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March 17, 2018, 12:46:53 AM
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So I'm confused. When people say do not use SATA risers. Don't all risers come with SATA connectors? Can someone explain to me?
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March 17, 2018, 01:38:11 AM
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we had the same error with our miners

the riser should sized perfectly for sata power source of the power supply-

 we had max 2 riser at one cable

the cable get really hot , our miners are all in air condition

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Hi guys,

Today it seems I fried my Asrock H110 Pro BTC+ mobo... Damage on the 12 connected GPUs I still have to assess Sad

The connector of one of the 3 power supply cables to the mobo caught fire. Luckily I had the reflex to pull the power cord from the socket the moment I saw the flames... You can see the damage in this picture. The connector and part of the power cable have melted and the mobo is scorched.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/44e5scw4gkqxfwv/Foto%2015-03-18%2019%2022%2020.jpg

Before replacing the mobo, I want to know what went wrong. I don't want to die in a fire because my rig acts up at night.

The wiring scheme:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vv8s1lhvuuvcojh/rig%20sata-molex.png
The red line indicates the wire that caught fire.

What happened:
- I shut down my rig using remote desktop
- After a minute, I went to check if it was really shut down in the other room. I wasn't, it was on fire.

What I think happened: the mobo shut down PSU1, together with the connected GPUs to that PSU. However, somehow PSU2 failed to shut down, still powering the GPUs.
The GPUs tried to draw power from the mobo, which was only supplied by the one power line from PSU2 which got overloaded and caught fire.

Any thoughts on this?
So what is your solution then? I got two rigs and the first one has the ideal setup. It runs corsair hxi series and each gpu / riser pair is both connected to the same single cable. On my second rig I got EVGA psu, but since - unlike corsair - they're missing a double 6+2 pin I had to connect the risers with extra cables. Risers are still powered by molex however I had to use an adapter to sata and one cable powers now two risers. Should I avoid it and buy more 6pin cables?
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March 24, 2018, 01:37:35 AM
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I have read a popular post before from an "electrical engineer" making the same claims as you. The flaw is that most risers still draw power from the MB, if they didn't then you would be correct. Have you ever tested this out? If OP had the PSU powering the MB connected to all the risers, and the MB molex coming from the same PSU that powered the MB 24pin/12v.  then he never would have ran into a issue.  

I don't think MB manufacturers have got this wrong, I think you've got it wrong. Some boards will not post with more than 3-4x GPUs without a molex plugged in.  It's only a problem if the molex you are using is coming from the PSU that's not plugged into the motherboards 24pin/12v connector.  

I've said it before and I'll say it again, you do NOT need to use the Molex connector on any motherboard when powered risers are used. Doing so is dangerous as seen in this case. Built in safety nets are bypassed when using that out-of-spec setup. There is very little power draw through the USB riser cable. It's primary function is to pass data, not power. If there is more than a couple watts passing through, then the powered riser is not doing it's job and is junk. The molex connector design on MB's was only put in place to facilitate multi GPU's directly connected in the slots for Crossfire/SLI configurations on Gaming MB's that had two or more cards running in the full length slots. It is an unnecessary design to have it on a mining board with 1x slot when powered risers are used. Molex connectors weren't even designed to exceed 36 watts so it's pointless to even have one molex boost 12 PCIE slots, it would theoretically only supply 3 watts per slot anyway. It is a design flaw that the Chinese just winged at and completely ignored the power limits and design standards of the components used. This fire hazard could have been avoided if the molex connector simply had not been used. The MB would have likely just shut down in the OP's situation instead of running current through an unmonitored bus. I would be more worried about having a separate switching PSU power the GPU PCIE 12V bus than the 6/8 pin 12V PSU. There's two high current differentials waiting to create a disaster right within the GPU itself.


Some motherboards will not post when more than 3 or 4 cards are plugged into, without a molex connector plugged into the MB, it's programmed into the bios. eg most x99 boards are like this.  What are you suppose to do then? tbh I don't really care about molex and mbs. I'm only interested in dual psu configurations

I have a multiple rigs setup that use 1x PSU for MB + risers, and the 1xPSU to power the 6/8pin, they have been running for over 6 months .  I originally read that post linked below from mid 2017 by the "electrical engineer" and set my first rig up so that each riser + card was powered by one PSU and the other PSU was used to only power the Motherboard.  After turning on the PSU that was powering the riser/ cards, and turning on the PSU that was powering the MB, my motherboard started smoking.  I thought i'd fried it!

