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The material in this essay is for educational purposes only and not to be construed as legal advice about what you should or should not do. The information herein is to assist you in performing your own due diligence before implementing any strategy.

SOVEREIGNTY: THE COLD HARD FACTS

As it is said, there are only two kinds of people in this country, on the planet and universally – debtors
or creditors. Put another way; free people or slaves.

As County singer Waylon Jennings used to sing; “Some people are born to be tied down - some people are born to be free ...” And as you may know, many have longed for their sovereignty! Since 1776 from the supposed intent of the formation of this country, by the agents of England and since the implementation of their agendas which has either merged with or is merely a camouflaged ‘program’, has resulted in a socialized democracy, still under British control and a program of mere subjection and servitude.

But the students of history already know that in 1861, Abraham Lincoln imposed Martial Law, which remains in force today and the bankruptcy of 1933 continued the program of subjugation of the American people to a lesser class of debtor/slaves ruled by a corporate de-facto government of and by the elite and openly denying the people their guaranteed right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness!

Sovereignty has been blatantly left out of the American history books for the last 70 years. Why?
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Download Free PDF Book: THE INTERNATIONAL SOVEREIGN'S ASSOCIATION HANDBOOK  (pdf) http://tinyurl.com/isa-booklet
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. --Declaration of Independence
Now is indeed the time for all good men and women to come to the aid of their country. Our founding fathers expect nothing less of us and the world has never been in more dire need of a renewed patriotism. We must use the constitution and the bill of rights for what they were designed to do: govern our country from within the private sector.

There are a lot of people out there that don't seem to be exercising what should come naturally to us all; common sense. Do you remember what you learned about America in grade school? How they showed you how the American government was organized by the founding fathers to ensure freedom and equality for all people and that the judiciary is designed to allow for fairness in resolving discrepancies between the people?
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Watch: Are you Sovereign Yet? (preview) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5cphXPv6yk
How about when you got out in the real world and found out that your local city and State governments seemed to function as if they were foreign to your country? Was it just you or did everyone feel the same way? Did you figure that what they taught you in school was a lie and that real world was just a big military camp? Did you start to hate the government and the country you were born in? Or did you fantasize that the various governments in this country were always right no matter what because they are more qualified to make decisions for the ignorant masses?

Well, we all make mistakes. Believe me, you are forgiven, Just as long as you didn't hurt or ruin anybody's life as a result of your mistaken beliefs. Let’s start at the beginning.
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Download Free PDF Book: The Global Sovereign Handbook click -> http://tinyurl.com/4pbekjb

What is your birthright and inheritance?
If you were born on the continental landmass of North America, more specifically, one of the fifty States, united, then you have the birthright to an inheritance that no foreign corporation can claim: American civilian citizenship and the Constitution by which the American sovereigns govern their servants.

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the Republic for the united States of America http://republicfortheunitedstates.org/

You came down the chute, most likely, in a port of entry into this country and were confronted with customs agents before you met your mother. They took full advantage of your mother's vulnerability from the birthing process and convinced her emotional mind that she had to enter into very specifically designed contracts to be in compliance with "the law". Yes, that ambiguous "it's the laaaaaw" that everyone seems to sheepishly agree with. But do these queer folk really know the law or are they just a bunch of cowardly peasants that would rather live their lives by television lies and die by pharmaceutical poison and exhaustion from paying excessive taxes?

Back then you had to be a counterculture drop out living in a retired school bus on commune in the back woods if you wanted to have a truly free American baby. These days it is a lot easier to protect our offspring from the customs agents at the hospitals; thanks to the groundwork that has been done by all of the red-blooded American patriots and Constitutionalists that believe that this country has a heart of gold, and dug through the law books to find it. So here's a good time to give a very special thanks people like David-Wynn:Miller www.dwmlc.com Bob:Hallstrom, Howard:Freeman, the Behold group, Anti-Shyster, and all of the schools and support groups like www.worldnewsstand.net that believe that this revolution can be won in the courtrooms without bloodshed.

