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July 23, 2011, 08:04:51 AM
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at Porc Fest 2011, uploaded to YouTube a few hours ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG5uL4tkvhA

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Before the end of slavery, people said (and we've all heard these arguments before, right?) - people said:

"You know, there's never been a society without slavery, so... You point to me a society without slavery - you can't do it! You point to me a society where there's equality for women, you can do it! You point to me a society where there is no government, and you can't do it!"

That's all we hear!
Well because we can see it, it will be here! It will be here!
Because the vision is everything!

So, I'm going to just end up by saying that - yeah, this battle's been going on for a long time. And it is a battle of good versus evil, there's no doubt about it. And - I'm going to close with a line from one of my favorite speeches in a movie - Morpheus:

"It has been a long time coming, but we are going to win. Because WE ARE STILL HERE!!!!"

"We will not find a solution to political problems in cryptography, but we can win a major battle in the arms race and gain a new territory of freedom for several years.

Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks, but pure P2P networks are holding their own."
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July 23, 2011, 05:30:12 PM
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Excellent.

Man, I can't wait to get up there.

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July 23, 2011, 07:07:12 PM
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Stefan is a gifted communicator and he deserves a lot of the praise that he gets for his ability to promote stateless ideals. I've never been able to consider myself a "Molyneux disciple" though, and here's why:

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"If we set humanity free the world can be beautiful, the world can be a paradise, the world can be utopia!"

Beyond his pathological hatred of religion and hostility towards conventional family units (he used to refer to families as cults), this is where Sefan's vision has always lost me as I fundamentally reject utopia. In fact, I was attracted to liberty-minded thought specifically because I saw the evils produced by the usual array of scientific utopias promoted by statists. I was attracted to an ideology that rejected the perfect society not just as an impossibility, but as an inherently evil concept.

Simply reversing the tables and stating "well, statist utopias are evil but a stateless utopia is utopia!" doesn't sit well with me. Could we have a society infinitely better than the one we have today? Absolutely. Will this be a paradise if we can just 'get it right'? Absolutely not.

Humans are always going to be imperfect. Our technology is always going to be imperfect and our answers are always going to be flawed to some degree. A better society without centralized nation states exists, the socialist/technocratic/Zeitgeist/Molyneux utopia does not.
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July 23, 2011, 07:26:33 PM
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Humans are always going to be imperfect. Our technology is always going to be imperfect and our answers are always going to be flawed to some degree. A better society without centralized nation states exists, the socialist/technocratic/Zeitgeist/Molyneux utopia does not.

I think people like Molyneux give the rest of us a bit of a bad name. Don't get me wrong, Molyneux has his good points (UPB being one - wordy, yes, but it works), but his blind faith in an anarchist Utopia tends to put people off, and give critics ammunition.

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July 23, 2011, 07:46:03 PM
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Humans are always going to be imperfect. Our technology is always going to be imperfect and our answers are always going to be flawed to some degree. A better society without centralized nation states exists, the socialist/technocratic/Zeitgeist/Molyneux utopia does not.

I think people like Molyneux give the rest of us a bit of a bad name. Don't get me wrong, Molyneux has his good points (UPB being one - wordy, yes, but it works), but his blind faith in an anarchist Utopia tends to put people off, and give critics ammunition.

agreed.

"We will not find a solution to political problems in cryptography, but we can win a major battle in the arms race and gain a new territory of freedom for several years.

Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks, but pure P2P networks are holding their own."
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July 24, 2011, 08:34:52 PM
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Did anyone here go to PorcFest, or is a member of the Free State Project?

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July 24, 2011, 08:53:37 PM
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I'm a signer, And you may recognize the seal on my pic as that of the Shire Society, But I've not yet moved.

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July 25, 2011, 01:03:13 AM
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I'm a free state project signer.
I bought tickets to go to Porcfest this year,  but decided not to go at the last moment.

It is about 20 hours of traveling from my home in Tokyo.

I love some of Stefan Molyneux's youtube videos.

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