When I started reading other posts about dual PSU's problems, all the problems came from people who were mixing and matching PSUs, and had a combination of different PSUs powering the risers and MB. I then came across a video from the pop Youtuber- "Bits Be Trippin" who said to use the same PSU for MB & risers, and then the slave PSU for the 6/8pin, otherwise you run the risk of creating ground loops.  That dude would have built 100s of dual PSU rigs.  How many have you built? After following this advice I've never had any issues running dual PSUs( I have 8x rigs ranging from 7 to 12 cards each)

You said above that "There is very little power draw through the USB riser cable". Even if there is very little power draw, this is still power draw. So the assumption that there is no power connection between the riser and motherboard is false.Please think about this some more.

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March 24, 2018, 01:45:09 AM
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Did some more research on the right way to configure a dual PSU setup. This Biostar 12 GPU dual PSU mining setup guide states:

http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/kr/event/crypto_mining/page4_2.htm

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**The power cable for riser card and power cable for graphics card must come from same power supply uint.

http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/kr/event/crypto_mining/images/page4_21.jpg

Given Biostar makes mining motherboards, USB riser kits, GPU's and they also have a financial incentive not to warranty thiose products, I believe they have an objective view on how to setup dual power supplies correctly. So I accept powering the riser and GPU with the same PSU is the correct way.

I just rewired the risers and cards on my rigs so that the riser and VGA power connector on the cards are on the same PSU. The power consumptin from both type of setups is the same. The same Biostar mining guide also says you should only use a max of 2 risers per PSU power cable.

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*Each power cable from power supply is limited to be connected to 2 graphics cards or 2 PCI-Ex16 riser cards.

http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/kr/event/crypto_mining/images/page4_20.png http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/kr/event/crypto_mining/images/page4_19.jpg

On a side note I want to say that I ran my dual and triple PSU rigs with all the risers connected to PSU that powers the motherboard and the secondary PSU only powering the VGA 6/8 pin power under a heavy dual mining load 24/7 for almost a year and nothing bad came from it and my rigs are very stable.

But this is for a specific Biostar mining board. They are also suggesting to plug 2x molex connectors directly into the MB, which according to Viperguy is a big no no/ fire hazard.
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March 24, 2018, 02:01:46 AM
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Helps if you read the manual (which is actually very well written). Im surprised how many ppl dont.
On Page 23:
https://s10.postimg.org/9z2c6150p/Capture.png

http://asrock.pc.cdn.bitgravity.com/Manual/H110%20Pro%20BTC+.pdf


2.7 PCIe Power Connector Installation Guide

The two extra 4-pin power connectors on this motherboard offer more power for your graphics
cards. They provide stable voltages and greatly reduce the risks of burning your motherboard
or graphics cards.

When more than three graphics cards are installed, be sure to install the PSU’s 4-pin
power cables to the 4-pin power connectors (PCIE_PWR) on your
motherboard; otherwise, the cards may be damaged.

Please MUST install TWO PSU’s 4-pin power cables to your MB’s TWO 4-pin power
connectors.

^ More from the Asrock H110 Pro BTC+ manual

As Bigjee has pointed out, the ASrock manually clearly states that all power connections must be coming from the same PSU and that when more than 3 cards are being used you must ensure the two 4pin( molex) are connected to the Motherboard.

Looking at the diagram OP has posted, it appears he is correctly connecting the 2x additional 4pin molex power connectors into the Motherboard from the same PSU that is powering the motherboard ATX12v/ 24pin (PSU1).  BUT he is also connecting an additional 4pin power connector from (PSU2) into the motherboard! So no wonder it caught fire. - https://www.dropbox.com/s/vv8s1lhvuuvcojh/rig%20sata-molex.png
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March 24, 2018, 02:15:03 AM
Last edit: March 24, 2018, 03:21:49 PM by Vann
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Did some more research on the right way to configure a dual PSU setup. This Biostar 12 GPU dual PSU mining setup guide states:

http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/kr/event/crypto_mining/page4_2.htm

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**The power cable for riser card and power cable for graphics card must come from same power supply uint.



Given Biostar makes mining motherboards, USB riser kits, GPU's and they also have a financial incentive not to warranty thiose products, I believe they have an objective view on how to setup dual power supplies correctly. So I accept powering the riser and GPU with the same PSU is the correct way.

I just rewired the risers and cards on my rigs so that the riser and VGA power connector on the cards are on the same PSU. The power consumptin from both type of setups is the same. The same Biostar mining guide also says you should only use a max of 2 risers per PSU power cable.

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*Each power cable from power supply is limited to be connected to 2 graphics cards or 2 PCI-Ex16 riser cards.



On a side note I want to say that I ran my dual and triple PSU rigs with all the risers connected to PSU that powers the motherboard and the secondary PSU only powering the VGA 6/8 pin power under a heavy dual mining load 24/7 for almost a year and nothing bad came from it and my rigs are very stable.

