Adding Merit was the most correct action against spam, let me explain why

[shield132]

Hello guys
As I see some people hates merit, some of them enjoys but usually people don't look further to see more positive sides.
Merit was added because of sig spammers, right? People spam to rank up and join campaign and continue spam.
So currently most campaigns require high rank in order to participate. For newbies it's hard to rank up these days....
Now imagine, for spammers it will take maybe years to become SR member, this is much time and will require nervous + it can become annoying for spammers too. So only good poster newbies will fight for this (at least I think so ).
And you may ask about current high rank members....
We have SMAS list which grows and grows, so current spammers will be included in this list in future.
Now imagine, current lucky merit given spammers will be banned from campaigns + for new users ranking up will be almost impossible without good posts.
What we will get in a result?
Less spammers....
Just wanted to share my opinion....

[FlightyPouch]

As I see some people hates merit, some of them enjoys but usually people don't look further to see more positive sides.

I am not certain if people are enjoying it since there are a lot of members that are not changing despite of the new system, they are just being themselves. But in terms of other members, because of this new system we identify great members that are not really popular before.

For newbies it's hard to rank up these days....

Newbies do not need Merit to rank up to Jr. Member. Please Read. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2766177.0

Now imagine, for spammers it will take maybe years to become SR member

Unless they have some friends that can help them to rank up. Reading this, I think it is great to have a list of members that ranked up, we don't need to include the individual who ranked up to Members but the members that ranked up to Full Member and above. Though, I don't know how will we do this.

We have SMAS list which grows and grows, so current spammers will be included in this list in future.

I think with the new System it will be the opposite. People will start to add some thought to their posts so that will mean that spammers will be decreasing and not increasing..

[hilariousandco]

Merit ruins lives. Do you people have no compassion for shitposters?

#newbielivesmatter

[sirojuddin]

I have not seen the success of this system ...
because the fact that there are still many spamer yg berkeliayaran ...
either because they are less understanding or others

[Don Pedro Dinero]

I have not seen the success of this system ...
because the fact that there are still many spamer yg berkeliayaran ...

The fact that you are not able to see something doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened.

I also think it was a good way to deal with the spam problem. It’s not perfect but it can be improved. Newbies shiptosting one-liners doesn’t work any more:

For newbies it's hard to rank up these days....

Newbies do not need Merit to rank up to Jr. Member. Please Read. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2766177.0

Yes but Junior members can’t wear signatures, so they can’t rank up to a level where they can earn money from campaigns.

[onnz423]

The facts are if a user deserves to rank up, then they will rank up by earning merit. Gaining activity was never a problem as you get 1 for every day of posting, similarly, if you post high quality, informative material, then it is quite possible gain 1 merit+ per day also, making no difference to the amount of time it takes to rank up. The likely case is, it will take longer for people to rank up, but it also ensures that the users in the higher tiers are likely to be of an increasingly high quality due to the filters they have to go through to rank up.

I actually think that certain high ranked users should have been knocked down to a lower level too, just because people were in before the new system was placed doesn't mean that they should continue to stay there. It shouldn't be about who got there first, it should be about who deserves it.

[killyou73]

Hello guys
As I see some people hates merit, some of them enjoys but usually people don't look further to see more positive sides.
Merit was added because of sig spammers, right? People spam to rank up and join campaign and continue spam.
So currently most campaigns require high rank in order to participate. For newbies it's hard to rank up these days....
Now imagine, for spammers it will take maybe years to become SR member, this is much time and will require nervous + it can become annoying for spammers too. So only good poster newbies will fight for this (at least I think so ).
And you may ask about current high rank members....
We have SMAS list which grows and grows, so current spammers will be included in this list in future.
Now imagine, current lucky merit given spammers will be banned from campaigns + for new users ranking up will be almost impossible without good posts.
What we will get in a result?
Less spammers....
Just wanted to share my opinion....

Is English your native language? Did you make this thread to just merit? Why can't you type a full thought out paragraph instead of just combining sentences together

[FlightyPouch]

Yes but Junior members can’t wear signatures, so they can’t rank up to a level where they can earn money from campaigns.

Really? I guess you can check the Services board and see it for yourself.

Oh, and one more thing, there is also bounty campaigns at the Alltcoin Bounty Section where they even accept Newbie in a campaign. They don't even need to rank up to Jr. Member to earn money.

[criz2fer]

Yes but Junior members can’t wear signatures, so they can’t rank up to a level where they can earn money from campaigns.

Really? I guess you can check the Services board and see it for yourself.

Oh, and one more thing, there is also bounty campaigns at the Alltcoin Bounty Section where they even accept Newbie in a campaign. They don't even need to rank up to Jr. Member to earn money.

There are many ways to earn. Just drop by at the bounty section to explore more and earn tokens from social media campaign.

