Biomech
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i think governments all across the world do not represent the average citizen.
Add to this, that there aren't average citizens so much as individuals. Each of whom have different ideas. American people are more or less good or bad as everyone else but american government is absolutely bad and I have the worst opinion of them. All they want is profit and power.
As an American, I agree with this statement. Americans are bad because they are electing and supporting their shithead leaders. Also blind patriotism is not a good thing. I can bet you just vote for Obama yourself... And if you did not vote, at least you support his socialist ideas. he probably isn't even an American which makes him ineligible to vote ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) EDIT: Just checked his profile Location: Latvia you have been mistaken ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) just because we actively discuss US problems doesn't mean we're Americans ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) I am an american. Deliberately not capitalised. I did NOT vote for Obama. Nor his "rival". If he had not been deliberately shut out, I would not have voted for Ron Paul either, even though I think he's the closest thing to a good man in politics. When you are given a choice of two pistols to shoot yourself with, the correct answer is "NO!". If you vote, you can't bitch, because you HAVE accepted the clearly illegitimate system as legitimate. As Emma Goldman said, if voting could make a difference, they would outlaw it. I would like to say to the non americans who read this, the Imperial Court in the foreign nation called the District of Columbia does NOT represent America in any meaningful way, other than being our defacto owners. We have about as much choice in their decisions as any slave, but we are given a biannual illusion of participation that doesn't even hold as much realism as a good Hollywood movie. Or a bad one, really. Unfortunately, and I have been all over the country, most americans either turn a blind eye to the system, or, more frequently, feel that there isn't anything they can do about it. I'm not sure what should be done, but shrugging your shoulders and bending your knee isn't the answer. As near as I can tell, the last time that the american people had any real control over their nation was 1788. For damn sure it ended in 1861.
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November 19, 2013, 11:24:47 AM |
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When you are given a choice of two pistols to shoot yourself with, the correct answer is "NO!". If you vote, you can't bitch, because you HAVE accepted the clearly illegitimate system as legitimate. As Emma Goldman said, if voting could make a difference, they would outlaw it. +1 - Totally agreed ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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November 19, 2013, 06:31:01 PM |
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I am an american. Deliberately not capitalised. I did NOT vote for Obama. Nor his "rival". If he had not been deliberately shut out, I would not have voted for Ron Paul either, even though I think he's the closest thing to a good man in politics. ...
I wrote in Elizabeth Warren in the last election. Hopefully I'll have the chance to use a convenient mark in the next one.
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sig spam anywhere and self-moderated threads on the pol&soc board are for losers.
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November 19, 2013, 07:02:50 PM |
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I am an american. Deliberately not capitalised. I did NOT vote for Obama. Nor his "rival". If he had not been deliberately shut out, I would not have voted for Ron Paul either, even though I think he's the closest thing to a good man in politics. ...
I wrote in Elizabeth Warren in the last election. Hopefully I'll have the chance to use a convenient mark in the next one. Satoshi, the write-in candidate for 2016
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November 20, 2013, 06:28:02 PM |
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I am an american. Deliberately not capitalised. I did NOT vote for Obama. Nor his "rival". If he had not been deliberately shut out, I would not have voted for Ron Paul either, even though I think he's the closest thing to a good man in politics. ...
I wrote in Elizabeth Warren in the last election. Hopefully I'll have the chance to use a convenient mark in the next one. Satoshi, the write-in candidate for 2016 Got birth certificate?
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sig spam anywhere and self-moderated threads on the pol&soc board are for losers.
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November 20, 2013, 06:37:46 PM |
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Got birth certificate?
Are those even required anymore?
