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October 13, 2013, 01:21:16 AM
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http://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/191-press-releases-2013/944-foreign-intelligence-surveillance-court-approves-government’s-application-to-renew-telephony-metadata-program


The National Security Agency has gotten the green light to continue its controversial collection of U.S. phone call records.

The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court authorized the program for limited time periods — with a requirement that the government submit new requests every several weeks, The Hill reported Friday.

The Office of the Director of National Intelligence announced the court’s approval in a statement late Friday.

The phone record snooping — first revealed in leaks by Edward Snowden — generated criticism from privacy advocates and some lawmakers, who are concerned the collection affects millions of Americans who aren’t suspected of any wrongdoing.

Mark Rumold, an attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a digital privacy watchdog group, told The Baltimore Sun in June NSA’s program “targets more people than has ever been issued before, that we have known about publicly, in the history of the United States.”

“There has been a significant amount of debate about the subpoenaing of AP reporters’ phone records,” Rumold said. “This is that on steroids. It’s everyone.”

The NSA collects records from phone companies — like phone numbers, call times and call durations — of all U.S. calls and then compiles them in a database, though the administration insists it doesn’t include any conversations, The Hill reported.

NSA analysts are only allowed to search the database if there is a “reasonable, articulable suspicion,” that a phone number is connected to terrorism, The Hill reported.

http://www.newsmax.com/US/nsa-phone-records-court/2013/10/11/id/530681
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October 13, 2013, 01:33:15 AM
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It's all downhill from here, friends.

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October 13, 2013, 05:19:29 AM
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You vote for one guy because he is a super conservative with a vision for a smaller centralized government. In the end he needed to save capitalism from itself and made the government bigger. So you vote for the other guy because he tells you he is soooo not not nooot like the other guy. In the (middle of) the end you end up with more troops dead in Afghanistan in four years than in the whole 8 years before the new guy. You end up with a Nobel laureate killing children as collateral with drones. And of course you end up with someone who was telling you how unpatriotic everything the old guy was doing, until he is doubling down, doing the same himself.


At least the media are keeping him and his government honest on all those points.....................
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October 13, 2013, 07:05:21 AM
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Unless you're talking about Ron Paul you're hopelessly naive if you think any of the Republicans are for small and centralised government, otherwise they would have welcomed the Libertarians with open arms in the last election, both the established parties in America only believe in Imperialism and the military industrial complex, we have the exact same style of system here in the UK which is why the politicians always get along with each other the majority of the time.
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October 13, 2013, 07:45:45 AM
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Unless you're talking about Ron Paul you're hopelessly naive if you think any of the Republicans are for small and centralised government, otherwise they would have welcomed the Libertarians with open arms in the last election, both the established parties in America only believe in Imperialism and the military industrial complex, we have the exact same style of system here in the UK which is why the politicians always get along with each other the majority of the time.

Although it would be naive to believe any politician seeks to grant himself less power (just a moment's thought would make this sound unusual; if you could pay yourself a salary from the blue yonder, why would you ever want to pay yourself less?), it is no less true that right-right-wingers will often claim that big government is the issue and we must (inadvertently) hand the state more power so the state will have the power to grant itself less power.

You see, it's not deception, they're just trying to improve your perceptions by proselytizing an improved, alternative reality to your own.

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October 13, 2013, 08:07:53 AM
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I'm starting to think things like this are actually good.  Let the state reveal it's true nature to people.  It will take that much less time to get to a widespread rejection of the state as an idea.  As soon as they've lost the support of a large number of people all the guns and spying in the world won't help them.  It's only propaganda and childhood indoctrination holding up the whole shebang.
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October 13, 2013, 03:04:57 PM
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Unless you're talking about Ron Paul you're hopelessly naive if you think any of the Republicans are for small and centralised government, otherwise they would have welcomed the Libertarians with open arms in the last election, both the established parties in America only believe in Imperialism and the military industrial complex, we have the exact same style of system here in the UK which is why the politicians always get along with each other the majority of the time.

The GOP was hijacked by preachers and Bible thumpers, it's crazy town there.

I'm starting to think things like this are actually good.  Let the state reveal it's true nature to people.  It will take that much less time to get to a widespread rejection of the state as an idea.  As soon as they've lost the support of a large number of people all the guns and spying in the world won't help them.  It's only propaganda and childhood indoctrination holding up the whole shebang.

The problem is: nobody cares!


Plus, two-party democracies we see in many countries are just bullshit, two choices do not represent the entire population they keep making mistakes after mistakes and people keep alternating voting between those two parties, and shit keeps always the same...

