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This has been something that has bothered me for awhile and I can't find anything that resembles what I'm attempting to do in this thread. Browser Mining is something that can be helpful, innovative and unobtrusive when used in the right way. It is too often that I bump into a site looking to read a news article for Bitcoin, stream a show or play a browser game and my computer seems to be running more intensely than it should. I feel that too many sites are abusing Browser Mining, or at least uninformed as to what would be deemed acceptable by their users; for this reason I am interested in compiling a list of the sites that use Browser Mining and creating comments, discussion or consensus about their usage of it. This way we can gather some acceptable and unacceptable examples to reference and use as starting points for other endeavors. Now, I do not have a list, so this is where the community comes in. I am simply willing to maintain this list and extremely interested in the findings of it. I would like suggestions for how to go about investigation, verification of accusations and formatting of this thread. Please, chip in helpfully where you are able to do so. The idea for this thread was provoked from : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3123275.0 and too many situations in which I am retroactively feeling as though there was mining taking place without being informed/consenting. Sites "accused" - Comments :50bitcoin.com bitcoinsbest.com bitcoin-people.com bitcoin4.us bitcoinflood.com bitcoinforfree.co bitcoinmyfaucet.com bitcoinmyway.com cryptojackingtest.com crypto-universe.net cryptoforum.co.uk cryptoways.com cryptoworld.io ecryptomining.com mycrypto.co.in moonbit.co.in playforcrypto.com Sites "verified" - Comments/Description : Sites no-longer using mining (AFAIK) thepiratebay.org Side-Note : Is this the right section for this?
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50bitcoin.com bitcoinsbest.com bitcoin-people.com bitcoin4.us bitcoinflood.com bitcoinforfree.co bitcoinmyfaucet.com bitcoinmyway.com cryptojackingtest.com crypto-universe.net cryptoforum.co.uk cryptoways.com cryptoworld.io ecryptomining.com mycrypto.co.in moonbit.co.in thepiratebay.org
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Can you show me a website currently using this method In your post you referer about a site for a news article for Bitcoin, you are talking about a small to medium blog, right?
And secondly, aren't the antivirus blocking or flagging these websites?
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What to do with a decent sized list...
Browser add-on that warns users the website they're visiting mines?
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And secondly, aren't the antivirus blocking or flagging these websites?
Most of the major ones are. For example, I'm using uBlock Origin and coinhive is blocked by default. There are also a few chrome extensions that do the trick (i.e No Coin), and a few ready-to-use host files that block most of the major mining script websites.
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March 18, 2018, 01:54:41 PM |
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Can you show me a website currently using this method In your post you referer about a site for a news article for Bitcoin, you are talking about a small to medium blog, right?
And secondly, aren't the antivirus blocking or flagging these websites?
I have updated OP with Spazzer's list they have begun to compile. The most notable site being thepiratebay. I cannot remember the name of the news site, but it was one of the first when I was searching about Lightning or Segwit (Can't remember which, was researching both that night). It was so bad, that I could not read the article on their site; I had to Copy+Paste the article into a word document and close the web-page, because my computer was lagging/fans were speeding up. Most people I know do not run antivirus software, but yes I believe some companies are flagging some sites. What to do with a decent sized list...
Browser add-on that warns users the website they're visiting mines?
Witch hunt! ![Shocked](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/shocked.gif) I don't know exactly, but Spazzer has a thread suggesting ways to block these scripts : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3123275.0We can possibly contact the site owners or developers for discussion about their use/abuse of browser mining. We can avoid the sites, we can create better scripts to block their miners; the list goes on and on and other people may have a better use for this than I do.
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Do you also need websites that asks their users to mine voluntarily or just websites that mines without their users knowing? I know a few websites that ask their users to mine voluntarily as a donation to the website (User can opt-out if they are uncomfortable) We can possibly contact the site owners or developers for discussion about their use/abuse of browser mining. We can avoid the sites, we can create better scripts to block their miners; the list goes on and on and other people may have a better use for this than I do.
