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[cdnbcguy]

How do you verify nation of residence? 

They probably use IP - they filter out TOR and vpns - I can't get on due to my VPN for example...

NICE site from the video...

[Staring Owl]

It's an old thread but very interesting and i just spend like 2 hours to read it all very carefully.
I can't resist to ask, why you should be doing the US government job and police it's citizens? You are not based in US, you don't host in US, you basically don't use US currency (except it's called dollars formally in the games but you use BTC to cash in/cash out). Why you are policing for them? Shouldn't they control their citizens and punish THEM not you if they violate the law? After all there are 100+ countries, you can't be responsible for all their laws.
You should care for the laws in the countries where you are based physically and where you host (and maybe where your domain is registered?). I understand you are US citizens and have plans for business in US, but the company is CR, so your citizenship shouldn't matter, since it's companies responsibility not personal one, right? And about the possible ventures in US, ok I kinda feel you here but still, i'm kinda pissed that US laws are taken for worldwide laws nowadays.
Yeah I know they will send drones to bomb and kill your kids if you don't play by their rules but the new world order is not here yet, we have many countries and US laws are not global...yet.


p.s.
just needed to vent a little, but still discussion in that point would be nice as well
Congrats on the great casino, over one year later, how is it doing?

[ssaCEO]

Of course, I agree we shouldn't have to police their citizens for them... however. In terms of online gambling, American law does not make a distinction between dollars or other currencies, or even non-currency items of value. Even if Bitcoin is in no way a currency, if it can be exchanged for something of value and an American can wager it online, that's illegal gambling. It doesn't matter what the thing of value is - it could be gold or baseball cards, or Linden $. This is why Second Life had to shut down all the in-world casinos.

your citizenship shouldn't matter, since it's companies responsibility not personal one, right?

This is not quite correct. The US has a history of directly prosecuting the owners and operators of online casinos that have taken US players, even if those operators are not US citizens and the company is based outside the US. They started this by arresting the chairman of SportingBet when his plane touched down in New York:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/08/technology/08iht-gamble.2743111.html?_r=0

This goes up to the present day with the indictment of Calvin Ayre, a Canadian citizen:
http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/news/story/2012/02/29/bodog-calvin-ayre-indicted.html

And there is at least one story of a US citizen being pulled off a domestic Australian flight that was code shared with American Airlines, and flown to the US for connections with an online casino that was taking US players.

It's just not worth the risk to accept American bets - even if it is only Bitcoin. However,

US laws are not global...yet.

This is of course true, which is why we welcome players from outside the US!

[Staring Owl]

good points

I see that bodog was actually sending checks to winners in US (Maryland) which is pretty clear indication that they don't care to keep the law.
But if you pay in bitcoins you don't know where the receiver is. The only thing left is IP checking, but with proxies, vpns and so on that's technologically hard to achieve and not sure if reliable.

So what i'm asking myself, sending check with gambling winnings to someone in US might be clearly interpereted like intentional breaking of the law. But if you lack the technological setup to online ID everyone of your visitors are you still as responsible?

[ssaCEO]

So what i'm asking myself, sending check with gambling winnings to someone in US might be clearly interpereted like intentional breaking of the law. But if you lack the technological setup to online ID everyone of your visitors are you still as responsible?

It's a very good question. But law is a funny thing. Imagine trying to convince a judge and jury that you had the ability to set up an online casino with a cryptocurrency, but didn't have the ability to check IP addresses. I think the question that the US Government would ask would be: Did you take all reasonable steps within your power to prevent breaking the law? And for us it's important that we have.