Merits all over the meta

[jerick06]

Why majority of the post here is about merits??  I know that this category discusses about the forum but ALMOST the topics posted is about merits. Is this now the merit discussion? Repeating topics should be deleted or merge

[Mevz]

Meta section is the discussion of the Bitcoin forum.. so don't be surprise why. This community haven't yet move on on this new implemented system. Some members are just posting about merit because of possibilities of receiving merits. Merit sources are always standby here to read topics. So there is a big chance of your posts can be appreciated by some source. But now its been crowded so many repeated topics in merit in the past few weeks. I think the moderators are tired of deleting those spams.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Yes. I find it tiring. Too many posts about merit. That tells me this new system is good for the forum. Too many spammers pissed off about it and some of them trying to cheat the system, but overall it serves to improve the forum without being a too drastic measure.

[digaran]

Sticky or a child board. merit should stay and not be experimental. lol I have no obligations, no responsibilities, yet I'm frustrated and annoyed, when I find a topic to post in, by the time I have finished the post I could see a few pages of new posts in 20-30 minutes were submitted.
After a few months, we'll know that, merit is not enough. it has improved the overall situation, but not enough. taxes are making up 45% of my country's income. people are posting here with 5-50 accounts as full time job. they don't care if what they're doing could put them out of their jobs.

Two solutions, removing signatures globally, or charging a fee per post for anybody with paid or unpaid signatures.

[alisafidel58]

Why majority of the post here is about merits??

Its because users are having trouble to increase their rank, with the new system being a requirement for ranking an account which most users here in this are here for the sole purpose of joining the signature campaign. It hurts users with mass accounts cheating signature and bounty campaign for money.

Two solutions, removing signatures globally, or charging a fee per post for anybody with paid or unpaid signatures.

Removing signature globally will kill this forum from having visitors. We all know that having signature campaign is the one the brings traffic to this forum unlike other crypto relative forum. Without enough traffic advertiser wont waste money to put ads here which is necessary to pay all the bills for maintaining the forum.

[TheQuin]

After a few months, we'll know that, merit is not enough. it has improved the overall situation, but not enough. taxes are making up 45% of my country's income. people are posting here with 5-50 accounts as full time job. they don't care if what they're doing could put them out of their jobs.

Two solutions, removing signatures globally, or charging a fee per post for anybody with paid or unpaid signatures.

A lot of those alt accounts are getting caught and tagged all the time. Before the merit system that was just a minor inconvenience to them as they just farmed more accounts. Now that's going to become very difficult for them. We've already seen a small improvement and I'm of the opinion in a few months we'll see a lot more. Let's give it a bit more of a chance before rushing into making further changes.

[tranthidung]

Merit-tittled topics are abundant in Meta board because it is really hot. It's also due to the fact that lots of users affected by merit system. That is a good signal about potential successfulness of the system. Many users in the forum have to change to adapt to new system, hence they will be better members as main purpose of merit system launched by admin.

On the other hand, this is also an endemic in Meta board. Lots of newcomers or low-ranked users tried creating spamming topics related to merit issues in order to catch attention and hope to earn merits. Unfortunately, they failed because no one send their rare sMerits to spam, non-sense, repeated topics.

Another explanation for the phenomenon is this one is a new tactic/ strategy from account farmers to adapt to merit system. They use new-account to create a merit-related topic timewise questions, then main account joins and ask for more clarifications. Next step, alt-accounts join and give interesting ideas. Over threads, they give merits to each other. It is likely a perfect strategy for account/ merit farmers to avoid radars in the forum. Those guys use my suggested strategy are so smart, adaptable

Newcomers should use search function of the forum, and Google to find answers for their question before creating new topics.

[iqlimasyadiqa]

After a few months, we'll know that, merit is not enough. it has improved the overall situation, but not enough. taxes are making up 45% of my country's income. people are posting here with 5-50 accounts as full time job. they don't care if what they're doing could put them out of their jobs.

