Drawbacks of Merit System

[mikyadel]

Hey Everyone ,


firstly , i know that there are many other threads about merit points between supporter and opponent . i know moderators have implemented this system to raise quality of posts but is it the right way to do it ?!!

For example , some people just post simple replies to threads (including me) regarding rating portfolios , opinion about some coins , advantages & disadvantages , coins with potential , under radar ,.... etc .
  - Does that mean it's not quality posts !!

  i saw many hero&legendary members have posts to give people merit points depending on quality of their posts , what i noticed is that they looking for Flawless ones like a a whole comparison of privacy coins with details of their technology , anything less than this isn't considered a quality post for them !

 this is a community where people ask for advice and share info and not every reply have to be complicated to get a merit point , as long it convey member point of view , it's good .

Another point , low rank members have very low numbers of Smerit to give like i have only 5 points ! , i keep seeing good reply but can't decide whether it's qualified for point or not as if i gave him just 1 point , it's 1/5 of my total points !  . that way it gets really had to get enough points to rank up .

Finally , not all users here are Native-speakers ( i'm one of them ) their posts might not be as good as a native one , although some might see it as a low quality but i real they just have a tough time expressing their opinions . and local sections aren't active only very few languages you can say it's live .

 people are already abusing points and there are some posts about that issue . i like this system but it needs some modifications to make this forum HEALTHY AND FAIR TO EVERYONE .

[Foxpup]

For example , some people just post simple replies to threads (including me) regarding rating portfolios , opinion about some coins , advantages & disadvantages , coins with potential , under radar ,.... etc .

  - Does that mean it's not quality posts !!

Yes, that does means they're not quality posts. (I assume that's a question, and that the incorrect punctuation is due to your poor English, which I'll forgive.)

i saw many hero&legendary members have posts to give people merit points depending on quality of their posts , what i noticed is that they looking for Flawless ones like a a whole comparison of privacy coins with details of their technology , anything less than this isn't considered a quality post for them !

As you yourself point out, we only have a limited amount of merit to give. Even we Legendary users simply don't have enough sMerits to give them to merely average posts. Only exceptional posts will receive merit.

as long it convey member point of view , it's good .

No, it isn't. There is a saying in English: "Opinions are like arseholes: everyone's got one and they all stink." Meaning, nobody cares about your point of view. Unless you have some new information or insight, nobody will be interested in what you have to say. Posts that merely convey one's point of view without adding anything substantial to the conversation do not deserve and will not receive merit.

[DarkStar_]

this is a community where people ask for advice and share info and not every reply have to be complicated to get a merit point , as long it convey member point of view , it's good .

Okay, go to the why some people don't believe in bitcoin? thread, go to the 235th page, and spend your remaining 4 sMerits there. Because they share that person's point of view, even if it's identical to the point of view of probably hundreds of others that have posted in the thread, it's good, right?

I'm assuming the point of this post is to complain that you're not getting merit - but look at your posts! All of them (except for this one) are one liners that don't really contribute. Sorry that I'm not sorry about your inability to rank up with this new system.

[mikyadel]

Yes, that does means they're not quality posts. (I assume that's a question, and that the incorrect punctuation is due to your poor English, which I'll forgive.)

As you yourself point out, we only have a limited amount of merit to give. Even we Legendary users simply don't have enough sMerits to give them to merely average posts. Only exceptional posts will receive merit.

No, it isn't. There is a saying in English: "Opinions are like arseholes: everyone's got one and they all stink." Meaning, nobody cares about your point of view. Unless you have some new information or insight, nobody will be interested in what you have to say. Posts that merely convey one's point of view without adding anything substantial to the conversation do not deserve and will not receive merit.

i don't know why using such language , and thanks for forgiving me on my Bad English .
people themselves asks for opinions , take a tour and you will see yourself . it's a part of the community . i don't have to put exclusive information on every reply and what's old for you, maybe is new for someone else .

[mikyadel]

Okay, go to the why some people don't believe in bitcoin? thread, go to the 235th page, and spend your remaining 4 sMerits there. Because they share that person's point of view, even if it's identical to the point of view of probably hundreds of others that have posted in the thread, it's good, right?

I'm assuming the point of this post is to complain that you're not getting merit - but look at your posts! All of them (except for this one) are one liners that don't really contribute. Sorry that I'm not sorry about your inability to rank up with this new system.

 sorry , next time i post a new reply it would be a whole article of 3000 words comply with New York times magazine .
 and how exactly are you contributing to community ??

