, 2013, 02:42:00 PM
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Is any trick in it ?

Here it is:

as soon as they can figure out our config files Cheesy

I'm digging thru the code trying to get what it is about. It will take a lot of time to get understanding of the sources without a good manual. Is there any btw?
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September 26, 2013, 02:47:44 PM
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 We also have a bounty program for critical bugs.


Congrats overall and this is great news especially.
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September 26, 2013, 02:49:09 PM
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I'm digging thru the code trying to get what it is about. It will take a lot of time to get understanding of the sources without a good manual. Is there any btw?

Unfortunately there is no definitive "programmer's manual" that explains the operation of the program, but if you post in the Ripple Development forum with your question I will do my best to try to answer.


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September 26, 2013, 02:51:05 PM
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Wow. Reading this thread was like watching Gladiator.  Trade just tore right through them.  Thanks for the morning coffee entertainment.

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September 26, 2013, 02:51:48 PM
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I'm digging thru the code trying to get what it is about. It will take a lot of time to get understanding of the sources without a good manual. Is there any btw?

Unfortunately there is no definitive "programmer's manual" that explains the operation of the program, but if you post in the Ripple Development forum with your question I will do my best to try to answer.

For comparison, Satoshi included a Genesis block generator in the code with comments.
Wow. Reading this thread was like watching Gladiator.  Trade just tore right through them.  Thanks for the morning coffee entertainment.

You're welcome, those with logical thinking capacities have quite different reactions to Ripple compared to the "get rich quick, pump and dump" folks.
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September 26, 2013, 02:54:18 PM
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I'm digging thru the code trying to get what it is about. It will take a lot of time to get understanding of the sources without a good manual. Is there any btw?

Unfortunately there is no definitive "programmer's manual" that explains the operation of the program, but if you post in the Ripple Development forum with your question I will do my best to try to answer.

Satoshi included a Genesis block generator in the code with comments. Why is this not the case here? Afraid of competition that will distribute XRPs fairly?

Your arguments are worst and worst... Opencoin team is still waiting you on www.ripple.com/forum to answer all your questions... It seems you don't want to ask there because your lies would be exposed.
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September 26, 2013, 02:57:07 PM
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I'm digging thru the code trying to get what it is about. It will take a lot of time to get understanding of the sources without a good manual. Is there any btw?

Unfortunately there is no definitive "programmer's manual" that explains the operation of the program, but if you post in the Ripple Development forum with your question I will do my best to try to answer.


Thank you.
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September 26, 2013, 03:00:39 PM
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Perhaps one of the many Ripple Labs employees who posted in this thread could rebute something I said on RippleScam.org? Their silence is revealing.

Mah87, what is one of the "lies" on RippleScam? It is up to you to prove I am lying, not the other way around. This is basic stuff.

Also, remember when I corrected Joel Katz on Ripple?
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September 26, 2013, 03:03:06 PM
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I think we're going to see a lot of old posts and websites getting updated with retractions regarding "Ripple is not open source" now. Especially since they are liable for slander (libel?) otherwise.



This is the stupidest shit I have read this week and its Thursday.

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September 26, 2013, 03:03:20 PM
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The bridge comment was in response to shakezola.

Of course you'll have at least an indirect connection to opencoin, as they ran the main ledger until now. If you put only third party nodes there, you'll still end up on the main one, just like with bitcoin where everyone ends up on satoshi's chain.

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September 26, 2013, 03:08:09 PM
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The bridge comment was in response to shakezola.

Of course you'll have at least an indirect connection to opencoin, as they ran the main ledger until now. If you put only third party nodes there, you'll still end up on the main one, just like with bitcoin where everyone ends up on satoshi's chain.
No. If you only put third party ones in, and the third party ones do not add OpenCoin, you will end up with a diff ledger when someone tries a double spend - broadcasting one to Open coin and one to your 3rd party validators.
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September 26, 2013, 03:09:11 PM
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Can't wait for someone to fork it, get rid of XRP (and make it something cheap to mine, like namecoins; it only needs to be an anti-spam), and have it truly community operated!

Collect bounty to speed this up.
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September 26, 2013, 03:10:09 PM
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Nooo, this is never going to happen. They open sourced their server just to scum you, my dear anarcho-libertarian shitheads!  Grin

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September 26, 2013, 03:16:00 PM
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nice. Now lets see a fork with a better idea than 100% pre mined. I would be interested in that.

There is no mining or premining in ripple network. I don't understand why people still don't get it.

For sure some ideas will emerged from the work OpenCoin have done but going as far as OpenCoin is with seems difficult...

nono. anyone can try.  that's the reason the code is open source.

Of course. But i'm curious to see those people claiming things better than ripple will appear in no time ...

They just believe in Harry Potter with a magic wand.

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September 26, 2013, 03:18:35 PM
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Can't wait for someone to fork it, get rid of XRP (and make it something cheap to mine, like namecoins; it only needs to be an anti-spam), and have it truly community operated!
You'd need to remove the UNL aspects too to make it decentralized. Mining can work without high orphans and a 10s/ledger system - each PoW hit entitles you to the next ledger updates until another PoW hit for example which are not tied to ledger updates, with the reward distributed among the next ledgers to disincentize stalling.

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September 26, 2013, 03:54:58 PM
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Talk is cheap show me the code. Ripple delivered, your move.

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September 26, 2013, 04:33:51 PM
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Nice to see some steps in the right direction with Open Sourcing and with the name change.

However

Despite that though I still have an instinctive aversion to the concept of chains of trust and passing around debts. Bitcoins are something I get, it is sound money. Ripple is something that I just don't get the idea is confusing and even if the ripple devs have good intentions, I can't get past feeling that the idea can be used for nefarious aims.
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September 26, 2013, 05:19:15 PM
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Glad to see they delivered.

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September 26, 2013, 07:04:32 PM
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No. If you only put third party ones in, and the third party ones do not add OpenCoin, you will end up with a diff ledger when someone tries a double spend - broadcasting one to Open coin and one to your 3rd party validators.

You can easily test this yourself - just run e.g. a handful of independent servers, put their NodeIDs in each UNL and require a quorum of 3/5 on each. You will not be able to double-spend at all and also won't see any double-spend attempts, you will end on a fully forked ledger with 100 billion unspent XRP in the genesis account. Any double-spend attempts towards your or mainline ledgers will fail, as you have a completely different XRP and trust distribution in your ledgers, meaning your 5 servers will regard every transaction on mainline Ripple as being fake and on the other hand any transaction that is valid on your fork is seen as invalid on mainline Ripple.

This is just like starting Bitcoin with a different genesis block or after a hard fork. Transactions on one block chain will be viewed as completely fake from the other part of the fork and vice versa.

Just as the consensus in Bitcoin is: The main chain is the one starting from Satoshi's genesis block AND has the checkpoints which are embedded in bitcoin-qt (as there might be somebody else starting from Satoshi's block), it is the same in Ripple where the main ledger chain is the one started in Dec. 2012. Of course in both cases it is trivial to start an alternate reality - calling it "centralized" because of this is a bit much in my opinion though, as this would apply to Bitcoin in the same way for example...

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