Personal Identity - Message to Theymos

[Tszunami98]

I came across a bounty thread conducted by this gentelman:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=553066

He is the bounty manager and has the following rule in his campaigns:

''-Lastly, By joining on my bounty program, You agree that we might require you to provide KYC at the end of campaign.''

I understand that we came from different parts of the world (he is from the philipines i guess and i am from europe) and we might not have the same understanding of things when it comes to personal identity and the laws around that.

In my opinion he does not reprezent a legal authority to require such information, he most definetly doesen't have the tools to secure that data....let's be honest, there were banks who got hacked by their personal information data...i doubt that a random dude from bitcointalk can secure them better.

My question for Theymos is:

1. Is he allowed to collect personal information from the members of the forum?

Btw, when i asked him if he thinked about the legal aspects of this, he replied ''I didn't forced anybody to join'' or something along this unintelligent line of thought

Edit: i almost forgot...he also requires selfies of people to confirm their identity

I just want to know your opinion on this matter, in case someone decides to join his campaigns and in case this ends up in an identity theft.

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Btw, when i asked him if he thinked about the legal aspects of this, he replied ''I didn't forced anybody to join'' or something along this unintelligent line of thought

Well he's right. Campaigns can state whatever terms they want but it's up to the individual whether they want to accept them and participate. If you're not comfortable with the terms then don't join. It's not just companies that need to abide by KYC laws either. There are usually laws dictating certain rules around private trades etc especially if they're above a certain amount which will often require ID etc. It's only a matter of time before ICOs start to be regulated and need to start abiding by certain laws like KYC as well.

I just want to know your opinion on this matter, in case someone decides to join his campaigns and in case this ends up in an identity theft.

Don't give out this info unless you trust the user or organisation.

[Tszunami98]

Btw, when i asked him if he thinked about the legal aspects of this, he replied ''I didn't forced anybody to join'' or something along this unintelligent line of thought

Well he's right. Campaigns can state whatever terms they want but it's up to the individual whether they want to accept them and participate. If you're not comfortable with the terms then don't join. It's not just companies that need to abide by KYC laws either. There are usually laws dictating certain rules around private trades etc especially if they're above a certain amount which will often require ID etc. It's only a matter of time before ICOs start to be regulated and need to start abiding by certain laws like KYC as well.

I just want to know your opinion on this matter, in case someone decides to join his campaigns and in case this ends up in an identity theft.

Don't give out this info unless you trust the user or organisation.

1. Forcing people to do something is not the only way you can commit crime.

2. Of course i wont participate in this type of campaing

3. KYC is for investors, he is the only one that requires KYC for guys doing retweets and stuff....this could be the norm in the future..i dont know

The purpouse for this thread is to make Theymos aware about this type of behaviour and if he agrees with it taking place on the platform.

Because, if this becomes the norm and personal identity starts flying all over the place...there will be personal identity theft at some point, and people will start looking for someone to blame.

[ribowo76]

For me it's simple, if you feel any objection to the terms proposed regarding KYC, just leave it. Those who own the project, and I believe they will not carelessly make such a rule

[sitnikov]

I came across a bounty thread conducted by this gentelman:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=553066

He is the bounty manager and has the following rule in his campaigns:

''-Lastly, By joining on my bounty program, You agree that we might require you to provide KYC at the end of campaign.''

I understand that we came from different parts of the world (he is from the philipines i guess and i am from europe) and we might not have the same understanding of things when it comes to personal identity and the laws around that.

In my opinion he does not reprezent a legal authority to require such information, he most definetly doesen't have the tools to secure that data....let's be honest, there were banks who got hacked by their personal information data...i doubt that a random dude from bitcointalk can secure them better.

My question for Theymos is:

1. Is he allowed to collect personal information from the members of the forum?

Btw, when i asked him if he thinked about the legal aspects of this, he replied ''I didn't forced anybody to join'' or something along this unintelligent line of thought

Edit: i almost forgot...he also requires selfies of people to confirm their identity

I just want to know your opinion on this matter, in case someone decides to join his campaigns and in case this ends up in an identity theft.

