The stock market is a bubble now

[Ctn]

- real estate: it skyrocketed for decades, but it was all an artificially-made price.

Dont you think that bitcoin prices or altcoins price is also made up price? I mean real estates are dependent on the same principle as bitcoin works on and that is demand-supply principle. We have it in plenty amount and to be honest it gets its price from the population concentrate that is getting build at specific hub. In the similar manner as the bitcoin is getting more popular amongst the people it is getting more and more crowded with them. On top of this bitcoin is also getting its value from the investment that is getting made by us. The more it gets crowded the more value it will get. Now the point is I dont see any bubble about it. Neither it is in terms of real estate nor it is applicable for the bitcoin. It is just all about the demand and supply and they all are real values.

[mhus786]

Stock market is really struggling this past week hopefully crypto goes from strength to strength from here!

[nydiacaskey01]

Real life stock market is well regulated and guarded so if anyone plans to manipulate the market, someone will raise the red flag to avoid further manipulations. In my country people go to jail for doing stock market manipulation. Any indicators that seems like someone is doing inside trading, trading will be stopped.

[mhus786]

Real life stock market is well regulated and guarded so if anyone plans to manipulate the market, someone will raise the red flag to avoid further manipulations. In my country people go to jail for doing stock market manipulation. Any indicators that seems like someone is doing inside trading, trading will be stopped.

I think we need something similar for cryptocurrencies to stop all these pump and dumps

[richardsNY]

I think we need something similar for cryptocurrencies to stop all these pump and dumps

We surely will. It takes time for governments to properly regulate this market. In order to do that, they first need to understand the basic principles, and this we have noticed, is a very slow process. I wish every country followed Japan's example, but we aren't that fortunate at this point in time, especially so because some governments don't even know whether or not it might turn out to work against them later on. Only for that reason I believe they will never classify Bitcoin as currency, but that's all fine since it doesn't enjoy much noteworthy usage as that anyway. The more this market gets regulated, the more it will mature, and the more serious capital and liquidity will attract -- this is still the early stage, but some people just fail to understand that....

[nick_nick]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelkay/2017/12/05/waiting-for-the-stock-market-bubble-to-burst/

We hear saying "Bitcoin is a bubble" all the time from ad-hoc news on mainstream media.
They release them to attack Bitcoin, for making the price drop so that they take the chance to buy low, before the cryptocurrency boom of the decades to come.

But they always avoid admitting some facts that may debunk their fake propaganda: "traditional" assets are a giant bubble now. Way more than Bitcoin ( if it really is a bubble).
Think about

- real estate: it skyrocketed for decades, but it was all an artificially-made price. Now you are observing what is the real value of terrains and houses. We can say it did not drop, it just revelaved its real value , while the one it used to have was artificial.
Wanna smile a bit? Now we may enter a car-estate bubble because of that! https://boingboing.net/2017/12/29/working-maker-poor.html

- many tech stocks are overvalued now. It cannot go on like this forever.
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4129575-one-glaring-problem-apple-stock
https://investorplace.com/2017/08/heres-why-facebook-inc-fb-stock-remains-overvalued-ggsyn/
IMO they are going to plummet to a fair price , the only question is how long are they going to resist with the pump? They cannot sustain that for 10 more years for sure, it takes efforts from their part

We should be mindful that all markets do ups and downs at some point in time. The stock market may seem to bubble now maybe due to certain favourable factors. However, the cryto market too can do same as seen in December 2017

[arpon11]

We actually know their game except those that are new in this market. If we most be among the rich in future then we must buying bitcoin now and hold them for a very long time. Stock market and commodities market are the bubble of all time and there is no two ways about it.  Cryptocurrencies is going to Proof to them that it has potential to represent any form of money in future.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I realize this thread is a couple weeks old now, but I thank OP for posting those links.  I'm going to take a look at them shortly.

Stocks are definitely pricey right now.  I look at the P/E's of some of the ones I own, and they're well above 25, which is out of my comfort zone.  Warren Buffett wouldn't touch most of them with a ten-foot pole.  And tech stocks are insanely overvalued right now, but they have a long history of that and it doesn't surprise me at all.  Still, I don't think the stock market is in 1999 territory just yet.  The businesses behind the internet stocks from that era had no chance of ever earning a profit, would never pay dividends, and some of them had business plans that were completely irrational.  No surprise that the NASDAQ went south in April of 2000. 