Two solutions, removing signatures globally, or charging a fee per post for anybody with paid or unpaid signatures.

A lot of those alt accounts are getting caught and tagged all the time. Before the merit system that was just a minor inconvenience to them as they just farmed more accounts. Now that's going to become very difficult for them. We've already seen a small improvement and I'm of the opinion in a few months we'll see a lot more. Let's give it a bit more of a chance before rushing into making further changes.

Improvements that have been evident, now people who have many alt accounts will be sad and they only focus on the main account they have. The proof is now a lot of action to sell accounts and it is a form of pretation of spammers who previously had alt accounts. the discussion of merit has been the main topic for the past month, this is a form of curiosity many people have about the knowledge of merit system. Overall we have been able to see this forum become much better than before and we will be able to contribute significantly to improve the quality of BTT forum by eliminating many spammers and scammers. That is a much better progress than other similar forums.

[criz2fer]

Meta section is the discussion of the Bitcoin forum.. so don't be surprise why. This community haven't yet move on on this new implemented system. Some members are just posting about merit because of possibilities of receiving merits. Merit sources are always standby here to read topics. So there is a big chance of your posts can be appreciated by some source. But now its been crowded so many repeated topics in merit in the past few weeks. I think the moderators are tired of deleting those spams.

Merit farming are inevitable specially for newbies and jr members. We could help our mods by reporting redundant topics which could help this section or we can make the other way around, teach them to have a better post for their own improovements.

[Kim Ji Won]

Yes. I find it tiring. Too many posts about merit. That tells me this new system is good for the forum. Too many spammers pissed off about it and some of them trying to cheat the system, but overall it serves to improve the forum without being a too drastic measure.

Those spammers that are pissed off about this new implemented system adds up to those people who are creating the same thread about merits over and over again.

Why majority of the post here is about merits??  I know that this category discusses about the forum but ALMOST the topics posted is about merits. Is this now the merit discussion? Repeating topics should be deleted or merge

The merit system just got implemented recently and a lot of low ranking members are taken aback by this system so they are throwing tantrums about it because they can't farm accounts anymore and it will be hard for them to rank up because they are shit posters in nature. lol

[hilariousetc]

Why majority of the post here is about merits??  I know that this category discusses about the forum but ALMOST the topics posted is about merits. Is this now the merit discussion?

Because it's a very new system and people are both confused and annoyed by it. You could say the same thing about ranks/activity and there was plenty of crying from users here when the signature restrictions were first implemented. People will get over it. I really can't wait for the hysterical crying if signature campaigns ever get banned. Can you imagine in?

taxes are making up 45% of my country's income. people are posting here with 5-50 accounts as full time job. they don't care if what they're doing could put them out of their jobs.

I see quite a few people from the Philippines and Indonesia claim bitcoin is good because they don't have to pay taxes on it (lol) and it just goes to show you both the ignorance and naivety of a lot of them but they're in for a shock when the government comes knocking on the door when they find out the level of evasion that is going on via this board and other bitcoin avenues. Good luck when they try go get a house or car or any other substantial purchase and they finally have to explain where all this untaxed money came from.

Removing signature globally will kill this forum from having visitors. We all know that having signature campaign is the one the brings traffic to this forum unlike other crypto relative forum. Without enough traffic advertiser wont waste money to put ads here which is necessary to pay all the bills for maintaining the forum.

No it wouldn't despite how much you want to believe this and theymos has already stated that if the Merit system doesn't work then disabling signatures would likely be the next step. It would kill shitposters for sure as they would disappear en mass like a fart in the wind but this forum was fine before signature campaigns were here as are all the other forums on the net that don't have campaigns which is 99.999999 of them. People would still advertise here and the forum would likely take in even more money because the majority of advertising money is lost to signature campaigns already. 

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Removing signature globally will kill this forum from having visitors.

No it wouldn't despite how much you want to believe this...

Nobody knows for sure what would happen in that case, but I think it is very likely that forum traffic would decrease and that it would go somewhere else, like Roger Ver’s forum.