Seeing the competition here among members here for participating in signature campaigns, I think that he will get enough applicants applying for his campaign even with these impractical requirements.

I can understand that if a person is spending money like 1 btc per month for printing his services or produced here, he would like real people making posts here and not some bits. His requirements reflect this but I think that spammers have also gone very smart these days. It is not hard to fake all his requirements.

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1. Forcing people to do something is not the only way you can commit crime.

Nobody is forcing you to do anything.

The purpouse for this thread is to make Theymos aware about this type of behaviour and if he agrees with it taking place on the platform.

Theymos probably doesn't agree with it in the same way he doesn't agree with scamming but people are in charge of their own money and affairs here.

Because, if this becomes the norm and personal identity starts flying all over the place...there will be personal identity theft at some point, and people will start looking for someone to blame.

The people to blame will be those who sent their details to some random person over the internet.

[Tszunami98]

The people to blame will be those who sent their details to some random person over the internet.

Are you aware that we left the dark ages a while back and that the victim cannot be blamed for a crime?

If you give someone your car keys and he runs with your car...you (the owner) are not to blame for the theft of the car...even you were naive enough to trust him and give him the keys

[InvoKing]

The people to blame will be those who sent their details to some random person over the internet.

Are you aware that we left the dark ages a while back and that the victim cannot be blamed for a crime?

No one forced you to join... Do not join, report it if you feel uncomfortable with the terms and pass!
Theymos cannot change the terms for you or for anybody else!

Btw, when i asked him if he thinked about the legal aspects of this, he replied ''I didn't forced anybody to join'' or something along this unintelligent line of thought

Well he's right. Campaigns can state whatever terms they want but it's up to the individual whether they want to accept them and participate. If you're not comfortable with the terms then don't join. It's not just companies that need to abide by KYC laws either. There are usually laws dictating certain rules around private trades etc especially if they're above a certain amount which will often require ID etc. It's only a matter of time before ICOs start to be regulated and need to start abiding by certain laws like KYC as well.

I just want to know your opinion on this matter, in case someone decides to join his campaigns and in case this ends up in an identity theft.

Don't give out this info unless you trust the user or organisation.

1. Forcing people to do something is not the only way you can commit crime.

2. Of course i wont participate in this type of campaing

3. KYC is for investors, he is the only one that requires KYC for guys doing retweets and stuff....this could be the norm in the future..i dont know

The purpouse for this thread is to make Theymos aware about this type of behaviour and if he agrees with it taking place on the platform.

Because, if this becomes the norm and personal identity starts flying all over the place...there will be personal identity theft at some point, and people will start looking for someone to blame.

You already gave your point of view (which i share) so no need to argue more about it.
I personally, would see a regulation done to ICO, a bitcointalk bank (kind of assurance) made by fees given by bounties before posting in bitcointalk.org... I am dreaming maybe.
Close this topic please. There is nothing can be done here.

[fudster]

Just don't join to campaign, you won't be hurt if you don't join. 

Project isn't very promising by the way but if you feel like you want to invest to the project, just buy the token in the exchanges where its listed. Don't push it too hard lol Tap your back for not joining.

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Are you aware that we left the dark ages a while back and that the victim cannot be blamed for a crime?

If you give your money away to some random person on the internet and they run off with it then yes it's your fault. People need to take a certain amount of responsibility for themselves.

If you give someone your car keys and he runs with your car...you (the owner) are not to blame for the theft of the car

Umm... yes, it's your fault. And this is a perfect analogy. Don't give your car keys to someone you don't trust. Also don't give your personal details away to people you don't trust.

[Vod]

''-Lastly, By joining on my bounty program, You agree that we might require you to provide KYC at the end of campaign.''

Selling your private information is just another way these scammers will make money.

Don't participate in any campaigns that ask for info you are not comfortable with giving.

[Foxpup]

Are you aware that we left the dark ages a while back and that the victim cannot be blamed for a crime?