Basically adblock 2.0, we use them to block ads and website owner started to put anti-adblock messages, and now Adblock has anti-adblock message removal ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Do you also need websites that asks their users to mine voluntarily or just websites that mines without their users knowing? I know a few websites that ask their users to mine voluntarily as a donation to the website (User can opt-out if they are uncomfortable)
A different section for this would be great. Or at least create a table column for this right next to the comments/description - i.e "asks for permission?". If the list gets too big, I can check a few websites to see what they are doing. I have no problems in letting the website use my CPU to mine while I'm browsing it. BUT only if they warn me and ask for my approval. Otherwise, they will lose a visitor ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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March 18, 2018, 09:32:26 PM |
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btw thepiratebay.org isn't showing that there's any mining going on. I've tried all the pages until downloading the torrent file and still nothing.
Also I've tried a bunch of torrenting websites and on these the addons reacted:
- extratorrent.cd/ - pirateiro.com/
Streaming websites:
- filmclub.tv/ - prospice.surge.sh/
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btw thepiratebay.org isn't showing that there's any mining going on. I've tried all the pages until downloading the torrent file and still nothing.
I thought Piratebay stopped their miner when there's a huge community backlash against them last year? Anyway, as I've said on my last post, here are two additional websites that uses miner, but it's optional and the user can turn them off if they want to http://fitgirl-repacks.site/donate-by-mining/https://donateyourtab.to/https://www.charitymine.org/
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btw thepiratebay.org isn't showing that there's any mining going on. I've tried all the pages until downloading the torrent file and still nothing.
I thought Piratebay stopped their miner when there's a huge community backlash against them last year? I find it's hit and miss I got a positive for it the other day, but as I check it now nothing.
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March 19, 2018, 03:33:46 PM |
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Do you also need websites that asks their users to mine voluntarily or just websites that mines without their users knowing? I know a few websites that ask their users to mine voluntarily as a donation to the website (User can opt-out if they are uncomfortable)
It would be nice if you included these sites, and I could add a separate little section within OP to accommodate for this. These sites would be a good example for the more malicious examples. thepiratebay.org isn't showing that there's any mining going on.
Also I've tried a bunch of torrenting websites and on these the addons reacted:
I'm pretty positive that TPB has ceased it's mining operations, because there was too many pissed off users. That doesn't mean we should let them off the hook in terms of having this discussion or figuring out an ethical implementation of this sort of thing. Thanks for your sites, they will be added to OP.
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I'd like to mention a site, playforcrypto.com
Now, they openly said that they have a web browser mining tool that is enabled, and can be blocked, so I want to state this. It is basically a chat website where you can also play games to earn crypto. They have been good, but every since they enabled web mining via browser, which is supposed to be optional, my javascript blocker keeps giving me errors AND the script still appears to mine even though I block it. This may not be intentional at all, and I raised it in chat, but maybe some attention can be given here.
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I would like suggestions for how to go about investigation, verification of accusations and formatting of this thread.
- For verification, a simple screenshot of the changes to CPU usage, can be good enough (while monitoring it using the "Resource Monitor" or other similar programs). - In regards to formatting, perhaps we should remove websites that no longer use it and instead, have them in a separate section/list (this way we could easily scroll the list and also save some spaces). ex. List of websites that no longer use browser mining: thepiratebay.org and so on...
Found a website that has compiled a lot of these websites (tested and some of them, no longer use it): The List of Top Alexa Websites With Web-Mining Code Embedded on Their Homepage* List (2/8/2018)
Should we only list crypto related websites or others too?
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Can you show me a website currently using this method In your post you referer about a site for a news article for Bitcoin, you are talking about a small to medium blog, right?
And secondly, aren't the antivirus blocking or flagging these websites?
I have updated OP with Spazzer's list they have begun to compile. The most notable site being thepiratebay. I cannot remember the name of the news site, but it was one of the first when I was searching about Lightning or Segwit (Can't remember which, was researching both that night). It was so bad, that I could not read the article on their site; I had to Copy+Paste the article into a word document and close the web-page, because my computer was lagging/fans were speeding up. Most people I know do not run antivirus software, but yes I believe some companies are flagging some sites. So I suppose you noticed it on a crypto-news website and at least a medium to large. it's a shame to try to earn pennies with your traffic like this way. Even using adfly would be better. Wonder how much they're making with this... I don't perfectly know how this method works but I believe instead to use a list by putting the domain name in your host file would be more radical or installing NoJS
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March 21, 2018, 07:04:51 PM |
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- For verification, a simple screenshot of the changes to CPU usage, can be good enough (while monitoring it using the "Resource Monitor" or other similar programs).
