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October 12, 2013, 02:17:29 PM |
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For Bitcoin to succeed in the long term we need market acceptance. Going to Bitcoin meetups and conferences it seems to be a small number of women, and an even smaller number of minorities. There are plenty of women doing great things in the Bitcoin space, but if you look at our demographics as a whole women are a very small portion. Coinblog lists the number around 2.5%, which is just dismal to say the least. So my question to you is: 1) Is the number of women in Bitcoin only tied to the fact that there is large disparity between women and men in Computer Science? 2) Has Bitcoin as a community been hostile to women? 3) If we do have a problem, how can we fix it? |
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October 12, 2013, 02:44:24 PM |
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1)yup
2)no
3)there is no problem, if women want to get into bitcoin they can, if they don't want, their choice.
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tinus42
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October 12, 2013, 02:54:43 PM |
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Women are on average more risk-averse than men. Bitcoin is risky. When Bitcoin becomes more mainstream there will be more women who use Bitcoin.
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October 12, 2013, 03:00:55 PM |
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Well most of the miners got girlfriends or are married already and their partners know how to use bitcoin somehow. I think when it will be mainstream it would be like that.
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October 12, 2013, 06:50:24 PM |
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here we go again,
if you want to meet women at conventions .. go to cosplay conventions. bitcoin is about business and finance, not meeting woman. in my eyes woman are just as business savvi as men so whether male or female the mainstreaming will move forward at the same pace so making a point that more women are needed sounds more like you want to turn these bitcoin conventions into dating hook-up locations, rather then business meeting points.
women do not like guys glaring at them and hounding them. i have seen many a time that a woman in a convention would have more men lingering around her, as if she was made of catnip. then some other person that actually has a business plan worthy of hearing, would have lingerers.
this deters women from turning up to such events. and as such they would still be involved in the community, but not be tempted to attend conventions.
so my advice is to not think of ways to make bitcoin more friendly to women. but to make conventions less friendly to hormone filled basement dwellers with no bitcoin business plans. that way it would remove the lingerers that only attend for dating hookups, due to their immature thinking that they finally have something in common with a woman to talk about.
if this were achieved where bitcoin meetups were based on business as oppose to the social side of meeting women.. more woman would feel comfortable to attend. because there are plenty of women in the bitcoin community, you just wont see them at conventions (at the moment)
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Please do your own research & respect what is written here as both opinion & information gleaned from experience. many people replying with insults but no on-topic content substance, automatically are 'facepalmed' and yawned at
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dree12
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October 12, 2013, 06:54:25 PM |
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Women
Just wait. Computer science isn't a male-dominated field any more, and actually is projected to become female-dominated in the future. Bitcoin will follow.
Minorities
Like anything that involves money, Bitcoin lacks minorities. However, look at Bitcoin adoption in China and Africa. As these countries adopt Bitcoin, their diaspora will too.
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October 12, 2013, 07:27:15 PM |
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Women are on average more risk-averse than men. Bitcoin is risky. When Bitcoin becomes more mainstream there will be more women who use Bitcoin.
correct. and bitcoin is technical, and girls usually dont like tech-stuff. |
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October 12, 2013, 07:29:32 PM |
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The problem is Bitcoins reaches the men first before the women in a relationship. Women are the ones who spend the $$ in the household if they aren't touching the mans bitcoin wallet for purchases then yes there would be no reason for women to be involved I suppose.
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October 12, 2013, 07:32:21 PM |
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Women
Just wait. Computer science isn't a male-dominated field any more, and actually is projected to become female-dominated in the future. Bitcoin will follow.
Minorities
Like anything that involves money, Bitcoin lacks minorities. However, look at Bitcoin adoption in China and Africa. As these countries adopt Bitcoin, their diaspora will too.
computing is not a male dominant field... there are more men doing construction, mechanics etc. but when it comes to computing, you will find more women at a computer then men.. the whole women arnt into computing is the naive thought process of the adolescence that never hear many women on a xbox live group game, or see them at a geeky conference. its all due to the hounding and stalking that goes on.. but in actual workplace scenarios, women do dominate the computing market. women are in the community, you just wont see them. what we need to do is concentrate on making bitcoin a serious business where ANYONE in business can attend, not being concerned about gender, but about the tone of the event. EDIT: while writing i see 2 posts have been done with sexist naive remarks about women. lol. this makes my point even more apparent.. men think of women as housewives that are not smart. this is where bitcoin needs to change.. |
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October 12, 2013, 08:10:55 PM |
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There is no problem.
This is purely an effect of statistics. Bitcoin is a "weird" and "extreme" technology, therefore it tends to attract people from the extreme tail end of the distribution, whether male or female. When you look at attributes such as personality, political stance, or intelligence the distribution for women is narrower than the distribution for men. The further away you go from the mean, the more men outnumber women.