I look at Facebook, Twitter, Pandora, Zynga, and some of the others and I see businesses that could actually make a profit but whose stocks are valued mostly on hope.  I'm sure we're due for a stock market crash, but I've been saying that for quite a while now, watching and waiting. 

These ICOs and shitcoins very much remind me of those internet stocks, and that's why I don't invest in them.  Most of them are useless and will always be useless, and I don't see any reason to buy them other than trying to sell them to the next sucker for more than you paid for them.  I'm not motivated to do that.  They're even worse than the internet stocks, because they don't even have real businesses behind them.  They're almost like penny stocks based on shell companies, and this whole thing is one giant pump & dump scheme.  It's no wonder that term 'pump & dump' gets used so much around here.  That's exactly what it is, and I want no part of it.

[concept2]

Real life stock market is well regulated and guarded so if anyone plans to manipulate the market, someone will raise the red flag to avoid further manipulations. In my country people go to jail for doing stock market manipulation. Any indicators that seems like someone is doing inside trading, trading will be stopped.

I think we need something similar for cryptocurrencies to stop all these pump and dumps

Real estate is also the same as cryptocurrency and they are being pumped very hard in my country. People can gain 100% to 200% profit in a year. Holding a house is one of the best investment in my country and because of that, im scared that everything will decrease strongly in the future

[audaciousbeing]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelkay/2017/12/05/waiting-for-the-stock-market-bubble-to-burst/

We hear saying "Bitcoin is a bubble" all the time from ad-hoc news on mainstream media.
They release them to attack Bitcoin, for making the price drop so that they take the chance to buy low, before the cryptocurrency boom of the decades to come.

But they always avoid admitting some facts that may debunk their fake propaganda: "traditional" assets are a giant bubble now. Way more than Bitcoin ( if it really is a bubble).
Think about

- real estate: it skyrocketed for decades, but it was all an artificially-made price. Now you are observing what is the real value of terrains and houses. We can say it did not drop, it just revelaved its real value , while the one it used to have was artificial.
Wanna smile a bit? Now we may enter a car-estate bubble because of that! https://boingboing.net/2017/12/29/working-maker-poor.html

- many tech stocks are overvalued now. It cannot go on like this forever.
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4129575-one-glaring-problem-apple-stock
https://investorplace.com/2017/08/heres-why-facebook-inc-fb-stock-remains-overvalued-ggsyn/
IMO they are going to plummet to a fair price , the only question is how long are they going to resist with the pump? They cannot sustain that for 10 more years for sure, it takes efforts from their part

The term bubble is being used when there is need to discredit something. Before the 2008 stock market crash when the price was just going all the way up it was being interpreted as increase in activities, confidence boosting in the market, awareness is getting to a high level and all of the technical jargon that is being used to justify the financial charade that happened until everything came crashing.

On the tech stock, despite the increase, it still would not be categorised as bubble because they don't want to discredit the new funnel that people is interested in and just like you said, it wont last forever as every model has its own expiry date I only pity those who believe they can invest in this for a long term purpose. On crypto currency that cannot be controlled, that's where phrases such as ponzi, bubble, scam, multi percentage growth is paramount in other to kill it.

[ene1980]

I would like to say that there are bubbles in every market and these sort of accusation are always against bitcoin but your observations are actually true, the tech companies are almost in a bubble as well as property ,it is how things works in the real world and you cannot do anything about it and it is not a new thing either, it will shift according to the global trends and there are strict regulations in place too, if you are caught manipulating you will end up paying fines in millions .

[krishnaverma]

I don't agree that stock market is a bubble, you can say that it is a highly manipulated market where the operator moves the market along with the big institutional traders are following back. I would like to say that Stock market right now is in good tradeable condition as it is uptrending for now and Cryptomarket is in correction mode. You can also compare the stock market with cryptomarket to get the difference and correlation between both of them.

I agree to this, one can take some precautions and increase the chances of profit with stock market.

Just like any other investment opportunity, you can minimize the risk in stock market by diversifying your portfolio. Whatever asset you choose for investment, you should diversify to protect the invested money.