I've started an english language improvement thread

[Cobalt9317]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dam_(Indian_coin)

Now, wait for someine to create a DamCoin.

Interesting someine created an account with a username of damcoin, I don't know what language he/she speaks but it is evident that he/she was a miner back then.

additionally I've only heard dimcoin. and when you thought about it I don't give a damn can also pronounce as damn/dim sounds homonyms to me. 

[Jet Cash]

Well the English language thread has been an interesting experiment, and it hasn't gone the way I hoped or expected. What I hoped for was contributions from a number of new members with secondary english skills. I thought we could help them to create productive posting which would benefit both the forum and their ranking potential. In fact, they have been conspicuous by their absence, and those who did post for advice were really not that bad with their skills. I got a lot of support from established members, and I am grateful for that, and I hope that some of the newbies will read through the thread and benefit from the advice.

In view of the fact that the thread failed in its original purpose, I have been trying to think of alternatives. The only one I can think of is a restricted thread, where I take posts from elsewhere in the forum, and I post comments about them. I would restrict the thread so that I am the only person who can post in it ( apart from mods of course), and I believe I have found a way to do this. Do you guys think this is a good and worthwhile idea?

[greeklogos]

That is very kind from you to help people who's native language is not English with posting. Other users just say something like "go away from this forum! Your Ebglish is shit!" I got my own such comments to my posts.
I think some support in this point or just kindly paying of attention on this problem can help to many users. I already started to surf Eng grammar to improve my skills when I have some free time.

[dx_twisted]

In view of the fact that the thread failed in its original purpose, I have been trying to think of alternatives. The only one I can think of is a restricted thread, where I take posts from elsewhere in the forum, and I post comments about them. I would restrict the thread so that I am the only person who can post in it ( apart from mods of course), and I believe I have found a way to do this. Do you guys think this is a good and worthwhile idea?

Is it okay to quote posts from other threads and use them as an example? I'm not a pessimistic guy or anything but I feel that other users will not agree with this, especially if you pick a post with a lot of errors, what if that user whom you use an example is so sensitive? On their part, it's like you are discriminating which might lead you to be racist even if that's not your true intention.

However, I do think your idea is really good. The only thing that I can think of to avoid what I have stated above is not only you highlight their errors, but also the correct thing that they did. Also, don't fully restrict your thread. How about those members (who are not moderators) that are willing to share?

[Jet Cash]

Is it okay to quote posts from other threads and use them as an example? I'm not a pessimistic guy or anything but I feel that other users will not agree with this, especially if you pick a post with a lot of errors, what if that user whom you use an example is so sensitive? On their part, it's like you are discriminating which might lead you to be racist even if that's not your true intention.

However, I do think your idea is really good. The only thing that I can think of to avoid what I have stated above is not only you highlight their errors, but also the correct thing that they did. Also, don't fully restrict your thread. How about those members (who are not moderators) that are willing to share?
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Good points - maybe I shouldn't include the member name or other details in the quote tag.
The problem with allowing other members to contribute is that the thread becomes a general help and advice thread. This is a good thing, but I have already started a thread which has developed into that resource.

I put an example in the test thread that I started here. Unfortunately I can't make that self-moderating, so I will wait for some feedback before I try that in the beginners forum.

[dx_twisted]

Good points - maybe I shouldn't include the member name or other details in the quote tag.

Thumbs up to this! Much better than what I think of. Don't forget to put from where the post came, so that the users will have a basic idea on how to properly make a post in such section or topic within the forum.

Another suggestion, before you start filling up your thread with samples. Fill out your thread with basics, such as correct spelling, punctuation or grammar. Not the ones they teach in primary and elementary schools. Reminders, short info or summary will do. Posts will be much nicer if majority of the users became aware of it.

The problem with allowing other members to contribute is that the thread becomes a general help and advice thread. This is a good thing, but I have already started a thread which has developed into that resource.

Do you mean making two threads with the same motive? One that you self-moderate and the other from random contributors? One thread alone can make a difference so to avoid confusion among members.

What I mean is to let them have an access through PM.

[Jet Cash]

I'll leave the current thread alone as a community resource. It's still self-moderated, but there doesn't seem to be much abuse, so I don't really want to start imposing my somewhat traditional views on the thread supporters.

It hasn't become the thread that I intended, but people seem to find it useful. If you plant a crab apple tree, and then find out that it is a Kingston Black, you don't want to rip it out by the roots.

The proposed sample thread is really a result of virtually no posts being submitted by the members who could benefit most from some helpful comments. I don't think it would help by including posting guidelines, as there are enough of those elsewhere.

[Cobalt9317]

The proposed sample thread is really a result of virtually no posts being submitted by the members who could benefit most from some helpful comments. I don't think it would help by including posting guidelines, as there are enough of those elsewhere.

I shall contribute to your thread when I find the right time to do so. I've experienced unfortunate booting my windows 10.
It is not working correctly as it should be.

I saw the thread and other users are putting their initial effort which I deem a good sign of learning to walk again.

[malevolent]

Not a bad idea, but in English adjectives derived from proper nouns (i.e. England -> English in your case) are supposed to retain their majusculation.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

What kind of bs is this? I'm so mad at bitcointalk's bigotry.

You're talking about anonymity and decentralization, but you're trying to centralize btc as an English-major coin!