- replying to every merit thread to tell people they are useless and their posts are shit .
- managing your own bounty thread with one to 2 words replies .
- working as an escrow in lending section .

what a wonderful info you share with us my friend .

[topkhai]

Hey Everyone ,


firstly , i know that there are many other threads about merit points between supporter and opponent . i know moderators have implemented this system to raise quality of posts but is it the right way to do it ?!!

For example , some people just post simple replies to threads (including me) regarding rating portfolios , opinion about some coins , advantages & disadvantages , coins with potential , under radar ,.... etc .

Does that mean it's not quality posts !!

i saw many hero&legendary members have posts to give people merit points depending on quality of their posts , what i noticed is that they looking for Flawless ones like a a whole comparison of privacy coins with details of their technology , anything less than this isn't considered a quality post for them !

this is a community where people ask for advice and share info and not every reply have to be complicated to get a merit point , as long it convey member point of view , it's good .

same with you, i see here so many pros and cons about merit system
"is it the correct way to improve post quality?"
Yeah, I think the merit system indirectly reduces the spammers
many posts aren't useful before merit points system is created, included me.
Is this what we have to keep up?

for a quality post or not, the assessment of each person is different
only those who can judge, give the best you can do according rules here
like me, is that something new that useful for me?
If yes, I would appreciate it with a "merit" and if not it will pass
I think everyone is so, here we aren't talking about a simple post or a complicated answer but a contribution

Another point , low rank members have very low numbers of Smerit to give like i have only 5 points ! , i keep seeing good reply but can't decide whether it's qualified for point or not as if i gave him just 1 point , it's 1/5 of my total points !  . that way it gets really had to get enough points to rank up .

yeah I agree with you, newbie is very limited to give merit at least they should get 2 merits = x1 sMerit, I think it is the weakness for now
I suggest top rank give the merit min 2 Merit for this system can run well
don't only focus on one good post, leave for the best other posts
>= 20 merits for one post from one member is stupidity

Finally , not all users here are Native-speakers ( i'm one of them ) their posts might not be as good as a native one , although some might see it as a low quality but i real they just have a tough time expressing their opinions . and local sections aren't active only very few languages you can say it's live .

people are already abusing points and there are some posts about that issue . i like this system but it needs some modifications to make this forum HEALTHY AND FAIR TO EVERYONE .[/size]

nothing is perfect, at least we and everyone who is here try for it
if you find frauding here, you can report it, it is your right

[trecore4]

First of all thats big font!

Speaking about your issue this seems to me another complain regarding the merit system. To be honest you don't have to be very strict about it. If someone likes your point of view then you will surely get the merit and there is no need to yell about it. Dont consider yourself ranking up fast, consider yourself the normal guy who is working on the forum for knowledge gaining and sharing at the same time.

The merit and all the things are related to the forum policy now. Just forget about it in the first place and consider that it was there since the time you came here. Just work the normal way and you wont be complaining anymore. If you finding hard to get merits then just ask legends to review your posts and if they are really artful then you will get merited surely. Why to make buzz about it if everything can be sorted out in silence.

Forum is just asking you to write in quality ways which is self improvement as well. 

[iphmpmt]

That means you have to contribute with constructive threads, which can help you to get more merits and sMerits. If you can get merits yourself, you probably dont knowledgeable and proficient enough to verify post of other users before giving your sMerits away. It is something like mutual relationship.

Another point , low rank members have very low numbers of Smerit to give like i have only 5 points ! , i keep seeing good reply but can't decide whether it's qualified for point or not as if i gave him just 1 point , it's 1/5 of my total points !  . that way it gets really had to get enough points to rank up .

It doesn't make sense too. I dont think native English speakers can write more constructive posts than non-native English speakers. It totally depends on your ideas. Bad ideas lead to low-quality posts, good ideas mostly result in high-quality threads (mostly because it also depends on your writing skill to express your good ideas).

Finally , not all users here are Native-speakers ( i'm one of them ) their posts might not be as good as a native one , although some might see it as a low quality but i real they just have a tough time expressing their opinions .

Another thing, if you are really eargerly learnable member in the forum, you will definitely join Meta; Beginners & helps; Bitcoin technical issues boards to get knowledge. And the fact is all of them are discussed in English. That means you have to improve your English skill first.

~and local sections aren't active only very few languages you can say it's live .

[fxstrike]

I don't think only long winding clear and grammatically correct English should be consider quality post.