The facts are if a user deserves to rank up, then they will rank up by earning merit. Gaining activity was never a problem as you get 1 for every day of posting, similarly, if you post high quality, informative material, then it is quite possible gain 1 merit+ per day also, making no difference to the amount of time it takes to rank up. The likely case is, it will take longer for people to rank up, but it also ensures that the users in the higher tiers are likely to be of an increasingly high quality due to the filters they have to go through to rank up.

I actually think that certain high ranked users should have been knocked down to a lower level too, just because people were in before the new system was placed doesn't mean that they should continue to stay there. It shouldn't be about who got there first, it should be about who deserves it.

+1 on it. There are high rank spammers that continues their attack. Deserved posters must be leveled by the quality of post. But since merit system are implemented, i think admin will be seeing highrank members with a low merits earner by the end of implementing the merit system until the circulating merits would fade away or decay and putting them into SMAS will be a great idea.

[tekusa]

Hello guys
As I see some people hates merit, some of them enjoys but usually people don't look further to see more positive sides.
Merit was added because of sig spammers, right? People spam to rank up and join campaign and continue spam.
So currently most campaigns require high rank in order to participate. For newbies it's hard to rank up these days....
Now imagine, for spammers it will take maybe years to become SR member, this is much time and will require nervous + it can become annoying for spammers too. So only good poster newbies will fight for this (at least I think so ).
And you may ask about current high rank members....
We have SMAS list which grows and grows, so current spammers will be included in this list in future.
Now imagine, current lucky merit given spammers will be banned from campaigns + for new users ranking up will be almost impossible without good posts.
What we will get in a result?
Less spammers....
Just wanted to share my opinion....

Another thread about the merit system that has nothing unique to add and full of assumptions. We already had SMAS list before the merit system for punishing those spammers and a lot of members were placed there.

Now regarding only genuine members being ready to wait and contribute for so long, it appears very doubtful to me. I think a lot of genuine members will leave as well. No one will wait an year or more to rank up. Now we will have more of the members who are interested in just discussions here and getting information about bitcoins and other alt coins.

[seoincorporation]

Hello guys
As I see some people hates merit, some of them enjoys but usually people don't look further to see more positive sides.
Merit was added because of sig spammers, right? People spam to rank up and join campaign and continue spam.
So currently most campaigns require high rank in order to participate. For newbies it's hard to rank up these days....
Now imagine, for spammers it will take maybe years to become SR member, this is much time and will require nervous + it can become annoying for spammers too. So only good poster newbies will fight for this (at least I think so ).
And you may ask about current high rank members....
We have SMAS list which grows and grows, so current spammers will be included in this list in future.
Now imagine, current lucky merit given spammers will be banned from campaigns + for new users ranking up will be almost impossible without good posts.
What we will get in a result?
Less spammers....
Just wanted to share my opinion....

Merits is a good way to clean up this forum for scammers, and also a great way to improve the post quality. At the same time, I think this is way too hard to rank up now, for instance from hero member to legendary. But, in any case, is the system guilty of that. I mean: now the new system is implemented is our duty to make it works. When you look into your profile, in the merit section, you will read how important is to share smerit in order to give people the opportunity of ranking out (if deserved).
So this is our duty, as members, to make it works. The system is based on a great idea, at least from my point of view, but it is not going to be easy to people feel it as "fair".
As another user has mentioned, there are full rank members who maybe do not deserve it. I think the merit system is just pushing all of us, even legendary members, to be better writers, to share better contents, or, at least to try. So, as a system, this is brilliant.
Now, some ideas come to my mind when talking about how to make it works. One of them, that I've repeated a lot, is to make a "Merit Contest" about a nice topic, or about something difficult to achieve (a problem needing the solution, for instance). I've been seeing people offering merits only to newbies or jr. members, but such a thing is not too fair. Hero members, I repeat, are one of the most "affected" of all by the merit system. So, in my thoughts, I find much more useful for everybody can participate in any contest they want in order to rank out, no matter the rank they already have.

I haven't made "this contest" yet because I want first to have your opinion. What do you think it can be about? Do you have something you need some help with to be the "Contest-topic"?
Let's help this merit system and make it really works!

[shield132]

Hello guys
As I see some people hates merit, some of them enjoys but usually people don't look further to see more positive sides.
Merit was added because of sig spammers, right? People spam to rank up and join campaign and continue spam.
So currently most campaigns require high rank in order to participate. For newbies it's hard to rank up these days....
Now imagine, for spammers it will take maybe years to become SR member, this is much time and will require nervous + it can become annoying for spammers too. So only good poster newbies will fight for this (at least I think so ).
And you may ask about current high rank members....
We have SMAS list which grows and grows, so current spammers will be included in this list in future.
Now imagine, current lucky merit given spammers will be banned from campaigns + for new users ranking up will be almost impossible without good posts.
What we will get in a result?
Less spammers....
Just wanted to share my opinion....

Is English your native language? Did you make this thread to just merit? Why can't you type a full thought out paragraph instead of just combining sentences together

Is there anything that makes you to think that my intention while creating this thread was to get merits? Yes, I can type a full thought, just wanted to make it easier for others I guess..
I wanted to state my opinion in my own thread to attract others attention too. I think there is nothing wrong here.