What most people don't realize is that the birth certificates are considered by the governments to be title to the body of the individual whose name is on it, a contract with implied status: State property. The SS# is an account set up to manage money borrowed using the birth certificate as collateral, the implication is that you are liable for the repayment of the debt.
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Another way to look at it is as if the Birth Certificate is the equivalent to a business license (an artificial person) which can make no claim for human rights. Why does your baby need a certificate of registration and a debt management account?
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These things are a matter of choice and it's as easy as saying, "We haven't decided the baby's name yet, and we’ll fill out those papers later.” (tossing them in the circular file) “By the way, we object to you registering this birth on our behalf, if you do it will constitute fraud, thank you.”

If you did a home birth and your midwife didn't crack under false sense of conscience you might have a truly sovereign American child in your life. This is a very special blessing because these children do not have to bear the burden of the National debt. They are not like all the rest. They can be brought up in knowledge of what it really means to be free.

The bottom line is that we are indeed all living souls in soil-born American bodies. Most of us just don’t know what it really means to be sovereign or how to claim that status.

So I am going to try to break it down for you; Because, if you know the truth and take the right approach, you can dispel the darkness of ignorance with the light of the knowledge...cockroaches always run from the light. Continue reading: http://www.sovereign-citizenship.net/04_usinc.html
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"Sovereignty is the KEY concept around which all political, economic and legal systems revolve". Until the Declaration of independence, the only Sovereigns were the King and the Pope. The first recourse the people had to the Sovereign authority was the Magna Carta in 1215. Sovereigns operate their commercial and business affairs through Trust structures. The Monarch (King and Queen) of England set up a Sovereign Trust out of which the British Empire came. All the Assetts and the Banks and the Parliaments were all subject to that Trust. When OUR country was set up, the Citizen was Sovereign. We the people, are the Parent, the government is the Child. If we are to remain Sovereign as a Nation, we must have Sovereign States, and without Sovereign Citizens, there is no Sovereign State.

The people behind the scenes, controlling the power structures throughout the world, are themselves Sovereign. If they weren't Sovereign they would be subject to all the same rules and regulations as the rest of the people. There are different classes of Citizenship. What is the difference between a State Citizen, an American National or a Sui Juris Freeperson? The U.S. citizen did not exist until the 14th Amendment in 1868. Before that everyone was a citizen of one of the several States. The State Citizens held their land in Allodium (Free & clear), and no one could take it away from them. These people were "KINGS" in their own "Castles".

U.S. citizens did not have a right to a trial by jury until 1967. When you get a birth certificate you become property of the federal united states. You're birth certificate is transferred to the bureau of census, and the Dept. of Commerce and you are enrolled as a beneficiary of the federal reserve system and you become obligated to the national debt. The Social Security Number, Driver's licenses, vehicle registration, marriage licences, incorporation papers, and business licenses are all adhesion contracts and each one gives up a little bit more of your rights. The Birth Certificates,  were transferred by Jimmy Carter over to the Federal Reserve system as collateral for the national debt.
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Take the time (about 2 hours) to watch: "Are you a Sovereign Yet? (1995)" This is that missing history lesson that will change the way you think about your freedom, forever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYYiv0w9Vk0&playnext=1&list=PL4FDFA323AAFE4C2D  

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IMPORTANT DOCUMENTS FOR YOUR PATH TO SOVEREIGNTY

All forms and instructions are in these pdfs/docs.
Best if done while listening to Tim Turner talk about how to do this (this is his workbook from 2009)
You will need to doc files to print out the forms. Search for the form names on the web, i.e. UCC1, and use the real forms. These are just examples of how to fill these out.