Some traffic would remain here for sure but I’m far away from thinking the overall result would be wonderful, and I also think if Theymos hasn't taken that measure yet it is because he thinks something similar, otherwise he would have taken it a long time ago.

[hilariousetc]

Removing signature globally will kill this forum from having visitors.

No it wouldn't despite how much you want to believe this...

Nobody knows for sure what would happen in that case, but I think it is very likely that forum traffic would decrease and that it would go somewhere else, like Roger Ver’s forum.

Some traffic would remain here for sure but I’m far away from thinking the overall result would be wonderful, and I also think if Theymos hasn't taken that measure yet it is because he thinks something similar, otherwise he would have taken it a long time ago.

Of course traffic would decrease hugely and people would flock to the next best thing but it wouldn't kill the forum. The forum will still be here and it will quickly turn into a utopia compared to what it is now. There's plenty of posters here who don't have or ever intend to join a signature campaign and in fact many of the best posters don't have a paid signature at all (DannyHamilton etc). I'm sure theymos has taken into consideration the huge effect banning signatures would have on the forum but he has also stated signatures will likely be the next to go in the merit system fails so for those thinking they'll never go I wouldn't get too cocky.

[digaran]

Why majority of the post here is about merits??

Its because users are having trouble to increase their rank, with the new system being a requirement for ranking an account which most users here in this are here for the sole purpose of joining the signature campaign. It hurts users with mass accounts cheating signature and bounty campaign for money.

Two solutions, removing signatures globally, or charging a fee per post for anybody with paid or unpaid signatures.

Removing signature globally will kill this forum from having visitors. We all know that having signature campaign is the one the brings traffic to this forum unlike other crypto relative forum. Without enough traffic advertiser wont waste money to put ads here which is necessary to pay all the bills for maintaining the forum.

Forum doesn't need money or traffic, this place used to be the one place, where all the Core and other developers used to be active, people were coming here, because they needed to discuss Bitcoin with the experts. signature campaigns were using that to advertise. now there are only the people posting with signatures for the money, devs are not here anymore, and the few still around are busy with young camgirls.

[btc-facebook]

Well between we as the poster and the forum owner make a good symbiosis , they have advantage over each other !
With merit even make difficult for newbie account to reach Legendary but the fact is people still interest on forum. That's a good revenue for forum.

I can't imagine if they disable all signature over all section.

[alisafidel58]

Forum doesn't need money or traffic,

Are you certain about this? Wonder how did this forum survive without any traffic at all nor the money from advertisement?

now there are only the people posting with signatures for the money,

Agreed, looks like your part of it.

[TheQuin]

Forum doesn't need money or traffic,

Are you certain about this? Wonder how did this forum survive without any traffic at all nor the money from advertisement?

Have a look here https://bitcointalk.org/donate.html and then add up how much the forum has taken in donations.

[tmt226]

Have a look here https://bitcointalk.org/donate.html and then add up how much the forum has taken in donations.

I have seen Ognasty in the list (donated 10 BTC). Unbelievable!

[hilariousetc]

Forum doesn't need money or traffic

Without any traffic at all this forum or any other would be dead and every forum or website needs money to run unless you can find free hosting, but this money isn't wholly dependant on sig spammer traffic. Whilst the board would take a huge hit in traffic it would do fine without it as do every other forum on the net. I'm sure many people would also donate if money was needed especially if the board wasn't populated with poor quality sign spam. As for how much the revenue and traffic would drop we will only know if it ever happens.

[alisafidel58]

Forum doesn't need money or traffic,

Are you certain about this? Wonder how did this forum survive without any traffic at all nor the money from advertisement?

Have a look here https://bitcointalk.org/donate.html and then add up how much the forum has taken in donations.

I think those donation were made years ago and the last time it was update is back in april 2017, were bitcoin price was much lower compared to what it is now.

To sum it up hilariousetc answered the question.

Without any traffic at all this forum or any other would be dead and every forum or website needs money to run