Opinion on the US

[Ecurb123]

a lot of good people living under a dangerous government. The world would be a lot better place if the US government didn't exist.

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[Mike Christ]

a lot of good people living under a dangerous government. The world would be a lot better place if the US government didn't exist.

The same tune has been sung for every empire in history   If it's not the US, it's somebody else.

[Ecurb123]

a lot of good people living under a dangerous government. The world would be a lot better place if the US government didn't exist.

The same tune has been sung for every empire in history   If it's not the US, it's somebody else.

Yes it's true, there is always the worst.

[tvbcof]

a lot of good people living under a dangerous government. The world would be a lot better place if the US government didn't exist.

The same tune has been sung for every empire in history   If it's not the US, it's somebody else.

Yes it's true, there is always the worst.

I'm not often a vocal defender of my country (the US), but I do suspect that the world could do worse when it comes to having a hegemon.

Alas, we are rapidly sinking deeper and deeper into depravity (e.g., double-tap drone strikes, sarin false-flags, and the list goes on.)  I do expect that the rest of the world will at some point decide that they need to coordinate and act together against us in the best interest of their own future.  At least if we remain a somewhat multi-polar world with respect to governance.

[NewLiberty]

I'm not often a vocal defender of my country (the US), but I do suspect that the world could do worse when it comes to having a hegemon.

Good point.
Which one can we get to be the next hegemon?  The UK is still tired from the last time.
Its often been said that the job of a leader is to decide and take the blame.

China is looking like they might want the job, maybe we could let them wear the tall hat for a while? 
Its not as fun as most folks imagine.

The Saud royalty would probably go for it if given the chance.  Who else is in the running?

[Ekaros]

The worst thing about it is having to foot the bill for every illegal alien / welfare family in the country.

What's next?

Don't you love thy neighbour? Don't you wish to do them what you wish to be done to you?

[AndrewWilliams]

The worst thing about it is having to foot the bill for every illegal alien / welfare family in the country.

What's next?

Don't you love thy neighbour? Don't you wish to do them what you wish to be done to you?

Who brought troll over to this thread? Thought you were busy bashing Christianity in the other one?

Bible is very clear laws are to be obeyed. Breaking the law and expecting free healthcare is not expected.

[Vod]

The worst thing about it is having to foot the bill for every illegal alien / welfare family in the country.

What's next?

Don't you love thy neighbour? Don't you wish to do them what you wish to be done to you?

Who brought troll over to this thread? Thought you were busy bashing Christianity in the other one?

Bible is very clear laws are to be obeyed. Breaking the law and expecting free healthcare is not expected.

Why are you bringing the bible up here, troll?  Thought you were busy bashing reason in the other thread?

[AndrewWilliams]

Why are you bringing the bible up here, troll?  Thought you were busy bashing reason in the other thread?

You know, right now dank makes more sense than you.


You should seek some professional help, stat.

[Ekaros]

The worst thing about it is having to foot the bill for every illegal alien / welfare family in the country.

What's next?

Don't you love thy neighbour? Don't you wish to do them what you wish to be done to you?

Who brought troll over to this thread? Thought you were busy bashing Christianity in the other one?

Bible is very clear laws are to be obeyed. Breaking the law and expecting free healthcare is not expected.

So USA is it against the bible as it used terrorism to separate from Britain.

[Vod]

You know, right now dank makes more sense than you.

I believe you.  It takes a nut job to understand a nut job.

[AndrewWilliams]

If ignorance is bliss, you must be in heaven!

[Biomech]

a lot of good people living under a dangerous government. The world would be a lot better place if the US government didn't exist.

The same tune has been sung for every empire in history   If it's not the US, it's somebody else.

What I see as different (the only "American Exceptionalism" that I subscribe to) is that past empires didn't hide that they were empires. Most embraced it as a righteous cause (it's not, but that's not the point), and even those that didn't, didn't pretend to be something else.

The United States of America, LLC. pretends that it isn't an empire. Even teaches it in schools to the point that the youth buy it, often for a lifetime.

Yet every action they take is aimed at expanding both territorially and legally into the lives of everyone. They even use the language of empire, such as "nation building" and "expanding our influence" and similar things, but haven't the courage to admit what they are. Or rather, they are more into lying than telling the truth. I'm not sure which it is, but I suspect the latter. In my time in american politics, I found that most politicians would prefer a stolen dime to an honestly gained dollar.

