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September 27, 2013, 05:36:17 PM
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Hi,

I just noticed that next to my name someone has lowered my trust.  I'm not sure why this is or who has done it.  The main thing I can say is that I've never bought or sold any bitcoins on here so I don't understand what basis anyone might have for lowering my trust.

Can I see who lowered my trust in order to confront them and ask why?

Can I appeal this to someone to investigate in case it was just some troll?

Likewise, at worst case, can I retaliate and lower this persons trust as a last measure?

Thanks!
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September 27, 2013, 05:48:45 PM
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Of course, there is. Send a pm to TF and sort that out with him. Wink

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September 27, 2013, 07:41:52 PM
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Of course, there is. Send a pm to TF and sort that out with him. Wink

Thanks for the suggestion.  I tried to send the following message but I just see 'tradefortress has blocked your message'.  I guess the best I can do is make my complaint public.  I did a retribution 'lower his trust' but I don't think it's very effective as he seems to be a very plugged in and active trader whereas I've never traded a single bitcent.  In anycase, the 'trade with extreme caution' is embarrassing but I guess there's nothing I can do.

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Why are you attacking me?

When have I ever spammed anything?

When have I ever defrauded anything?

Do I know you?

What is your motivation in 'lowering my trust'?  I don't think it affects me as I don't buy or sell bitcoin on this forum, but I'd like to know why you are going after me.  Aren't you some sorta bitcoin mogul?  What in the world do we have to do with each other and when have we even met?

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September 27, 2013, 07:56:19 PM
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Just discovered that his complaint about me says he risked 1.5BTC.  This is an out and out lie.  I have never had any trade deals with tradefortress and I challenge him to produce the slightest evidence that we ever had any deal.  I cannot understand why he is lying about me in this way.

FWIW, I can show on the blockchain that I only own about 1.1BTC and that most of that came from Dragon's Tale casino and sealswithclubs.

Wish I could do something to erase or challenge this attack on my integrity.  Is there no moderation system for this sort of thing?
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September 27, 2013, 08:05:32 PM
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Tradefortress' comment was "spammer, defrauded coinchat". Were you using coinchat in the last few months? If so, what were you doing on it?

Just discovered that his complaint about me says he risked 1.5BTC.  This is an out and out lie.  I have never had any trade deals with tradefortress and I challenge him to produce the slightest evidence that we ever had any deal.  I cannot understand why he is lying about me in this way.

FWIW, I can show on the blockchain that I only own about 1.1BTC and that most of that came from Dragon's Tale casino and sealswithclubs.

Wish I could do something to erase or challenge this attack on my integrity.  Is there no moderation system for this sort of thing?

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Risked BTC amount is money that the person could have stolen or did steal. For example, if you do a currency trade where the other person sends first, your feedback for them would have 0 risked BTC and their feedback for you would have risked BTC equal to the BTC value of the trade.

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September 27, 2013, 08:24:46 PM
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FWIW, I can show on the blockchain that I only own about 1.1BTC and that most of that came from Dragon's Tale casino and sealswithclubs.

You could always own another 20 BTC in an address you wouldn't reveal.
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September 27, 2013, 08:25:44 PM
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Of course, there is. Send a pm to TF and sort that out with him. Wink

TF has disabled PM for ALL USERS on the forum.  You can only contact him via email or on coinchat.

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September 27, 2013, 09:24:18 PM
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Of course, there is. Send a pm to TF and sort that out with him. Wink

TF has disabled PM for ALL USERS on the forum.  You can only contact him via email or on coinchat.

Well that explains a small part of my complaint.  I guess I'm just shocked that someone would accuse me of spamming and defrauding and not be available for discussion.
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September 27, 2013, 09:26:24 PM
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FWIW, I can show on the blockchain that I only own about 1.1BTC and that most of that came from Dragon's Tale casino and sealswithclubs.

You could always own another 20 BTC in an address you wouldn't reveal.

Sure I guess that's true.   However, I'd really like for tradefortress to show *me* the addresses that he ostensibly sent 1.5 BTC to.  That's real missing piece here.  A guy shows up and says he "risked 1.5BTC" on me but isn't around to reply to questions like "huh?"  "what?"  "when?"  "where?".