What makes this forum great is so many people coming here to share their opinion and exchange idea and thought but with their limited English comprehension they only be able to post yes or no, their yes or no do matters and do convey quality message, saying that they should improve their English skill is not fair to them because not all people able to improve their language skill no matter what, they brain works better at solving mathematics for instance over time this forum will be dominated by very fluent English speaker only and probably in the end will shows up the BTC project itself where decentralization of certain aspect of the whole project will be concentrated to certain language speaker only.


BTC project started as open project and welcome all kind of participant in order to be able to benefit and decentralized it to as many people as possible, BTC maintain its minimal restriction to entry and this forum should also follow the same philosophy

[Jet Cash]

A good post is one that doesn't have oversized print to make it hard to read. Hopefully the merit system will reduce such posts.

[dungp3132]

A good post is one that doesn't have oversized print to make it hard to read. Hopefully the merit system will reduce such posts.

You're right. Another recent trend from merit-hunters is try to make effects for their posts, including holding, highlighting, etc. I don't think those intended effects can help them get merits. Dominant factors which decide quality posts are ideas, English writing style (vocabularies and grammar), succinctness, etc.

[FlightyPouch]

I saw many hero&legendary members have posts to give people merit points depending on quality of their posts , what i noticed is that they looking for Flawless ones like a a whole comparison of privacy coins with details of their technology , anything less than this isn't considered a quality post for them !

If you will be tracking the merits given by these members, you will not see not all of them are like that. Every members has their own point of view what is a quality post and what is not.

Another point, low rank members have very low numbers of Smerit to give like i have only 5 points ! , i keep seeing good reply but can't decide whether it's qualified for point or not as if i gave him just 1 point , it's 1/5 of my total points !  . that way it gets really had to get enough points to rank up .

Giving some sMerits does't mean that you will reduce you're merits. Please read the post of theymos again.

not all users here are Native-speakers ( i'm one of them ) their posts might not be as good as a native one , although some might see it as a low quality but i real they just have a tough time expressing their opinions . and local sections aren't active only very few languages you can say it's live .

The reason most of the members that do not speak English fluently needs to stick in their Local boards than making low quality posts outside their local thread.

people are already abusing points and there are some posts about that issue . i like this system but it needs some modifications to make this forum HEALTHY AND FAIR TO EVERYONE .[/size]

I've been saying this a lot of times but please, if you know someone who are abusing the system, report them to the people that can give them their deserved punishment.

[DarkStar_]

sorry , next time i post a new reply it would be a whole article of 3000 words comply with New York times magazine .

Okay, I'm looking forward to your 3000 word article reply. I just hope it's not 3000 words in the why some people don't believe in bitcoin? where you mention all of the points previously mentioned until you reach 3000 words, as length does not equal quality.

and how exactly are you contributing to community ??

I don't see how my contributions relate to your inability to write posts that gain merit points. Either way, I'm contributing by making good posts, helping people out in Technical Support, and sharing my opinion with points that weren't previously mentioned. My most merited post was merit data from 503 Altcoin Bounty Hunters. But again, this isn't related to me.

I'm also distributing merits to others with good posts, as I am a merit source.

- replying to every merit thread to tell people they are useless and their posts are shit .

This is the first merit thread were I said that the OP wasn't getting merits because their posts weren't good, I believe. I encourage you to find a few more examples of this from me, and I'll even throw a few merit points your way if you can find 5 instances. (5 is fair in my mind, because there's been at least 20 complaints I think)

- managing your own bounty thread with one to 2 words replies .

And? I don't expect to receive merit for posts where I say "Accepted", "Denied", etc. You are expecting to get merits for poor posts.

- working as an escrow in lending section .

And?

what a wonderful info you share with us my friend .

Thank you  

[mikyadel]

A good post is one that doesn't have oversized print to make it hard to read. Hopefully the merit system will reduce such posts.

You're right. Another recent trend from merit-hunters is try to make effects for their posts, including holding, highlighting, etc. I don't think those intended effects can help them get merits. Dominant factors which decide quality posts are ideas, English writing style (vocabularies and grammar), succinctness, etc.

i changed font as it's more easy for me to read in that font than normal one , i did't know that is inconvenient to other members . my bad

bottom line i didn't make that post to complain , i said it needs some "Modifications"

[FlightyPouch]

i changed font as it's more easy for me to read in that font than normal one

You should keep this in you mind whenever you are posting in this forum or any other forum, you do not post because you will be the only one reading it. The reason you are posting here that means you are sharing some information and opinion that will be read by a lot of members of this forum.

bottom line i didn't make that post to complain , i said it needs some "Modifications"

I don't think so, how about this lines?