The reason there are so few female bitcoiners is the same reason there are so few female BASE jumpers, Nobel prize winners, and serial killers.
The more mainstream bitcoin becomes, the more "average" people it will attract, both male and female, and the more this effect will be diluted.
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October 12, 2013, 08:24:37 PM |
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2) The bitcoin community is not hostile but it's full of geeks so it's not exactly attractive to women...
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October 12, 2013, 08:26:51 PM |
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There is no problem.
This is purely an effect of statistics. Bitcoin is a "weird" and "extreme" technology, therefore it tends to attract people from the extreme tail end of the distribution, whether male or female. When you look at attributes such as personality, political stance, or intelligence the distribution for women is narrower than the distribution for men. The further away you go from the mean, the more men outnumber women.
The reason there are so few female bitcoiners is the same reason there are so few female BASE jumpers, Nobel prize winners, and serial killers.
The more mainstream bitcoin becomes, the more "average" people it will attract, both male and female, and the more this effect will be diluted.
It is incredibly sexist to claim that fewer women are at extremes in personality, political stance, or intelligence. This is equivalent to saying that all women are similar. Such a statement is patently false. Weird and extreme technologies attract women as easily as men. That is not an excuse for Bitcoin's gender gap. Rather, sexism and societal pressure is the primary cause of fewer women being attracted to Bitcoin. It is generally considered "uncool" for women to take interest in the frontier of technology. Luckily, this dated stance is changing and more and more women are entering frontier technologies such as nanotechnology and quantum computing. With a changing society, Bitcoin's demographics will change accordingly. |
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October 12, 2013, 09:00:40 PM |
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It is incredibly sexist to claim that fewer women are at extremes in personality, political stance, or intelligence. This is equivalent to saying that all women are similar. Such a statement is patently false.
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It is actually true for many intelligent tests that while the means are nearly identical the distributions are not, so neither sexist or anything else. See eg: http://www.aei-ideas.org/2010/07/great-male-variability-it’s-a-fact-but-it-can-sometimes-be-deadly/#mbl http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/sexdifferences.aspxPlus many more. |
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October 12, 2013, 09:04:03 PM |
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IQ tests were designed by males and initially applied to test differences between males, who were the primary school population at the time. It is no surprise that the test accentuates the intelligence variability in males. This does not prove that males are more "variable" than females, only that a test designed to measure male variability shows greater male variability than females. |
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tinus42
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October 12, 2013, 09:05:35 PM |
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Women
Just wait. Computer science isn't a male-dominated field any more, and actually is projected to become female-dominated in the future. Bitcoin will follow. Really? There will be more women in computer science but there's no trend that points to a future where there will be more women in computer science than men. Men and women generally have different interests and there's nothing wrong with that. It's safe to figure that in 20 years there will still be more men in CS than women just like there will likely be more women in fashion than men. Minorities
Like anything that involves money, Bitcoin lacks minorities. However, look at Bitcoin adoption in China and Africa. As these countries adopt Bitcoin, their diaspora will too.
Chinese are actually the majority of world citizens.  Besides there are many Jews in finance and they are definitely a minority everywhere except in Israel. |
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October 12, 2013, 09:07:52 PM |
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I see a good opportunity for a marketing study or two.
Get some real actionable data on the issue rather than generalizations and speculation.
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Gabi
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October 12, 2013, 09:10:29 PM |
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2) The bitcoin community is not hostile but it's full of geeks so it's not exactly attractive to women...
The bitcoin community is about bitcoin, not about finding a boyfriend  it is not that you have to be attracted by people here |
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tinus42
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October 12, 2013, 09:11:14 PM |
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Just wait. Computer science isn't a male-dominated field any more, and actually is projected to become female-dominated in the future. Bitcoin will follow.
computing is not a male dominant field... there are more men doing construction, mechanics etc. but when it comes to computing, you will find more women at a computer then men.. Using computers != computer science |
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pand70
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October 12, 2013, 09:17:16 PM |
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2) The bitcoin community is not hostile but it's full of geeks so it's not exactly attractive to women...
The bitcoin community is about bitcoin, not about finding a boyfriend it is not that you have to be attracted by people here Yes but people inspire each other to get involved with things... And geeks can 't inspire absolutely nothing that has tits on it... |
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tinus42
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October 12, 2013, 09:20:23 PM |
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2) The bitcoin community is not hostile but it's full of geeks so it's not exactly attractive to women...
The bitcoin community is about bitcoin, not about finding a boyfriend it is not that you have to be attracted by people here Yes but people inspire each other to get involved with things... And geeks can 't inspire absolutely nothing that has tits on it... Really, Zuckerberg couldn't flog his website to women if his life depended on it.  |
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