If you give someone your car keys and he runs with your car...you (the owner) are not to blame for the theft of the car...even you were naive enough to trust him and give him the keys

What kind of SJW nonsense is this? If the victim actively provides material assistance to the criminal, they are indeed partially responsible for whatever happens to them. But don't take my word for it: ask your insurance company how quickly they'll reject your theft claim if they find out you willingly give the keys to a complete stranger.

And this is a perfect analogy.

Not quite. Theymos isn't even a party to these dealings; a better analogy would be to blame Ford for not doing anything to make car keys harder to give to strangers.

[LeGaulois]

OP is wrong because KYC is not for investors only, but for participants as well.

''-Lastly, By joining on my bounty program, You agree that we might require you to provide KYC at the end of campaign.''

Selling your private information is just another way these scammers will make money.

Don't participate in any campaigns that ask for info you are not comfortable with giving.

It's because the projects need to abide by the laws, there are several projects like this, with a condition saying they may need your personal information, (usually when you earned above xxx$) Yes, I mean the participants in the ICOs.
It surely depends on what part of the world they are, as laws may be different from countries to countries... There are many startups raising funds using the ICO model, it doesn't mean these startups are not supposed to abide by their laws

Theymos cannot refuse these campaigns because they are following their KYC laws and regulations.

[bisdak40]

I came across a bounty thread conducted by this gentelman:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=553066

He is the bounty manager and has the following rule in his campaigns:

''-Lastly, By joining on my bounty program, You agree that we might require you to provide KYC at the end of campaign.''

I understand that we came from different parts of the world (he is from the philipines i guess and i am from europe) and we might not have the same understanding of things when it comes to personal identity and the laws around that.

In my opinion he does not reprezent a legal authority to require such information, he most definetly doesen't have the tools to secure that data....let's be honest, there were banks who got hacked by their personal information data...i doubt that a random dude from bitcointalk can secure them better.

My question for Theymos is:

1. Is he allowed to collect personal information from the members of the forum?

Btw, when i asked him if he thinked about the legal aspects of this, he replied ''I didn't forced anybody to join'' or something along this unintelligent line of thought

Edit: i almost forgot...he also requires selfies of people to confirm their identity

I just want to know your opinion on this matter, in case someone decides to join his campaigns and in case this ends up in an identity theft.

The good thing that this bounty manager did is that he is implementing such rule of doing KYC even before the campaign has started, not like others who change the rule after the campaign has ended. You have the option to join or not. This KYC thing, in my understanding is Blockeye's own way of combating cheaters or those people who join in his campaign with multiple accounts.

I only hope that Blockeye had a good safe or bank that will keep the information of the people who do the KYC safe from hackers.

[Scam Exposey]

Only account farmers will get worried for that rules and simply if you don't want to give your details then you should leave that campaign for good. There are so many campaigns who doesn't require such thing.

[Rock771]

The people to blame will be those who sent their details to some random person over the internet.

Are you aware that we left the dark ages a while back and that the victim cannot be blamed for a crime?

If you give someone your car keys and he runs with your car...you (the owner) are not to blame for the theft of the car...even you were naive enough to trust him and give him the keys

Dude, we all understand your point. And it's a legit point. There could be a trend now where there are KYC bounties exclusively on Bitcointalk. Scary days.

It's just that, the admins can't do shit about it. Just look at this ridiculous scenario: BitcoinTalk bans all KYC campaigns... <-- just wtf is that? That sounds even more ridiculous than having a KYC campaign.

I can't even see the rationale there: It's like, "we want everything to be anonymous on bitcointalk, so we're banning any campaigns requiring ID verification." That not only affects sig campaigns, but also affects the Marketplace section where people with PayPal accounts are required to show ID....

[SaltySpitoon]

I fail to see what the concern is. People have been asking ridiculous things on here forever, whether its that you send them a difficult to trace and non refundable currency without any accountability, or for personal information. The answer is the same to both, don't. If all of the signature advertising managers decide to start requiring ID, don't join. There are so many ways to fake your identification, I don't think that it'll do them much good to try and restrict people that way anyway.

Are they allowed to ask anyone that wants to join for a 1 BTC deposit? Sure! Doesn't mean anyone will be gullible enough to give it to them. (at least I hope not)