- In regards to formatting, perhaps we should remove websites that no longer use it and instead, have them in a separate section/list (this way we could easily scroll the list and also save some spaces).
Found a website that has compiled a lot of these websites (tested and some of them, no longer use it):
Should we only list crypto related websites or others too?
Do you think that looking at CPU usage would be sufficient for this kind of thing? I'm thinking a lot of poorly programmed sites, that simply use more resources than they should might get accused with that criteria. It might be a good place to start though. I agree to the formatting suggestion, and I will change OP accordingly once I get a minute. I'm also going to go through that list that you linked and see if it is reasonable to incorporate that into my OP or simply link to it and create this list in addition to that. I think we should add all websites, because TPB isn't particularly related to crypto currency; it still has a significant impact in and on the cryptocurrency community. I'd like to mention a site, playforcrypto.com
Thank you for your suggestion, added to OP, with your comments taken into consideration.
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March 22, 2018, 02:57:22 AM |
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Do you think that looking at CPU usage would be sufficient for this kind of thing? I'm thinking a lot of poorly programmed sites, that simply use more resources than they should might get accused with that criteria. It might be a good place to start though.
Fair point. Perhaps any website that uses more than 15% of the CPU (constant usage), should be checked.
To have accurate results, we can simply look at the source codes of each > finding the keywords like "coinhive"/"webmine" and few others (as shown on the previous link that I posted)...
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So I suppose you noticed it on a crypto-news website and at least a medium to large. it's a shame to try to earn pennies with your traffic like this way. Even using adfly would be better. Wonder how much they're making with this...
I don't perfectly know how this method works but I believe instead to use a list by putting the domain name in your host file would be more radical or installing NoJS
I agree, this is quite a shameful practice when it is done in the manner that it currently is. Behind closed doors, without informed consent and excessively overloading hardware. All for minimal gains, while lagging their clients into oblivion and making regular usage of their site unbearable. It ultimately drives people away, and quickly; I don't understand how any business can see this as a feasible alternative. It can be done correctly, but it seems as though no thought has been put into it at all. If there has been any thought put into it, it was the wrong kind of thought, for sure. Installing NoJS might do the trick, but that's not a good option for most people. Perhaps any website that uses more than 15% of the CPU (constant usage), should be checked.
To have accurate results, we can simply look at the source codes of each > finding the keywords like "coinhive"/"webmine" and few others (as shown on the previous link that I posted)...
This might not be what you were trying to say, but it brings me to an interesting thought. Since you say 15%+ should be checked, would it be safe to say that 10% CPU usage, if these sites were to implement mining, would be acceptable to you? I agree though, more than 15% is certainly suspect, and if it is a consistent % of differing CPUs then it would seem that is a red-flag towards mining for sure. That might be a good test criteria, if you are suspicious of a site mining keep track of the % it uses of your CPU and compare it to another CPU, whether it be through another user or another one of your own devices. Would this work to any extent? I fear that some might be tricky and program these things themselves, to avoid the anti-virus crackdown and the regular blocking of CoinHive scripts and similar bigger names in this sort of thing.
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Can you show me a website currently using this method In your post you referer about a site for a news article for Bitcoin, you are talking about a small to medium blog, right?
And secondly, aren't the antivirus blocking or flagging these websites?
Eset NOD32 Antivirus do perfectly works with this one on my side.It does detect CoinMiner script when i do tried to access these sites that do have background mining.Thank you for the list and i didnt expect that there were lots of them on having that hidden agenda on using up CPU usage without your awareness.
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March 23, 2018, 08:06:45 AM |
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This might not be what you were trying to say, but it brings me to an interesting thought. Since you say 15%+ should be checked, would it be safe to say that 10% CPU usage, if these sites were to implement mining, would be acceptable to you?
I wouldn't mind a 10% CPU usage (as long as they inform everyone). I agree though, more than 15% is certainly suspect, and if it is a consistent % of differing CPUs then it would seem that is a red-flag towards mining for sure. That might be a good test criteria, if you are suspicious of a site mining keep track of the % it uses of your CPU and compare it to another CPU, whether it be through another user or another one of your own devices. Would this work to any extent?
If by asking "if this works", you meant in terms of identifying their illegal usage of the CPU's, then the gathered information would be pretty much the same (that's why I mentioned checking the source codes [for accurate result]).
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