Suggestion: Raise merit requirements at the lower and highest ranks (@theymos)

[rlim475]

Managers are mostly responsible for such posting. For example, even yahoo, sylon and other worthy managers wants from their bounty members 20+ posts per week. It's not easy to create 20 worthy posts.

If it's difficult, then don't apply. Is that not a simple principle to follow?

It's not easy to be a full-stack developer with minor programming experience. Campaign managers should take responsibility, yes. However, at the end of the day, if the campaign member is not sufficiently qualified then they should be booted out. Furthermore, they shouldn't have applied in the first place. If all that they can output is bad quality work, then that's not something that should be rewarded.TL;DR: You should not be paid for a job you cannot do.

While it may be clear to you that if you cannot post 20 quality posts in a week you should not apply, this is not clear to others. From the point of view of a bounty manager (this is an assumption - I do not know with certainty as I am not one) the more participants and the more posts the better because the signature will be more widespread across the forum.

I acquiesce that because of the financial incentive, this [rank] should be limited. However, that's an issue that campaign managers should take care of: they should punish poor posting quality. And if they allow spam to manifest on the forum, then they themselves should be punished.

Again this is not within their incentive, do you really feel that bounty managers are all that much better than the signature spammers that they reward?

The easiest solution to kill another big chunk of the spam (which I've seen banded around a few times) would be either to make Jr. Member have a merit requirement or to make it so Jr. Members cannot have signatures at all. At least 50% of the accounts in signature campaigns are junior members. We cannot rely on managers to change their rules to only allow members plus because they've had a month and a half to do that and I think I've only seen 1 who has done that.

Disclaimer: I am talking about alt-coin campaigns, I have seen that many bitcoin campaigns are using merit to identify better quality posters.

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[Loveboard]

Managers are mostly responsible for such posting. For example, even yahoo, sylon and other worthy managers wants from their bounty members 20+ posts per week. It's not easy to create 20 worthy posts.

If it's difficult, then don't apply. Is that not a simple principle to follow?

It's not easy to be a full-stack developer with minor programming experience. Campaign managers should take responsibility, yes. However, at the end of the day, if the campaign member is not sufficiently qualified then they should be booted out. Furthermore, they shouldn't have applied in the first place. If all that they can output is bad quality work, then that's not something that should be rewarded.TL;DR: You should not be paid for a job you cannot do.

I don't think campaign managers should get into trouble unless they specifically ask users to spam. If a manager says, "make 20 posts, sone with generic one-liners in multiple threads," then they should get inew trouble.

Otherwise if they simply omit "no spam" in their campaign rules, then it shouldn't be counted against them as per forum rules. It should be the individual posters' responsibility to abide by forum rules when participating in bounties.

As soon as campaign managerso are forced to add posting rules mandated by the forum, then it is bitcointalk itself that now has minimum signature campaign rules.

[boy130]

The problem with your proposal is that you're comparing the ability of other members, to you. You are quite clearly the exception when it comes to earning merit points, and I think we all know you never use an exception to create a rule. I personally think the thresholds are fine where they are, perhaps increasing HERO to 750 might be a useful change, but I doubt it would have much effect on the forum as most sr's and above tend to have grown out of shitposting anyway.

[figmentofmyass]

i'd echo the general consensus that this rank stuff shouldn't matter this much. as far as theymos' intentions with merit go, the simplest short-term solution, as rlim475 points out, is to remove all signature capability for jr members or establish a merit requirement.

or just remove signatures entirely so we can end this stupid drama. and call us all "members."

Managers are mostly responsible for such posting. For example, even yahoo, sylon and other worthy managers wants from their bounty members 20+ posts per week. It's not easy to create 20 worthy posts.

If it's difficult, then don't apply. Is that not a simple principle to follow?

that's not actually rational. it doesn't matter to spammers whether it's difficult to write 20+ good posts. they'll apply and write 20+ posts regardless. at the end of the day, these people are getting into campaigns. over and over and over. there has never been any action (formal or informal/community-based) against any campaign managers, so that's unlikely to change.

the "minimum posts required" custom is part of it. it's not getting paid for something you ordinarily do anymore. it literally makes it a job to spam---one where you don't get paid if you don't meet the spam quota. that spam quota exists whether or not there are enough interesting (non spam megathread) discussions happening on the forum, or whether you are capable of engaging in higher level technical discussion.

that is to say, the incentive for "post padding" is much, much higher when you threaten not to pay participants for their posts.

why do campaign managers require a spam quota? it's to make their job easy and please advertisers at the expense of the forum's quality. that's their prerogative. can't blame managers for that. but instead of people acknowledging the reality and establishing new community standards, they'd rather go around hurling racial epithets and blaming "third worlders" and "Indonesian shitposters" and "pajeets" for ruining the forum. yet---somebody is paying all these shitposters. are they not?

[Toughit]

Managers are mostly responsible for such posting. For example, even yahoo, sylon and other worthy managers wants from their bounty members 20+ posts per week. It's not easy to create 20 worthy posts.

If it's difficult, then don't apply. Is that not a simple principle to follow?

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As soon as campaign managerso are forced to add posting rules mandated by the forum, then it is bitcointalk itself that now has minimum signature campaign rules.

We really need to get back on topic here,

Like: Some of you have already called him this, but did anyone notice that nullius is 'officially' a full member.....

[Lovecove]

AIGHT WHAT UP GUYS.

I JUST GOT ONE MERIT TODAY.

That means I can do this! One merit per day! Let's see if we can all be as good as Nullius' says we can be!

I'm going to try for 1 merit per day without spending like 10 hours on bitcointalk posting it up.

If i can get one merit per day, then Nullius is right.

[Chris!]