Tim Turner Freedom Seminar, March 2009 http://www.youhavetheright.com/videos/
Mp3 files to assist while your filling out these forms (3 days of classes) download here: http://www.moneyonaccount.com/

Section one doc format http://tinyurl.com/ttsection1
Section one pdf format http://tinyurl.com/ttsection1pdf

Section two doc format http://tinyurl.com/ttsection2doc
Section one pdf format http://tinyurl.com/ttsection2pdf

More: http://www.legalstatusrus.com/docdownload.html



CITIZENS RULE BOOK http://tinyurl.com/sov-citizen
Allodial Titles and Land Patents (pdf) http://tinyurl.com/allodial-titles-and-land-pat
Office of the Person (pdf) http://tinyurl.com/office-of-the-person
Sovereignty Forms and Instructions (pdf) http://tinyurl.com/sov-forms
The Exemption (pdf) http://tinyurl.com/the-exemption
Self inking stamp for redemption 2007 WEB Catalog (pdf) http://tinyurl.com/stamp-for-redemption
THE INTERNATIONAL SOVEREIGN'S ASSOCIATION  (pdf) http://sites.google.com/site/americansbulletin/ISA_BOOKLET.pdf?attredirects=0

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When I was in grade 3 (1957), my teacher was telling us about Magellan being the first white man to circum-navigate the globe. This wasn’t particularly difficult for me to accept and yet, suddenly, I sat back in my chair and looked at my fellow students and was hit by the realization, “She could tell us anything.” From then on, I became suspect of everything which might be construed as propaganda or about which my mother had warned me, “Consider the source”. By that she meant, always look for a vested interest. Question the credibility of the source. Who says so? Quo warranto (by what authority)? Who stands to gain? This is now commonly known as, “Follow the money”.
 
How I Clobbered Every Bureaucratic Cash Confiscatory Agency Known To Man
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Mary Croft Interview Part 1/6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHZTjTmrgjI
...and after your done listening, why not check out her blog here: http://spiritualeconomicsnow.net
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The cat is out of the bag and the Sovereign Civilian's Handbook is your ticket to true Sovereignty from the trappings of the institutional conspiracy for the deprivation of the rights of every Soil-born American.
http://www.sovereign-citizenship.net/00_toc.html
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“Posterity, you will never know how much it cost
the present generation to preserve your freedom.
I hope you will make good use of it.
If you do not, I shall repent in heaven
that ever I took half the pains to preserve it.”
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READING ROOM
House Joint Resolution 192 of June 5, 1933  http://www.truthsetsusfree.com/HJR192.htm
http://www.nomoredebt.cc/hjr192.html

UCADIA http://www.ucadia.com/
Unique Collective Awareness means the unique collection of all things, a pure concept defined as the ultimate paradox, the absolute.

The Occupation of the United States, or…how Lincoln made slaves out of all of us.
http://ppjg.wordpress.com/2008/09/05/the-occupation-of-the-united-states-orhow-lincoln-made-slaves-out-of-all-of-us/
Further Reading on American Sovereign citizenship http://sedm.org/
I am not a 'Person', are you? http://assemblyoftrueisrael.com/TruthPage/iamnotaperson.html
American Governance http://www.gemworld.com/USAvsUS.htm

Killing Your STRAWMAN – The Path To Freedom http://realitybloger.wordpress.com/2010/02/26/killing-your-strawman-the-path-to-freedom/
REALITY BLOG http://realitybloger.wordpress.com/

How to succeed in court http://one-heaven.org/court_success/court_contents.htm
Court Pleadings part 1of 6  http://www.youtube.com/user/immafreemann#p/u/8/6cDP7YlEr6g

The Bankruptcy of the United States http://www.apfn.net/Doc-100_bankruptcy.htm
JOINT RESOLUTION TO SUSPEND THE GOLD STANDARD AND ABROGATE THE GOLD CLAUSE
JUNE 5, 1933 H.J.192 73rd Cong. 1st Session
http://educationcenter2000.com/legal/HJR_192_73rdCongress.html
Take Back Your Strawman http://educationcenter2000.com/take_back_your_strawman.html
"Accepted for Value" process http://educationcenter2000.com/accepted_for_value.html
The UCC-1 Financing Statement http://educationcenter2000.com/legal/Financing_Statement.htm
How to fill out a UCC 1 Financing Statement 1155 UCC #3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHlr3H19d2U&feature=related