But this is for a specific Biostar mining board. They are also suggesting to plug 2x molex connectors directly into the MB, which according to Viperguy is a big no no/ fire hazard.

The molex connectors on the motherboard are for supplemental 12V power to PCI-E slots. Specifically when using unpowered risers so that you don't burn up the traces on the motherboard or the thin wires on the 24-pin ATX connector from pulling too much 12V power when mining with multiple cards. Powered risers don't pull 12V from the PCI-E slot, they get it from the power connector on the riser, so there is no need to use the PCI-E supplemental power molex connectors o the motherboard. You can plug in the PCI-E  supplemental power molex connectors on the motherboard when using powered risers, but it really doesn't make a difference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8tSXTqJVxQ&feature=youtu.be&t=2026

As far as the power going from the motherboard to the riser, there is only 3.3V going from the motherboard PCI-E slot to the riser through the USB cable, whether the riser uses that or produces it's own 3.3V is debatable, but I now think connecting the power on the riser to the same PSU as the power to the 6/8 pin PCI-E connectors on the card is the correct way. With dual PSU rigs, BBT now also powers the risers with the same PSU as the 6/8-Pin connectors on the cards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8tSXTqJVxQ&feature=youtu.be&t=3799

What's also important when using two or more PSU's is they all share the same ground as motherboard. Using the ATX splitter cables joins the grounds automatically and all the PSU's turn on and off at the same time automatically.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/NOTAYO-30cm-24pin-ATX-Power-Supply-Adapter-Cable-Connector-for-Mining-24Pin-20-4pin-Dual-PSU/32827619053.html?
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March 26, 2018, 12:08:07 AM
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Did some more research on the right way to configure a dual PSU setup. This Biostar 12 GPU dual PSU mining setup guide states:

http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/kr/event/crypto_mining/page4_2.htm

Quote
**The power cable for riser card and power cable for graphics card must come from same power supply uint.

http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/kr/event/crypto_mining/images/page4_21.jpg

Given Biostar makes mining motherboards, USB riser kits, GPU's and they also have a financial incentive not to warranty thiose products, I believe they have an objective view on how to setup dual power supplies correctly. So I accept powering the riser and GPU with the same PSU is the correct way.

I just rewired the risers and cards on my rigs so that the riser and VGA power connector on the cards are on the same PSU. The power consumptin from both type of setups is the same. The same Biostar mining guide also says you should only use a max of 2 risers per PSU power cable.

Quote
*Each power cable from power supply is limited to be connected to 2 graphics cards or 2 PCI-Ex16 riser cards.

http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/kr/event/crypto_mining/images/page4_20.png http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/kr/event/crypto_mining/images/page4_19.jpg

On a side note I want to say that I ran my dual and triple PSU rigs with all the risers connected to PSU that powers the motherboard and the secondary PSU only powering the VGA 6/8 pin power under a heavy dual mining load 24/7 for almost a year and nothing bad came from it and my rigs are very stable.

But this is for a specific Biostar mining board. They are also suggesting to plug 2x molex connectors directly into the MB, which according to Viperguy is a big no no/ fire hazard.

The molex connectors on the motherboard are for supplemental 12V power to PCI-E slots. Specifically when using unpowered risers so that you don't burn up the traces on the motherboard or the thin wires on the 24-pin ATX connector from pulling too much 12V power when mining with multiple cards. Powered risers don't pull 12V from the PCI-E slot, they get it from the power connector on the riser, so there is no need to use the PCI-E supplemental power molex connectors o the motherboard. You can plug in the PCI-E  supplemental power molex connectors on the motherboard when using powered risers, but it really doesn't make a difference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8tSXTqJVxQ&feature=youtu.be&t=2026

As far as the power going from the motherboard to the riser, there is only 3.3V going from the motherboard PCI-E slot to the riser through the USB cable, whether the riser uses that or produces it's own 3.3V is debatable, but I now think connecting the power on the riser to the same PSU as the power to the 6/8 pin PCI-E connectors on the card is the correct way. With dual PSU rigs, BBT now also powers the risers with the same PSU as the 6/8-Pin connectors on the cards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8tSXTqJVxQ&feature=youtu.be&t=3799

What's also important when using two or more PSU's is they all share the same ground as motherboard. Using the ATX splitter cables joins the grounds automatically and all the PSU's turn on and off at the same time automatically.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/NOTAYO-30cm-24pin-ATX-Power-Supply-Adapter-Cable-Connector-for-Mining-24Pin-20-4pin-Dual-PSU/32827619053.html?

So in biostar manual says to connect the riser and gpu power to the same psu. Right?

"**The power cable for riser card and power cable for graphics card must come from same power supply uint."

http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/kr/event/crypto_mining/page4_2.htm

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