[Biomech]

I'm not often a vocal defender of my country (the US), but I do suspect that the world could do worse when it comes to having a hegemon.

Good point.
Which one can we get to be the next hegemon?  The UK is still tired from the last time.
Its often been said that the job of a leader is to decide and take the blame.

China is looking like they might want the job, maybe we could let them wear the tall hat for a while? 
Its not as fun as most folks imagine.

The Saud royalty would probably go for it if given the chance.  Who else is in the running?

I'll do it. Some of you will like the results. I guarantee I won't lie about my Imperial ambitions. And I won't pussy around about conquest either. All of the Americas would be my first goal. Fuck the rest of the world for now. I'll just take the Americas. Once I recall the troops from N. Africa, Central Asia, and the middle east, I'll take Canada. They have high tech, but not a big enough army to withstand me. Then, Mexico. They are numerous and would make good conscripts. I'll march them in front when I conquer the southern resource areas. Once the Americas are consolidated, I'll make a deal with Beijing to split the rest between us.

Oh. And you WILL serve in the armed forces.


















Still think we need another hegemon, people?

(NewLiberty, I know better than to think you would subscribe to the above, but you did pose the question. )

[Biomech]

The worst thing about it is having to foot the bill for every illegal alien / welfare family in the country.

What's next?

Don't you love thy neighbour? Don't you wish to do them what you wish to be done to you?

Who brought troll over to this thread? Thought you were busy bashing Christianity in the other one?

Bible is very clear laws are to be obeyed. Breaking the law and expecting free healthcare is not expected.

Hmm. Based on this, the ENTIRE history of Christianity is at odds with the bible.

Oh.

Wait.

It is.

Otherwise you'd be killing every one... Oh.
Wait.

Your rulers are.

[Mike Christ]

a lot of good people living under a dangerous government. The world would be a lot better place if the US government didn't exist.

The same tune has been sung for every empire in history   If it's not the US, it's somebody else.

What I see as different (the only "American Exceptionalism" that I subscribe to) is that past empires didn't hide that they were empires. Most embraced it as a righteous cause (it's not, but that's not the point), and even those that didn't, didn't pretend to be something else.

The United States of America, LLC. pretends that it isn't an empire. Even teaches it in schools to the point that the youth buy it, often for a lifetime.

Yet every action they take is aimed at expanding both territorially and legally into the lives of everyone. They even use the language of empire, such as "nation building" and "expanding our influence" and similar things, but haven't the courage to admit what they are. Or rather, they are more into lying than telling the truth. I'm not sure which it is, but I suspect the latter. In my time in american politics, I found that most politicians would prefer a stolen dime to an honestly gained dollar.

That's a good point you're making; I didn't learn that America was an empire (nor was I really aware of what empires were at the time) until I'd gotten into my college U.S. Government course, where my professor keyed me in on the fact.  I believe this is intentional; as the methods of ruling become even more deceptive, I'm finding that the reasons why the state must own the schools is specifically to instill this modified version of history; it's best when your cattle are unaware of their ultimate demise, especially when they're so intelligent otherwise and about other things, otherwise they might get to thinking (as folks like you and I have taken to) that their owners don't have their best intentions in mind; ignorance is strength, and there's no force greater than an angry, unknowing nation of 300 million finding anything at all to put their blame into, anything at all but the source of their anger; they're designed not to figure it out, and it so far has been a success.

[Biomech]

a lot of good people living under a dangerous government. The world would be a lot better place if the US government didn't exist.

The same tune has been sung for every empire in history   If it's not the US, it's somebody else.

What I see as different (the only "American Exceptionalism" that I subscribe to) is that past empires didn't hide that they were empires. Most embraced it as a righteous cause (it's not, but that's not the point), and even those that didn't, didn't pretend to be something else.

The United States of America, LLC. pretends that it isn't an empire. Even teaches it in schools to the point that the youth buy it, often for a lifetime.

Yet every action they take is aimed at expanding both territorially and legally into the lives of everyone. They even use the language of empire, such as "nation building" and "expanding our influence" and similar things, but haven't the courage to admit what they are. Or rather, they are more into lying than telling the truth. I'm not sure which it is, but I suspect the latter. In my time in american politics, I found that most politicians would prefer a stolen dime to an honestly gained dollar.