SECURE PARTY CREDITOR http://www.nmcservices.net/secureparty.html
RECOMMENDED RESOURCES http://www.creditorsincommerce.com/resources.php



The United States and the Federal Reserve http://educationcenter2000.com/educate_yourself.html

The STRAWMAN http://freedompool.org/
TREASON -  A NOTICE TO PUBLIC SERVANTS http://www.joycerosenwald.com/Treason
Declaration of Independence http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/freedom/doi/text.html
The Articles of Confederation http://www.usconstitution.net/articles.html
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YOU NEED TO KNOW THIS  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1YCvvSwIgM&feature=related

Redeeming_the_Straw_Man http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0iZSp-iJoY&feature=BF&playnext=1&list=QL&index=1
Strawman Redemption Process/Take control of you B/C bond acct. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd8qsp83ha4
Meet Your Strawman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-Rdp6PjQxE
ADMIRALTY /MARITIME LAW and The Sovereign http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F4NUd1LYUs
The Story of Your Enslavement http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-LyyClZ8-g
Tim Turner Freedom Seminar, March 2009 http://www.youhavetheright.com/videos/
JMP: Tim Turner 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbE4E769838

Stock Market & Birth Certificates. How much are YOU worth?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFXdCH--Gjo&NR=1&feature=fvwp

US is a Corporation, not a Country. Got a problem with that?  http://www.youtube.com/user/immafreemann#p/a/f/1/_HfsKO22Ycc

CourtAndy1B http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_0Ego6Uvxc&NR=1
immafreemann's Channel http://www.youtube.com/user/immafreemann#g/a

Phil Valentine Part 9 "Lock Down USA" with Sister Myrah El  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK3JYEofRks

Strawman Freedom Sovereignty UCC1  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3CIt4sx2P8&feature=player_embedded#at=146

Police Stop Joe Patriot  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Neka0YRzHrQ

Moors in Court got the Judge SHOOK!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhCWbXwVn7A&feature=related
Freeman In Gloucester Court 29th Jan 2010   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU7G6XIMt2Q

The Arrivals pt.26 (The Antichrist/ Dajjal is Here)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRQ6My0Rpr8&feature=autoplay&list=PL058B74BF6720FAB8&index=10&playnext=2

ACCEPTED FOR VALUE SUCCESS!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXgsh9yPoQQ&NR=1
If you can't PAY for anything Accept it "For Value" and DISCHARGE your DEBTS!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrVyfc9NEhk


Esoteric Agenda FINAL Version 1/13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cvp5BcICsig
KYMATICA - FULL LENGTH MOVIE - Expand Your Consciousness!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AanQ2mY2jjc
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Steve Vai - "Star Spangled Banner" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyCRSZjtYBI
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BOOKS
1871 (pdf) http://tinyurl.com/1871-remembered

HOW I CLOBBERED EVERY BUREAUCRATIC CASH-CONFISCATORY AGENCY KNOWN TO MAN
FREE download -> http://tinyurl.com/23e2qym
Johnny Liberty's Free Book: The Global Sovereign Handbook
FREE download -> http://tinyurl.com/4pbekjb
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THE INTERNATIONAL SOVEREIGN'S ASSOCIATION
The International Sovereign's Association (ISA) for all those anywhere on this Earth who want to formally and finally Declare their sovereignty as coming forth from their Creator, wanting to be a part of a Higher Purpose, seeking Peace and wanting a 'Heaven on Earth' by being a part of a Particular Separate Body Politic with Standing and Diplomatic Immunity sojourning outside the de-facto corporate military entities of man's creation/government immersed in control, fraud, war, death destruction and bankruptcy.
www.americansbulletin.com
The People's United Community http://www.tpuc.org/
Sovereign Society http://sovereignsociety.com/
Jural Society of America  http://www.juralsocietyofamerica.org/

Social Network for Sovereign Men & Women Standing Under Common Law http://www.freemanitoba.com/
Freedom's Call http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdXxvfQxn9k
One Heaven Society of United Free States of Spirits http://one-heaven.org/
Tim Turner: America Can Be Free http://www.youhavetheright.com/home/

Story Behind National Anthem  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVr_CGzTUcs&NR=1

We are all together as one, united in friendship with Peace, Liberty and Justice for all.
Feel free to post, copy, print.  Information wants to be free (just like you do). Twitter it/Facebook it..whatever...hopefully I got everything in there...