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November 20, 2013, 08:31:51 PM |
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When you are given a choice of two pistols to shoot yourself with, the correct answer is "NO!". If you vote, you can't bitch, because you HAVE accepted the clearly illegitimate system as legitimate. As Emma Goldman said, if voting could make a difference, they would outlaw it. +1 - Totally agreed ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) not really, that is a total passive way of dealing with problems the correct way would be to forbid offering people to shoot themselves ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) more generally when someone does stuff and you don't like any of the options, change the way it works ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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November 20, 2013, 09:41:58 PM |
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...When you are given a choice of two pistols to shoot yourself with, the correct answer is "NO!". If you vote, you can't bitch, because you HAVE accepted the clearly illegitimate system as legitimate. As Emma Goldman said, if voting could make a difference, they would outlaw it. ... By not making a choice yourself, you're simply letting the guy holding the pistols choose for you. If i understand your analogy correctly, he's not your friend ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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November 20, 2013, 10:58:29 PM |
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if you are given the choice to shoot your self with a choice of two pistols, cut off both of your hands. it will hurt, but it's probably better than dying ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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Biomech
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November 21, 2013, 04:50:13 AM |
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When you are given a choice of two pistols to shoot yourself with, the correct answer is "NO!". If you vote, you can't bitch, because you HAVE accepted the clearly illegitimate system as legitimate. As Emma Goldman said, if voting could make a difference, they would outlaw it. +1 - Totally agreed ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) not really, that is a total passive way of dealing with problems the correct way would be to forbid offering people to shoot themselves ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) more generally when someone does stuff and you don't like any of the options, change the way it works ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) I am trying. It's why I preach what I believe, so that others might take up the banner as well. The principles that the revolution were fought over, most of them, were lost before the nascent country was even 100 years old. So long as the majority are complacent (even if they see the problems, they are unwilling to see alternatives), then it will continue to spiral out of control until it breaks altogether. Then there will likely be a bloodbath, which is what I, and like minded men, are trying to head off. This system has run it's course, and it has failed the people completely. Not the politicians, it's doing quite well by them, but US, the people. Violent revolutions play into the hands of the politicians, but simply withdrawing your consent, one at a time and all over the place, will hurt them more than any number of bullets.
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November 21, 2013, 05:09:37 AM |
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Life is what you make it...no matter the geographical location...USA is ok with me!
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November 21, 2013, 11:50:18 AM |
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A very hostile country with very aggressive foreign policy and a straight up stupid monetary policy which transfers the wealth further to the monopolists. The spying on your allies didn't exactly get you alot of positive PR. The 25+ wars you have started the last 50 years didn't help alot either and your countrys kill count is slowly, but steadily cathing up on Germany in the Hitler era.
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November 21, 2013, 12:01:32 PM |
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A very hostile country with very aggressive foreign policy and a straight up stupid monetary policy which transfers the wealth further to the monopolists. The spying on your allies didn't exactly get you alot of positive PR. The 25+ wars you have started the last 50 years didn't help alot either and your countrys kill count is slowly, but steadily cathing up on Germany in the Hitler era.
Yes, the military industry is out of control. There are more than 40 wars in active conflict right now, around the world. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflictsMost are ethnic / religious, US tends to come along after and take the blame (from both sides) for either being too late, or for getting involved at all. Often both simultaneously. One thing the US is great at, Ranked #1 in blame garnering, people like to hate it. This is one thing that bitcoin, and hard currency in general, tends to help prevent. Even Lincoln couldn't wage war without making a new fiat (greenbacks). Napolean was the exception that proves the rule, and operated within the limits of hard money, but it cost him.
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Biomech
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November 21, 2013, 10:03:34 PM |
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A very hostile country with very aggressive foreign policy and a straight up stupid monetary policy which transfers the wealth further to the monopolists. The spying on your allies didn't exactly get you alot of positive PR. The 25+ wars you have started the last 50 years didn't help alot either and your countrys kill count is slowly, but steadily cathing up on Germany in the Hitler era.
Yes, the military industry is out of control. There are more than 40 wars in active conflict right now, around the world. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflictsMost are ethnic / religious, US tends to come along after and take the blame (from both sides) for either being too late, or for getting involved at all. Often both simultaneously. One thing the US is great at, Ranked #1 in blame garnering, people like to hate it. This is one thing that bitcoin, and hard currency in general, tends to help prevent. Even Lincoln couldn't wage war without making a new fiat (greenbacks). Napolean was the exception that proves the rule, and operated within the limits of hard money, but it cost him. Well put. I'm one of those who blame the USA for getting involved in the first place. It has never worked out well for us, and has often (regardless of intent) prolonged and exacerbated the conflicts. The original foreign policy of the united states worked very well. Be the cheerleaders of liberty, trade with all, and entangling alliances with none. Our nation became the biggest powerhouse in the world via this policy, and has spent the last 114 years dismantling that progress.
