DefaultTrust is BAD. Very bad.

[AndrewWilliams]

Nope, I don't make a thing off of keeping the lending forum free of scammers. 

Not saying if Theymos offered to pay me I wouldn't take it....   

You seek to elevate yourself by putting others down. If you had a REAL interest in keeping scammers away, you would do away with your trollish ways and giving useless assumptions about trust on peoples feedback.

[Vod]

Nope, I don't make a thing off of keeping the lending forum free of scammers. 

Not saying if Theymos offered to pay me I wouldn't take it....   

You seek to elevate yourself by putting others down. If you had a REAL interest in keeping scammers away, you would do away with your trollish ways and giving useless assumptions about trust on peoples feedback.

Thanks for the advice bible boy.   

[AndrewWilliams]

Thanks for the advice bible boy.   

You're welcome Satanic scum. 

[Vod]

Thanks for the advice bible boy.  

You're welcome Satanic scum.  

Sorry bible boy, don't believe in satan - that's a cult figure.  

[BadBear]

You two already have one thread, could you not shit this one up too, thanks.

[Arvicco]

Current trust system is all but useless for any practical purpose. It also creates a false sense of security among newbies. I think it should be scrapped. Or, at least DefaultTrust part. You want to use the trust system, you choose between TheymosTrust and any competing trust list. There are no defaults for everybody.

[Oldminer]

lol @ the 'DefaultTrust' list. Some really shady individuals in that list. Best make your own list of people you know who are trustworthy.

[dserrano5]

lol @ the 'DefaultTrust' list.

Big +1 on this. Please people take a look on who you're trusting by default. Set depth to 0 and pick your specific individuals.

[galbros]

lol @ the 'DefaultTrust' list.

Big +1 on this. Please people take a look on who you're trusting by default. Set depth to 0 and pick your specific individuals.

I did this awhile back and like it much better.  The trust rating is truly my own.  I really don't like the idea of default trust. 

[hilariousandco]

Using your own list is all well and good, but you then can't see how you and everyone else appears to the majority seeing as most people just use default trust as standard.

[Lohoris]

Big +1 on this. Please people take a look on who you're trusting by default. Set depth to 0 and pick your specific individuals.

As long as you set your own, you may increase depth if you want to, as long as they themselves don't trust DefaultTrust, of course.

[DiamondCardz]

Using your own list is all well and good, but you then can't see how you and everyone else appears to the majority seeing as most people just use default trust as standard.

Yeah, this is what stops me from building my own trust list and keeps me on DefaultTrust at depth 2. The people who actually build their own trust list are limited to the minority and those at depth 1 on DefaultTrust.

[Lohoris]

Using your own list is all well and good, but you then can't see how you and everyone else appears to the majority seeing as most people just use default trust as standard.

Yeah, this is what stops me from building my own trust list and keeps me on DefaultTrust at depth 2. The people who actually build their own trust list are limited to the minority and those at depth 1 on DefaultTrust.

I disagree: what's the use-case?

If you are just talking to someone, knowing that some random guy trusts or mistrusts him is irrelevant: more useful to know if someone you picked trusts or mistrusts him.

Instead if you are going to do some business deal with him, you'd better check his full trust anyway: you go to his profile, "show untrusted" and read everything.

Either way, DefaultTrust is useless at best.

[DiamondCardz]

If I flip the finger to DefaultTrust and stop using it for x period of time, then during that x period of time if someone on DefaultTrust gives me a negative trusted feedback I have no way of seeing it, while the vast majority of the forum will see me with a nice little red tag under my name. Say what you like, but that affects any jobs I want to do, businesses I want to create, et cetera.

[Lohoris]

If I flip the finger to DefaultTrust and stop using it for x period of time, then during that x period of time if someone on DefaultTrust gives me a negative trusted feedback I have no way of seeing it, while the vast majority of the forum will see me with a nice little red tag under my name. Say what you like, but that affects any jobs I want to do, businesses I want to create, et cetera.

And that's why you should be requesting for this broken system to be taken down.

[bbxx]

And that's why you should be requesting for this broken system to be taken down.

that is right, such cases too:

beastlymac is at default trust tree

he has scammed my brother for 2.1 btc and put him negative trust
i tried to recover some losses so i got negative trust from him too
he has scammed Mr Jinx, who got his 10 gridseeds at may (13 feb promised delivery), used and with no equipment - jinx lost 3+ BTC
also he got negative trust from beastlymac.

beastlymac should be removed from d. tree and banned for such behaviour, dont you think ?

[galbros]

If I flip the finger to DefaultTrust and stop using it for x period of time, then during that x period of time if someone on DefaultTrust gives me a negative trusted feedback I have no way of seeing it, while the vast majority of the forum will see me with a nice little red tag under my name. Say what you like, but that affects any jobs I want to do, businesses I want to create, et cetera.

It will still appear in your profile though wont it?  Just under untrusted feedback?

I agree though, I guess there does need to be a way to see your "default" profile.  Though my first choice would be no default trust at all.  Users should not join the forums and jump into trading.  People can find out who the mods are and decide for themselves if someone, say, Vod is a champion of the people and bane of scammers or a boob licking troll.  Personally, I think the former, but I'm still not sure I'd send first to him.  (No offense Vod.)

I sometimes think default trust was just designed to get the mods out of the having to determine if they needed to apply the "scammer" tag or not.

I guess I can understand that. 

[Lohoris]

beastlymac should be removed from d. tree and banned for such behaviour, dont you think ?

No, I think there just shouldn't be any default trust, so this wouldn't be an issue anymore.

I agree though, I guess there does need to be a way to see your "default" profile.  Though my first choice would be no default trust at all.  Users should not join the forums and jump into trading.  People can find out who the mods are and decide for themselves if someone, say, Vod is a champion of the people and bane of scammers or a boob licking troll.  Personally, I think the former, but I'm still not sure I'd send first to him.  (No offense Vod.)

Much true.

I sometimes think default trust was just designed to get the mods out of the having to determine if they needed to apply the "scammer" tag or not.
I guess I can understand that.  

Not exact.

The trust system has been designed with that goal in mind, and it would work... but it has been destroyed by this stupid DefaultTrust, and has (needlessly!!!) become something completely different, and deeply broken.

[EFS]

DefaultTrust should be removed.

[DiamondCardz]

I don't think DefaultTrust needs to be removed altogether. But the system should at the very least be changed to make it much less centralized and abusable than it is currently. For instance, the "established members" idea that was used for highlighting the ignore button when people ignored someone. Possibly if a certain amount of established members trusts you, then you would be added to a certain depth of DefaultTrust. This would be quite a high requirement though.