REMEMBER WHO YOU ARE!
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They have finally come.
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I absolutely agree with you. Here I am doing my part.  Wink
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This is grossly off-topic.  The word "bitcoin" doesn't even appear except as a shout-out on the very last line.

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forum.bitcoin.org needs a "murricans" board along with the Chinese, French, Russian, Spanish, etc...

Americans are over 40% of the majority on here.
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Americans are over 40% of the majority on here.

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40% of the majority of users.
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There was a "Sovereign Citizens = Terrorists" featured story on Yahoo less than a week ago. This material is dangerous for Americans. 

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hello I do not wish to make the originator of this topic feel dis respected but I think the truth is important. I wrote a research paper on the redemption process and the issue of sovereign citizens and I would like you to read it. Hundreds of people have been sent to federal prison for following these steps and getting involved in this stuff, and this is VERY BAD for BitCoin, I love the BitCoin scene and we DO NOT want to get involved in this non sense. This is the type of stuff that could potential destroy BitCoin especially for us Americans involved in it. The Sovereign Citizens movement and its facilitators are actively regarded by the United States Government as terrorists and this is the kind of connection we do not need.

Please Read my short essay (written in 2009)

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Nu41QzAUw4uIEVUv4C-onlrBGP7jSD1TTp_AUiGnRgE/edit?hl=en_US&pli=1#


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Immune this is great. Thanks. We're not trying to join the sovereign citizens, we're just trying to understand them. You know, like X-files. It's great to find some real evidence about them besides their own websites and the network news. As far as the connection to bitcoin, the one we met in New Orleans pretty much sets the stage for their attitude toward it. It isn't backed by gold (or silver, etc) so it's as worthless as USD.
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May 26, 2011, 02:39:51 PM
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...this is VERY BAD for BitCoin, I love the BitCoin scene and we DO NOT want to get involved in this non sense.

Don't worry about it. I don't think a bunch of cryptoanarchists are going to care very much about complex legal processes.

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May 26, 2011, 09:42:35 PM
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the majority of us are not anarchists at all, and I have nothing against sovereign citizens personally, I wish that it worked, I kind of even thought it was cool until I wrote the above research paper and found out the truth. The man that discovered (invented) this spent a decade in federal prison for using it and perfected his business model while in prison to make money off of it selling it to others. He even stopped practicing it instead hosting expensive seminars under the guise of debt / foreclosure relief. It really sounds great to the common man, we are tired of getting screwed by the Government, but they are in charge and we cant beat em at their own game despite what you may think.

its unfortunate but the truth is any one I have ever heard of that has put that "complicated legal process" into action has ended up branded as a terrorist, put in federal prison or in most cases both

I read a behold a pal horse, interesting book, you know what they did to the guy that wrote it? They killed his ass. I have studied the redemption manual and I understand the concept of a straw man, but the fact is the United States of America is NOT currently operating under maritime laws despite what you think about there being gold trim around the flag, and weather you think you can achieve sovereignty from the USA or not they are not going to put up with bogus liens and sight drafts. Weather you copyright your name or not, no court is going to pay you 68 million dollars or whatever. I am sorry it sounds cool but it is not fact its fiction.

As far as Bitcoin goes this is exactly the kind of stuff us as the BitCoin community do not need to be associated with, especially us Americans.

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May 26, 2011, 10:34:19 PM
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In those cases, I refuse to play at all.

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