So, people are irrational and can't take care of themselves through freetrade...

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Murray Rothbard does a fine job of explaining it, so I'll let him:

"No one may threaten or commit violence ('aggress') against another man's person or property. Violence may be employed only against the man who commits such violence; that is, only defensively against the aggressive violence of another. In short, no violence may be employed against a nonaggressor. Here is the fundamental rule from which can be deduced the entire corpus of libertarian theory."

If that ain't consistent, I don't know what is.

Absolutely ridiculous. There is a large enough percentage of humans who will gravitate towards those who seem to be gathering power.

Tell me, in your "fantasy-world", why do you think that everyone will abide by that law?

[myrkul]

Murray Rothbard does a fine job of explaining it, so I'll let him:

"No one may threaten or commit violence ('aggress') against another man's person or property. Violence may be employed only against the man who commits such violence; that is, only defensively against the aggressive violence of another. In short, no violence may be employed against a nonaggressor. Here is the fundamental rule from which can be deduced the entire corpus of libertarian theory."

If that ain't consistent, I don't know what is.

Absolutely ridiculous. There is a large enough percentage of humans who will gravitate towards those who seem to be gathering power.

Tell me, in your "fantasy-world", why do you think that everyone will abide by that law?

Because those that do not will:
a) pay restitution to those who they have harmed (Financial incentive)
b) be ostracized (social, and to a lesser extent, financial incentive) or
c) be killed in the commission of an aggressive act.

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Tell me, in your "fantasy-world", why do you think that everyone will abide by that law?

Because those that do not will:
a) pay restitution to those who they have harmed (Financial incentive)
b) be ostracized (social, and to a lesser extent, financial incentive) or
c) be killed in the commission of an aggressive act.

What makes you think those will be the laws? Communities gather like minded individuals, and perhaps the community you live in will slowly evolve into a pirate enclave, for all you know.

Keep dreaming about your "fantasy-world". You could write a fictional book about your ideal society, and most people would stop reading it halfway through because it does not realistically model human behavior. It would have the feel of a naive writer creating fiction to masquerade as his propaganda for an implausible society.

[NghtRppr]

perhaps the community you live in will slowly evolve into a pirate enclave

Clearly, you're the one living in a fantasy.

Why are the statists on these forums such clowns? Oh that's right, because it's an ideology for idiots and/or cowards.

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perhaps the community you live in will slowly evolve into a pirate enclave

Clearly, you're the one living in a fantasy.

Why are the statists on these forums such clowns? Oh that's right, because it's an ideology for idiots and/or cowards.

Somalia.

[myrkul]

Keep dreaming about your "fantasy-world". You could write a fictional book about your ideal society, and most people would stop reading it halfway through because it does not realistically model human behavior. It would have the feel of a naive writer creating fiction to masquerade as his propaganda for an implausible society.

Fictional books HAVE been written about such a society, and while they're not exactly best sellers, not small potatoes, either.

In fact, if you'd like, a whole chunk of such fiction has been made into comics, most of which you can read online free-of-cost at http://www.bigheadpress.com/

I highly recommend Escape From Terra. Newbies to libertarian thought should definitely start at the start, but you can jump in at the start of any storyline.

[NghtRppr]

perhaps the community you live in will slowly evolve into a pirate enclave

Clearly, you're the one living in a fantasy.

Why are the statists on these forums such clowns? Oh that's right, because it's an ideology for idiots and/or cowards.

Somalia.

Idiots and/or cowards.

[opticbit]

How about a decentralized system of Law and Government? p2pgov?

It's called Anarcho-capitalism.

I tried to get a wiki started to do this and get people to adopt and work on it, Some people pointed me to the An-Cap wiki, before, I'm still learning. Some people pointed out what I was getting wrong and I changed some things.  Many thought i was trying to be too controlling, but anyone is welcome to change fix it, and no one else has contributed, other than the spam bots that have caused me to lock the main page.  Some of the people here on the bitcoin forums suggested we don't need a government of any kind at all and that businesses can take care of all the needs that a government does.  So I changed the basics of the idea to a business that handles government types of services, and allows taxes

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In fact, if you'd like, a whole chunk of such fiction has been made into comics, most of which you can read online free-of-cost at http://www.bigheadpress.com/

I highly recommend Escape From Terra. Newbies to libertarian thought should definitely start at the start, but you can jump in at the start of any storyline.

And how is this not a fantasy-world?

[myrkul]

So I changed the basics of the idea to a business that handles government types of services, and allows taxes

Taxes? A business that handles government type services and taxes people... is a government.

[myrkul]

In fact, if you'd like, a whole chunk of such fiction has been made into comics, most of which you can read online free-of-cost at http://www.bigheadpress.com/

I highly recommend Escape From Terra. Newbies to libertarian thought should definitely start at the start, but you can jump in at the start of any storyline.

And how is this not a fantasy-world?

The technical term is Science-Fiction. You know, the field of writing that was once the sole domain of moon landings, rocket ships, cell phones, communication satellites, extra-solar planets...

Besides, you specifically said that no one would read it. People do.

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The technical term is Science-Fiction.

You are mincing words.

[myrkul]

The technical term is Science-Fiction.

You are mincing words.

You are dodging the point. The point was that Science fiction has included, even in some cases, introduced, concepts and technologies which we now consider commonplace.

Again, you said that people would not read it. People do.

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Again, you said that people would not read it. People do.

I never said any such thing. I stated that people would not read your hypothetical book, as a way of demonstrating how your arguments do not adequately capture the way human societies come into being, and evolve. Furthermore, regarding the examples you have given, consider the audience who is reading such material. Hint: look in the mirror.

[myrkul]

Again, you said that people would not read it. People do.

I never said any such thing. I stated that people would not read your hypothetical book, as a way of demonstrating how your arguments do not adequately capture the way human societies come into being, and evolve. Furthermore, regarding the examples you have given, consider the audience who is reading such material. Hint: look in the mirror.

Now who's mincing words? Tell you what... Read the first storyline, If it's crap, I'll give you double your money back.

[the joint]

...so how the hell is democracy going to work if they aren't rational enough to choose good leaders?

Gotta love the bell curve.  You will find 'average' decisions being made most frequently.

[NghtRppr]

If people are smart enough to govern each other then they are smart enough to govern themselves.