That's a good point you're making; I didn't learn that America was an empire (nor was I really aware of what empires were at the time) until I'd gotten into my college U.S. Government course, where my professor keyed me in on the fact.  I believe this is intentional; as the methods of ruling become even more deceptive, I'm finding that the reasons why the state must own the schools is specifically to instill this modified version of history; it's best when your cattle are unaware of their ultimate demise, especially when they're so intelligent otherwise and about other things, otherwise they might get to thinking (as folks like you and I have taken to) that their owners don't have their best intentions in mind; ignorance is strength, and there's no force greater than an angry, unknowing nation of 300 million finding anything at all to put their blame into, anything at all but the source of their anger; they're designed not to figure it out, and it so far has been a success.

You did better than I did. I was in my thirties before I figured out that practically everything I was taught as US history in school was either whitewashed, misdirected, or just plain fiction. It took becoming seriously involved in the system and seeing it from the inside to realize just how well the system works. This is why I started questioning all "reforms" and "reformers". It eventually led me to the philosophy I espouse today. Anarchism. Not really the traditional anarchism that so many on Youtube and similar venues ascribe to, but the basic definition: No kings. I'll not go into depth about it here, especially since judging by our respective posting histories our views are similar. But what I think that most americans either cannot or do not realize is that the system they are trying to "fix" during the pseudo election cycle isn't broken. It works as designed, as a diversion.

On the subject of the elections, I once used this as an analogy to what voting in an american election really is.

You walk into a small room. On your left is a Beretta 92FS, on your right is a Glock 17. Both excellent weapons, with slightly different characteristics, but the same overall performance. You then choose one of them, point it at your head and pull the trigger.

Which is the lesser evil?

If man is incapable of governing himself, man is incapable of governing others.  Ergo, either anarchism is possible or we are ruled not by mortal men.

I really like this. Is that original?

[NewLiberty]

The worst thing about it is having to foot the bill for every illegal alien / welfare family in the country.

What's next?

Don't you love thy neighbour? Don't you wish to do them what you wish to be done to you?

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free;
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless,
Tempest-tossed to me
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame is the imprisoned lightning,
And her name, Mother of Exiles.
From her beacon-hand glows world-wide welcome;
Her mild eyes command the air-bridged harbor
That twin cities frame.
"Keep, Ancient Lands, your storied pomp!"
Cries she with silent lips.

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free;
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless,
Tempest-tossed to me
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

(  Misery loves company )

[Mike Christ]

You walk into a small room. On your left is a Beretta 92FS, on your right is a Glock 17. Both excellent weapons, with slightly different characteristics, but the same overall performance. You then choose one of them, point it at your head and pull the trigger.

Which is the lesser evil?

This is hilarious   But that effectively sums it up; option 3, being the refusal of self-destruction, will never be found on a ballot.

If man is incapable of governing himself, man is incapable of governing others.  Ergo, either anarchism is possible or we are ruled not by mortal men.

I really like this. Is that original?

I'm glad you like it; it's one of mine   The logic is sound to me now, though it wasn't perhaps a year ago, before I'd begun to really explore philosophy; it reminds me of a quote by Aristotle, "I have gained this by philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law."  He's not my most favorite philosopher, but I believe he makes a valid point: the law doesn't make sense to a person who is unaware of why the law is there to begin with, and so either the unknowing individual should be educated on such matters (schools conveniently leave out philosophy from the core curriculum, so I've noticed), or the individual must be threatened into following the law, but if it's the latter case, why bother with law at all?--it leaves the person out of the function of law-making, which effectively cuts society in two, creating the disparity between the rulers and the ruled.  It delves into this form of lawlessness that we're all too familiar with, the kind Hitler and the Kim Jong lineage have showed us, where the law is so supreme and sacred that it melts away into the tiny portion of people who create it and thus, no longer represents any form of the philosophy, just the passing whims of whichever dictator is in charge at the time.

Anyhow, the way I see it, if one man is intelligent enough to pass law, and most of us are beyond the idea that some men are gods, it should reflect that we're all capable of following and acknowledging commonly agreed upon laws without need for a supreme being to guide us, and yet we're still here, still following man-gods out of fear of the unknown, as though we've made no improvements since ancient Egypt.  Strange times.

[Oldgamer]

a lot of good people living under a dangerous government. The world would be a lot better place if the US government didn't exist.

Thanks to this government you still can say it loud.
Try to do this somewhere in North Korea.