[TMAN]

Latest attempt at gaining merit...

Be a pajeet poster, see that lots of people with merit support the merit system.. scratch pajeet head, have bright idea, start threads praising the merit system in hope of getting merits...

[seven2smoke1]

To be honest, Few numbers of spammers will not give up easily from the bitcointalk forum and joining signature campaigns, They usually find some shitty solution to rank up by abusing the merit system. We should focus more to find them and make some investigations, Merit system is a very great way to find alt accounts and scammers, In addition, you can see which one is posting shit posts and high quality posts by simply looking for his merit points.

[1993jochico]

To be honest, Few numbers of spammers will not give up easily from the bitcointalk forum and joining signature campaigns, They usually find some shitty solution to rank up by abusing the merit system. We should focus more to find them and make some investigations, Merit system is a very great way to find alt accounts and scammers, In addition, you can see which one is posting shit posts and high quality posts by simply looking for his merit points.

I think you cannnot identify it by just looking at their merit, there are many jr.member up that post high quality and useful post but many of their post did not gain even 1 merit. Im not against merit, actually I like it, this system help me to learn here in a short period of time. 

[coolcoinz]

To be honest, Few numbers of spammers will not give up easily from the bitcointalk forum and joining signature campaigns, They usually find some shitty solution to rank up by abusing the merit system. We should focus more to find them and make some investigations, Merit system is a very great way to find alt accounts and scammers, In addition, you can see which one is posting shit posts and high quality posts by simply looking for his merit points.

There is such a thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2896910.0
And the main investigations thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.320

I think you cannnot identify it by just looking at their merit, there are many jr.member up that post high quality and useful post but many of their post did not gain even 1 merit. Im not against merit, actually I like it, this system help me to learn here in a short period of time.  

They will get caught sooner or later and it will hurt them. Many people have been caught with their armies of accounts and lost years of leveling up. Those were hundreds of hours! So while you may think that they are fine, it's like walking on thin ice. They're dedicating a lot of time and sometimes also money (bought accounts) into getting an army of socks and placing them all in signature campaigns, and then all get caught and it's all lost. Even if they get to earn some money in the process it's usually not worth the time and effort.

[fanatic26]

If the problem is sig spammers, just disable signatures and ban bounties....this forum isnt supposed to be about making money, its supposed to be about spreading knowledge.

Administrators need to address the core issue directly rather than adding this convoluted system that has added literally zero value to the experience here.

[IvyAguas]

If the problem is sig spammers, just disable signatures and ban bounties....this forum isnt supposed to be about making money, its supposed to be about spreading knowledge.

Administrators need to address the core issue directly rather than adding this convoluted system that has added literally zero value to the experience here.

Signature campaigns helps promote a lot of projects, if this will be eliminated I don't think crypto currencies will continue to grow in the future. We must accept the fact that even if signature and other campaigns creates too many spammers this also helps the community to become more popular as people starting to learn the idea of cryptos and digital economy.

[fanatic26]

Signature campaigns helps promote a lot of projects, if this will be eliminated I don't think crypto currencies will continue to grow in the future. We must accept the fact that even if signature and other campaigns creates too many spammers this also helps the community to become more popular as people starting to learn the idea of cryptos and digital economy.

If you think this forum is what is driving crypto innovation I think you are a bit off the mark.

Until this merit stuff came about I didnt even know sig spam was a thing. There is an option in the forum to turn off signatures, which I do on every single forum I sign up for since they literally add zero value to the experience.

This site should not be about making money by spamming, it should be about sharing knowledge. Between the sig campaigns, the bounties, and the entire marketplace section where I would say at least 90% of what is posted sounds shady and illegal as hell, this place is already a toxic wasteland. Merits arent helping that because they serve no real purpose. Forum ranks are meaningless too, some of the most well known legendary posters are idiots who spread misinformation and argue about things they know nothing about. No merit system will fix that.

[seven2smoke1]

To be honest, Few numbers of spammers will not give up easily from the bitcointalk forum and joining signature campaigns, They usually find some shitty solution to rank up by abusing the merit system. We should focus more to find them and make some investigations, Merit system is a very great way to find alt accounts and scammers, In addition, you can see which one is posting shit posts and high quality posts by simply looking for his merit points.

I think you cannnot identify it by just looking at their merit, there are many jr.member up that post high quality and useful post but many of their post did not gain even 1 merit. Im not against merit, actually I like it, this system help me to learn here in a short period of time.  

That's true that, there are a lot of people as you said in Jr member rank or maybe a member are writing good posts and didn't get any single merit point yet. The problem is divided into two things:

1- Members write long posts with good English and nice formed, but they didn't get any merit, why? I think here that the content of his post does not deserve a merit point unless he post an original post which it help others or the forum in general.
2- Members write good quality posts which high content and they didn't get any merit points, It can happen because this post is not yet shown to the right person, but if you continue to do the same, you will be merited soon.