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November 22, 2013, 04:21:23 AM |
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The US Gov't. Is always trying to be the "WORLD POLICE" or what have you, but these so called "Guardians of Justice" have gone Megalomaniac as of late. My friends in the EU say that it's pissing the big boys over there off. Ever since Nam in the 60's and korea before that we've being sticking our noses into everyones business. Now the NSA is even ALL THE WAY in everyones business. Citizens, Foreigners, even God's if he didnt have the ALMIGHTY firewall. (Made in China) LOL they own US.
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November 22, 2013, 12:52:20 PM |
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A very hostile country with very aggressive foreign policy and a straight up stupid monetary policy which transfers the wealth further to the monopolists. The spying on your allies didn't exactly get you alot of positive PR. The 25+ wars you have started the last 50 years didn't help alot either and your countrys kill count is slowly, but steadily cathing up on Germany in the Hitler era.
Dear Enemy of Freedom: Which God-forsaken foregny are you from? Please respond with your exact GPS coordinates. Our Hate-Seeking Missiles are gassed up & ready to peace the shit out of you. ~Your American Liberators~
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November 22, 2013, 12:57:56 PM |
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Well put. I'm one of those who blame the USA for getting involved in the first place. It has never worked out well for us, and has often (regardless of intent) prolonged and exacerbated the conflicts.
The original foreign policy of the united states worked very well. Be the cheerleaders of liberty, trade with all, and entangling alliances with none. Our nation became the biggest powerhouse in the world via this policy, and has spent the last 114 years dismantling that progress.
Starting out with a government was the problem. Rather than the rest of the world looking to America, your politicians looked to their counterparts in other countries and said "wouldn't it be great if we could set up a similar type of system here, especially with all the wealth here, imagine the power we could have". Thinking the constitution was more than just a piece of paper was your downfall.
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November 22, 2013, 01:08:10 PM |
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The US Gov't. Is always trying to be the "WORLD POLICE" or what have you, but these so called "Guardians of Justice" have gone Megalomaniac as of late. My friends in the EU say that it's pissing the big boys over there off. Ever since Nam in the 60's and korea before that we've being sticking our noses into everyones business. Now the NSA is even ALL THE WAY in everyones business. Citizens, Foreigners, even God's if he didnt have the ALMIGHTY firewall. (Made in China) LOL they own US.
What else is there left to do? US military has grown so big, than they need to constantly put it to use. They cannot simply disband everyone. Where will those people/equipment go. Work at mcdonalds? There's enough unemployment already. I always considered servicemen in most countries to be a waste of oxygen. I live in Latvia, it's a small country. If invaded by any of our neighbors - our military won't do shit. But it's still there, eating away our tiny budget. What for? Why the hell they buy new tech? If I came to power, one of the first things I would do - make those soldiers into part-time street-sweepers. To get at least some use from them.
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Biomech
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November 22, 2013, 07:02:24 PM |
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Well put. I'm one of those who blame the USA for getting involved in the first place. It has never worked out well for us, and has often (regardless of intent) prolonged and exacerbated the conflicts.
The original foreign policy of the united states worked very well. Be the cheerleaders of liberty, trade with all, and entangling alliances with none. Our nation became the biggest powerhouse in the world via this policy, and has spent the last 114 years dismantling that progress.
Starting out with a government was the problem. Rather than the rest of the world looking to America, your politicians looked to their counterparts in other countries and said "wouldn't it be great if we could set up a similar type of system here, especially with all the wealth here, imagine the power we could have". Thinking the constitution was more than just a piece of paper was your downfall. Not mine. I agree one hundred percent. But it was, prior to the constitution, a good start. The dream didn't die as quickly as the revolution, but by 1791 it had been crucified. By 1899 the good that had been done was fully on the run. By 1913 the parasites were firmly in control of the host. Now we have Rome, only even more corrupt.
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