I think having higher merit requirements would make sense for legendary. Make it an actual very hard thing to obtain.

My issue with it from a selfish point of view is all of my old posts that are really great will probably never received any merit. Look how many spammers I found with alt account to in the past. I don't think anyone will ever give me that sweet sweet merit for them so I can see why this would be hard to implement for people that have already been around for a long time.

[123exo123]

I think having higher merit requirements would make sense for legendary. Make it an actual very hard thing to obtain.

My issue with it from a selfish point of view is all of my old posts that are really great will probably never received any merit. Look how many spammers I found with alt account to in the past. I don't think anyone will ever give me that sweet sweet merit for them so I can see why this would be hard to implement for people that have already been around for a long time.

But I don't understand why that would matter for you? You have enough Merit for Legendary. After Legendary, you have no need for merit at all.

[cheefbuza]

Ranks and merits are highly overrated.

[nc50lc]

January 25, 2018
Meta Board: (Merit Threads)

• Members: This sucks, I'm 5-days away to rank up.
• Legendaries: Live with it, it's for the benefit of the forum.
• Members: Okay
• Spammers: Hell no, merit is not working

March 13, 2018
Meta Board: Raise merit requirements at the lower and highest ranks (@theymos)

• Legendaries: Ranks don't matter (Please don't)

hahah, I see what you did there.
I agree to increase the Merit requirement for the lower ranks but the higher ranks are partly debatable.
Once I said:

Perhaps, since spam has been being brought by bounties, and 0 merit to become a Jr Member to be able to join Altcoin bounties can be achieved by spamming, +5 merit should be required for newbies to become Jr and increase the Member merit requirement.

Click the quoted message to view the whole post.

[1993jochico]

The Idea of increasing the requirement merit for Jr. Member and Member rank is too good to benefit the forum, it can eliminate those farmers that stacked on Jr. Member and Newbies but in the other side I think there's no need in crease the merit requirement for those hero and legendary its useless now because those rank's will just get an additional merit, It can only cause lack of merit supply because of those high merit requirements.

[sitnikov]

Hello,

I was just reading this thread... and I was wondering if what you're saying is true? Can someone really get 1 merit per day easily? It seems like a rather difficult goal.

I've perviewed many threads on here and rarely do I see the green italics above a post denoting someone was merited.

The system has only been in place for 44 days and there are hundreds of members that have received more than 44 merits so obviously, that is true.

I am sure that even 10 of these will not be members or below. I just remember one member doing this and he got lucky with one of his posts where merits were poured for praising the merit system when it was introduced. At time other members were complaining about the merit system and got negative replies from other members. That new member did the exact opposite and it worked. That pistt was not helpful to anyone , it was merited because senior members agreed to what he was saying.

[Ms Emi]

In my part, there is nothing wrong with the merit calculation of Mr. Theymos but one thing that concern me is the part where we can have merits, if there's events for newbies to Jr. Member to join wherein we can earn them as rewards or something for winning or for the hardwork.

[Mame]

I am not against in merit system created by theymos and for me it is already fair enough and as we can see many members are struggling to gain merit me also, honestly i am not too good in english that is my main reason but for @nullius since he/she is one of the best poster in this forum he/she can get merit easily and not all people are like him/her and i am not agree for the suggestion to increase the required merit to rank up.

[Cobalt9317]

For Christ sake the thread was leading nowhere now.
Open a new thread for signature campaign and posting quality this is not the purpose of this thread.

Signature ad is not a problem in meta section holly molly, at the end of the day we all still talk about getting paid in posting and camp manager is incompetent there's no way it is a problem of this community.

but actmyname is correct they shouldn't be paid for a job they can't suffice/handle.

[yojodojo21]

I've seen more than about 20+ complains about the merit feature, saying that it's too difficult to receive one even thou He/she make a very constructive and quality post, HAHA, what i do, when I want their eyes to be open, is i explain that this merit is for the benefit of the forum and it's members, I challenge them to Search about Nullius, if they Do post Like nullius then complaining is worth of. Maybe they'll get shocked, OH WHAT THE F, Nullius a member before and now a full member and is ripe to be  a senior and  a Hero. HAHA

[Wendigo]

theymos is a genius. He covertly created the most precious forum currency ever. I wonder how much time it would take for merit to get pegged to the Bitcoin value. Inb4 we get a thriving merit market Wooooohooooo guys remember I said it first 

[TMAN]

I agree there should be a change, I don't personally care what it goes to as I don't struggle to gain merits as I am rather controversial in my posts.. others who don't have a niche IE - controversial, great poster or generally popular people may struggle to get to the levels you have suggested.

Even raising the required merits by 20% would be enough to fuck every pajeet shitposter in the arse.. no need to go further than that - 100 extra for hero and 200 for legendary would 100% turn Pajeets into full on monkey spaz merit hate.

[JayJuanGee]

theymos is a genius. He covertly created the most precious forum currency ever. I wonder how much time it would take for merit to get pegged to the Bitcoin value. Inb4 we get a thriving merit market Wooooohooooo guys remember I said it first  

QFT(lack thereof)


I will try to remember that you are coming off as a deceptive exaggeration of an idiot who wants to proclaim doom and gloom while hoping to be correction and failing to recognize value.

[Wendigo]

theymos is a genius. He covertly created the most precious forum currency ever. I wonder how much time it would take for merit to get pegged to the Bitcoin value. Inb4 we get a thriving merit market Wooooohooooo guys remember I said it first  

QFT(lack thereof)


I will try to remember that you are coming off as a deceptive exaggeration of an idiot who wants to proclaim doom and gloom while hoping to be correction and failing to recognize value.

Nice Pajeet's level of grammar skills dude  Suits you very well!