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September 27, 2013, 09:39:14 PM
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Tradefortress' comment was "spammer, defrauded coinchat". Were you using coinchat in the last few months? If so, what were you doing on it?

I used it a few months ago.  I didn't realize until now that 'tradefortress' is 'admin' from coinchat.  So at least this explains part of the puzzle.

I *did* use coinchat a few months ago and I was banned by "admin".  We exchanged some emails in which I asked him what I had done to be banned and I didn't ever get a detailed response.  He said I owed him 0.2BTC if I wanted to be reinstated on coinchat.  I asked him several times where he came up with that number and what I had done wrong.  Each time, however, he just replied tersely about some sort of fraud and paying him back.

The best guess I have at what he was angry about is that I was experimenting with robots on his site using the api the he published (and I as I understood it) he encouraged us to use.  I enjoyed coinchat and I learned a lot about node.js while I was experimenting there.  I was sad to get kicked off because I had a lot of fun chatting there and gambling on the various robots.   What I can't understand is how a site that gives money for chatting is going to cry 'fraud'  when I took money for chatting.  I mean, the site gave me money and I cashed it out using the site's system.  How on earth is that fraudulent?  Another thing I can't understand is how the 0.2 he asked me for (and I'm still not sure where he got that number) has now inflated to 1.5BTC.

Just discovered that his complaint about me says he risked 1.5BTC.  This is an out and out lie.  I have never had any trade deals with tradefortress and I challenge him to produce the slightest evidence that we ever had any deal.  I cannot understand why he is lying about me in this way.

FWIW, I can show on the blockchain that I only own about 1.1BTC and that most of that came from Dragon's Tale casino and sealswithclubs.

Wish I could do something to erase or challenge this attack on my integrity.  Is there no moderation system for this sort of thing?

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Risked BTC amount is money that the person could have stolen or did steal. For example, if you do a currency trade where the other person sends first, your feedback for them would have 0 risked BTC and their feedback for you would have risked BTC equal to the BTC value of the trade.

So, according to this, I still can't see how tradefortress has 'risked' a single btcent on me.  We've had no exchanges on this forum.  We've entered into no currency trade agreement.  This seems like a blatant abuse of a little guy by some angry, poweful bitcoin mogul.  I really feel like I'm getting pushed around by this guy and I wish there was something I could do about it other than try to change my username.
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September 28, 2013, 12:51:01 AM
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I *did* use coinchat a few months ago and I was banned by "admin".  We exchanged some emails in which I asked him what I had done to be banned and I didn't ever get a detailed response.  He said I owed him 0.2BTC if I wanted to be reinstated on coinchat.  I asked him several times where he came up with that number and what I had done wrong.  Each time, however, he just replied tersely about some sort of fraud and paying him back.

The best guess I have at what he was angry about is that I was experimenting with robots on his site using the api the he published (and I as I understood it) he encouraged us to use.  I enjoyed coinchat and I learned a lot about node.js while I was experimenting there.  I was sad to get kicked off because I had a lot of fun chatting there and gambling on the various robots.   What I can't understand is how a site that gives money for chatting is going to cry 'fraud'  when I took money for chatting.  I mean, the site gave me money and I cashed it out using the site's system.  How on earth is that fraudulent?  Another thing I can't understand is how the 0.2 he asked me for (and I'm still not sure where he got that number) has now inflated to 1.5BTC.
Tradefortress is probably mad because you made a bot that was spamming to get rewards. I believe there was a reward program based on how many lines you typed. This is speculation of course. If you can disclose the emails from Tradefortress (publicly or privately), I can get a better picture.

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Hi tspacepilot aka wikib0t aka testycat aka newman aka manny on Coinchat,

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The best guess I have at what he was angry about is that I was experimenting with robots on his site using the api the he published (and I as I understood it) he encouraged us to use.  I enjoyed coinchat and I learned a lot about node.js while I was experimenting there.  I was sad to get kicked off because I had a lot of fun chatting there and gambling on the various robots.   What I can't understand is how a site that gives money for chatting is going to cry 'fraud'  when I took money for chatting.  I mean, the site gave me money and I cashed it out using the site's system.  How on earth is that fraudulent?  Another thing I can't understand is how the 0.2 he asked me for (and I'm still not sure where he got that number) has now inflated to 1.5BTC.