I know that there are many other threads about merit points between supporter and opponent . i know moderators have implemented this system to raise quality of posts but is it the right way to do it ?!!

For example , some people just post simple replies to threads (including me) regarding rating portfolios , opinion about some coins , advantages & disadvantages , coins with potential , under radar ,.... etc .
Does that mean it's not quality posts !!

i saw many hero&legendary members have posts to give people merit points depending on quality of their posts , what i noticed is that they looking for Flawless ones like a a whole comparison of privacy coins with details of their technology anything less than this isn't considered a quality post for them

this is a community where people ask for advice and share info and not every reply have to be complicated to get a merit point , as long it convey member point of view , it's good .

low rank members have very low numbers of Smerit to give like i have only 5 points ! , i keep seeing good reply but can't decide whether it's qualified for point or not as if i gave him just 1 point , it's 1/5 of my total points !  . that way it gets really had to get enough points to rank up .

I think these lines count as complains.

[LoyceV]

i don't know why using such language , and thanks for forgiving me on my Bad English .

I wouldn't classify your English as "totally bad", I can read it without being annoyed. So your English wouldn't be the reason I won't give you Merit.

people themselves asks for opinions , take a tour and you will see yourself . it's a part of the community

You're missing the point: if the person asking for your "opinion" is only doing so to increase his own post count, it doesn't matter what you answer. He doesn't care, and nobody else cares about that thread.

For example , some people just post simple replies to threads (including me) regarding rating portfolios , opinion about some coins , advantages & disadvantages , coins with potential , under radar ,.... etc .

Giving Merit means I recommend others to read that post. There are millions of posts where people "share their opinion", and most of them aren't worth reading.

One other tip: if you spend less time on colors, and more time on starting sentences with a Capital, your text looks better already. This has nothing to do with bad English, just press the Shift button.

[mikyadel]

I wouldn't classify your English as "totally bad", I can read it without being annoyed. So your English wouldn't be the reason I won't give you Merit.

You're missing the point: if the person asking for your "opinion" is only doing so to increase his own post count, it doesn't matter what you answer. He doesn't care, and nobody else cares about that thread.

Giving Merit means I recommend others to read that post. There are millions of posts where people "share their opinion", and most of them aren't worth reading.

One other tip: if you spend less time on colors, and more time on starting sentences with a Capital, your text looks better already. This has nothing to do with bad English, just press the Shift button.

first of all , thanks for expressing your opinion in a nice way . secondly, i wasn't only talking about my english but in general for all non-native speakers .
i didn't know that people asking for opinions is to just increase post count ,However , i myself get to know some coins that i didn't know from threads like this and it made me profit from investing in them .
colors was only to separate the post into points .

[seoincorporation]

I feel we are losing the whole point. Merits have become the most mentioned topic on the forum from the past weeks. Something is happening, people feel frustrated. Now, I understand merit system and why it was implemented. I totally agree with the initial point, and the idea, but, as we all see, this is not going too well, for we all are losing too much time on answering that kind of topics about merit system.
Instead of perpetuating this situation, I suggest: it is time to be propositive.
What kind of publications deserves merit? This is completely personal. This week I've sent more than 12 merits in total. Most of them were opinions which I agree with, and I felt refreshed just by reading them. So I gave merits based on my personal feelings. Thatś the way it works, for we are now surrounded by complaints and it feels refreshing just to read something new and propositive.
Nevertheless, I can't just close my eyes to the merit-system-problem, for this is growing each day.
Of course, most of the complainers are people we don't really want to be here. But there are others making some good points.
 Now: I propose. Maybe the time has come for we to create some kind of "MeritContest". For instance, we can choose a topic, an important one and "hot". Or a problem with a really difficult solution. The point is: encourage those who really want to research to do their best and create good content for the forum. Maybe it is worthy somehow, for it will motivate useful people.
I don't know, share your thoughts.

[darthmaul]

Not again !

All you have to do is just go ahead and talk straight. If you gonna circle your answer then I am sure it will never get merits. There are serious balls who actually like reading and give merits to quality poster. So wait for your turn and you better be qualitative.

[ObscurePen]

First of all, the merit system was designed to clean spam from this this forum. You can't create a spam free forum without limiting the quality of posts. Your posts, for the record do not look good enough to gain any merits. Moreover,. If you are here to ask questions and gain advice then why do you need a fully ranked legendary account? Just use this account. The merit system doesn't prevent you from making posts. I am completely happy with my account at the moment. I don't require a legendary account to continue using this forum. If you want to get merits, you most definitely need to improve your post quality.