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October 14, 2013, 12:41:35 AM
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The problem is: nobody cares!


Plus, two-party democracies we see in many countries are just bullshit, two choices do not represent the entire population they keep making mistakes after mistakes and people keep alternating voting between those two parties, and shit keeps always the same...

It's not that they are making mistakes, it's that central planning does not work.  It has the illusion of working for awhile but in reality debts and distortions just keep building in the system.  The US is going the way of the Soviet Union at some point but who knows when that will be.  It could easily be more than a decade away or it could be in the next few years.  No-one knows.  Some of us just hope an anarchic libertarian philosophy will eventually come after that if enough people can be introduced to the ideas.

As for nobody cares.  The smart people realise that the system doesn't work and prepare accordingly.  They've done the research, read about economics, etc.  The sheep still think it does work and keep blind faith in the leaders.  The only question is, which group are you in?
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October 14, 2013, 01:06:02 AM
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Unless you're talking about Ron Paul you're hopelessly naive if you think any of the Republicans are for small and centralised government, otherwise they would have welcomed the Libertarians with open arms in the last election, both the established parties in America only believe in Imperialism and the military industrial complex, we have the exact same style of system here in the UK which is why the politicians always get along with each other the majority of the time.

I forgot my giant sarcastic evil smile.....
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October 14, 2013, 02:16:58 AM
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The problem is: nobody cares!


Plus, two-party democracies we see in many countries are just bullshit, two choices do not represent the entire population they keep making mistakes after mistakes and people keep alternating voting between those two parties, and shit keeps always the same...

It's not that they are making mistakes, it's that central planning does not work.  It has the illusion of working for awhile but in reality debts and distortions just keep building in the system.  The US is going the way of the Soviet Union at some point but who knows when that will be.  It could easily be more than a decade away or it could be in the next few years.  No-one knows.  Some of us just hope an anarchic libertarian philosophy will eventually come after that if enough people can be introduced to the ideas.

As for nobody cares.  The smart people realise that the system doesn't work and prepare accordingly.  They've done the research, read about economics, etc.  The sheep still think it does work and keep blind faith in the leaders.  The only question is, which group are you in?

Just a matter of words, I call it mistakes, but it's just how the system works I guess, what you referred as central planning...

The US is a good example of a two-parties democracy, but we can see that all over the world, the ancient the democracy is , the more only two-parties it gets, each one blaming the previous one for the mistakes and the cycle goes on.

Sorry, I have no sympathy for anarchic libertarian philosophy, it's just an utopia.

And you're right, it's all sheeps out there, this Wikileaks/Snowden/NSA revelations serious stuff, nobody cares, as long as people can have their cable TV and post their entire lives on Facebook, it's all fine.

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October 26, 2013, 04:44:48 PM
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When this politician is launching a review about policies he signed, reconducted  and re enforced twice so far  Wink



President Obama orders review of U.S. spying as world leaders push for new limits on surveillance

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-33816_162-57609443/president-obama-orders-review-of-u.s-spying-as-world-leaders-push-for-new-limits-on-surveillance/

(CBS News) Foreign leaders - some of them top allies of the United States - are furious with the National Security Agency's snooping. European leaders are pushing for new limits on U.S. surveillance, and President Obama is feeling the heat, ordering a review of whom the U.S. is spying on and why.

State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said, "We wanted to ensure we're collecting information because we need it and not just because we can."

It's not enough for the leaders of Germany and France. Both countries want a halt to eavesdropping on leaders, companies and law-abiding citizens after allegations the National Security Agency gathered tens of thousands of French phone records and hacked German Chancellor Angela Merkel's cell phone.

The German leader said trust has been severely shaken and something had to change. The spying revelations come from leaks by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden - reports that the U.S. had spied on 35 world leaders. Brazil's president canceled a state dinner after learning she was a target. Spain's prime minister says he'll summon the U.S. ambassador.

But Britain's Prime Minister David Cameron pointed the finger back at Snowden, saying the leak of classified information would make it harder for his and other countries to keep citizens safe. He said, "What Snowden is doing, and to an extent what the newspapers are doing in helping him doing what he's doing, is frankly signaling to people who mean to do us harm how to evade and avoid intelligence and surveillance."

The U.S. already has a no-spying agreement with four countries: Great Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Senior officials in the White House tell CBS News they're giving allies a heads-up on what may come next as a result of Snowden's leaks. They also say the White House is open to talks with European governments about a no-spying agreement. Germany and France want to be added to the list. And Brazil is leading a push for a United Nations resolution to limit intelligence gathering. If it passes, it will be non-binding.
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