Excuse the language but bullshit. You were using a bot to send automated messages on coinchat and reaping the rewards fraudulently. You know that is against the rules. Nobody with any intelligence will think it is OK to run a bot to spam coinchat and get rewards. Bots are not allowed to earn rewards, bot accounts must have the name b0t in them and you've tried wikib0t. You've also said you "reviewed the rules" through email on Aug 30 and then tried wikib0t.

I have zero interest in wasting time with spammers who try to lawyer their way out.

If an ATM gives you money you shouldn't have got, legally you're in the wrong.
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Hi tspacepilot aka wikib0t aka testycat aka newman aka manny on Coinchat,

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The best guess I have at what he was angry about is that I was experimenting with robots on his site using the api the he published (and I as I understood it) he encouraged us to use.  I enjoyed coinchat and I learned a lot about node.js while I was experimenting there.  I was sad to get kicked off because I had a lot of fun chatting there and gambling on the various robots.   What I can't understand is how a site that gives money for chatting is going to cry 'fraud'  when I took money for chatting.  I mean, the site gave me money and I cashed it out using the site's system.  How on earth is that fraudulent?  Another thing I can't understand is how the 0.2 he asked me for (and I'm still not sure where he got that number) has now inflated to 1.5BTC.

Excuse the language but bullshit. You were using a bot to send automated messages on coinchat and reaping the rewards fraudulently. Bots are not allowed to earn rewards, bot accounts must have the name b0t in them and you've tried wikib0t. You've also said you "reviewed the rules" through email on Aug 30 and then tried wikib0t.

I have zero interest in wasting time with spammers who try to lawyer their way out.

If an ATM gives you money you shouldn't have got, legally you're in the wrong.

what I would like to know is how you linked those account names on coinchat  to this username on bitcointalk  

was it with his ip address ?

I know you have used an exploit in the past to access the forum admin panel ....

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September 28, 2013, 01:39:35 AM
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What do you know, my speculation was right! Tongue

what I would like to know is how you linked those account names on coinchat  to this username on bitcointalk  
Hi tspacepilot aka wikib0t aka testycat aka newman aka manny on Coinchat,
He didn't link those names to any bitcointalk account names. Quit jumping to conclusions.

I know you have used an exploit in the past to access the forum admin panel ....
Red herring  Roll Eyes

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September 28, 2013, 01:43:40 AM
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what I would like to know is how you linked those account names on coinchat  to this username on bitcointalk  
He didn't link those names to any bitcointalk account names. Quit jumping to conclusions.
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I know you have used an exploit in the past to access the forum admin panel ....
Red herring  Roll Eyes

looks like you have tradefortreses back

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looks like you have tradefortreses back
Looks like you don't like tradefortreses very much

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September 28, 2013, 01:48:20 AM
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zack....watch yourself. i'd hate to see altcointalk suddenly vanish again... not a threat. don't get me wrong tradefortress has clearly tipped his hand once again, but it is foolish to involve yourself in his affairs unless you have something present on himl.

My negative trust rating is reflective of a personal vendetta by someone on default trust.
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September 28, 2013, 01:48:51 AM
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looks like you have tradefortreses back
Looks like you don't like tradefortreses very much

looks like more and more people are seeing through the charade.

My negative trust rating is reflective of a personal vendetta by someone on default trust.
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zack....watch yourself. i'd hate to see altcointalk suddenly vanish again... not a threat. don't get me wrong tradefortress has clearly tipped his hand once again, but it is foolish to involve yourself in his affairs unless you have something present on himl.

altcointalk has been as good as dead since it was scrambled last time

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what I would like to know is how you linked those account names on coinchat  to this username on bitcointalk  

was it with his ip address ?

I know you have used an exploit in the past to access the forum admin panel ....

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I *did* use coinchat a few months ago and I was banned by "admin".  We exchanged some emails in which I asked him what I had done to be banned and I didn't ever get a detailed response.

Here you go.

@tspacepilot: I've updated my feedback to 0.503 BTC risked which is the amount you've withdrew from coinchat. I'm happy to remove my trust rating once you repay the coins you fraudulently withdrew.
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