Bitcoin is international, and it should be global. Making a big fuss about English skills and acting like bitcoin is only in English demeans the effort to get bitcoin trusted worldwide,

Bitcoin doesn't need a language barrier on top of all its other current barriers.

This is primarily and English language forum, you knockerhead.  And the reason it's become so shitty in the past few years is because the forum has been infiltrated by filthy, no-English-speaking idiots who are only here to post the same idiotic shitposts so they can get paid.  It's sickening.

While I respect JetCash's aim, there's no way I'm spending time giving English lessons to people who should be posting in the local boards.  If your English is bad, go seek knowledge elsewhere and come back when you've learned enough to be coherent.  I've got no patience for this, since most of the users here are so illiterate that they would basically go back and get the schooling they didn't get growing up...and I'm not getting paid to do that, nor would I want to.  Plus most of them are so two-faced and ungrateful that it would turn my stomach to make such an effort.  Good luck if that's your thing, but all you're going to get is more shitposting.

[Welsh]

I assumed you are Welsh, so I suppose that does mean that you aren't really English!

It's a real problem identifying as a Welsh person and having it as a first language, but whenever I have to state I'm from Wales I'll either get the response "Oh Wales in England so you are English?" or "Basically English then" it hurts every time.   Let's not mention how useless Welsh is in the modern day as less than 20% of Wales actually speaks the language and is decreasing every year (don't tell my Welsh friends that), but my family is quite traditional in that sense and I'm still glad I know it. Though, would of probably preferred to have English as a 1st language as I still find myself making basic mistakes when writing in English.

Anyway, I'll pitch in on anything that I can help with.

[digaran]

Thank you for your efforts, beggar buster Jet Cash. do you think it would be appropriate to teach about matrimonial intercourse in the next educational attempt? if people need to learn English to earn money, they should have something to earn money for a.k.a having a family.

I'm one step ahead of you. I'm giving merits to anybody completing simple tasks, whether you are fluent in English or not, you do have a chance in earning merits.

[om_iyo]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3081595

I thought that rather than constantly criticising members who need to improve their english skills, we might provide a thread to give a bit of advice to those who genuinely want to improve their posting. I posted it on the beginners board, if that is the wrong place, then please could a mod move it to a more suitable board.

I would also like some help in this project, and any of you guys who have english as a first language are welcome to pitch in.

It's a great idea!! I agree so much. I think we need a thread talking about English, grammar, etc. Because it's our primary language to chat here, even we have another local languages.

[Mevz]

It's great I'll go visit that thread everytime. Jet Cash is so generous thumbs up for his kindness to newbies and also for us who can't write english well. I think the thread is really helpful for me to improve my grammarizations and to know some idiomatic thoughts that I could see there. I hope many who is fluent in english would also help to promote this idea. 

[hd49728]

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It's okay to quote if quote contents are necessary for discussions. If not, posters should snip contents like my thread. Another situation is over-quoted thread, I mean sort of thread which quote older three, which in turn quote from earlier thread and so on. That one is called quote-over-quote thread ( I don't know how to call it exactly, hope that you understand what I mean). Those type of theses should highly avoid because they mostly will make reader extremely annoying. Users should delete unused contents to make i'their threads better.

[Jet Cash]

Not a bad idea, but in English adjectives derived from proper nouns (i.e. England -> English in your case) are supposed to retain their majusculation.

Yes, and I use that when referring to English as used by the English, but there is a considerble number of sub-sets ( American for example ), and I use the word "english" without the majusculation as a generic term. I do the same with many other words. For example, "Hoover" refers to a suction cleaner manufactured by the Hoover company, but they became so popular that many people refer to any suction cleaner as a hoover.

As an Englishman, born and bred, I constantly have to fight against the debased description "British". The Irish, Welsh, Scots and others are allowed to use their country of birth to describe themselves, but if I describe myself as English, then I am accused of being racist. I'm not politically correct, and I want to keep English as an identity in the world. I would also like to see the word "European" used correctly, and not as a description of countries under the subjugation of the Keiser Reich division of the Deep State, but that is a different issue.

[Jet Cash]

I assumed you are Welsh, so I suppose that does mean that you aren't really English!

It's a real problem identifying as a Welsh person and having it as a first language, but whenever I have to state I'm from Wales I'll either get the response "Oh Wales in England so you are English?" or "Basically English then" it hurts every time.   Let's not mention how useless Welsh is in the modern day as less than 20% of Wales actually speaks the language and is decreasing every year (don't tell my Welsh friends that), but my family is quite traditional in that sense and I'm still glad I know it. Though, would of probably preferred to have English as a 1st language as I still find myself making basic mistakes when writing in English.

Anyway, I'll pitch in on anything that I can help with.

Congratulations on sticking up for your country of birth. I think people lose so much when they turn against their origins. I hate Richard Branson, and many others for doing that, and I respect Donald Trump for standing up against the deep state to protect his birth right.

I can understand your pain over the Welsh language, we have the same problem with English. The internet seems to have created a hybrid subset that is becoming the world standard, and it is losing the subtlety and potential for humour that is part of the "mother tongue". I'm having to adjust to the fact that many people don't understand the difference between words like insure, ensure, and assure, and they just use the single word "insure" to replace them. There are many other examples like this.

The use of sites like grammarly and Google translate just make matters worse in my opinion.