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[Mevz]

When somebody buys merits, how could they keep joining bounties, campaigns and earn money by garbage posting? if you have money to throwaway, donating them to the forum would be considered a contribution.

You've got the best point only bounty hunters wants to rank up immediately so I don't think there is a buyer of merits and they cannot afford that kind of price. If I were those buyers I'll just donate my money to charity, and why buy merits if we could just earn it free.

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[Thirdspace]

I'm pretty sure DT will negs trust both the seller and buyer and no more sig camp for them

Just look at how many negative tagged members are participating in bounty campaigns. 

really? I'm too lazy to find one, can you point me one of them?
as far as I know, having negative trust would get you kicked out of sig campaign
I'm not talking about negative untrusted feedbacks but trust feedbacks that really count
and I said sig camp not bounty campaigns like you pointed out
aren't those bounty campaigns requiring certain number of followers instead of forum's rank?

[Silent26]

What a nice move, setting yourself as a bait is a good technique to catch who's the real guilty. Well, I already expected that kind of sceneario due to hard earning of merits so it's not shocking to know that such kind of transaction really happens.

I admire you for being honest and obedient member of this forum. I suggest you to report those accounts to get punishment. Don't be afraid because you are on the side of truth (unless they knew your identity and might revenge).

Yeah, I think there are lot people buying and selling Merits around here in the forum. And one way to catch them is by baiting them. This is somehow similar putting a piece of cheese outside a mouse's hole then smacking the mouse using a sledge hammer when it comes out. I also admire the OP because he/she is honest. But it is much better if he/she reports those guys who want to sell Merits to him/her. $28 for one Merit? Seriously? You wiill need to spend $280 just to rank up to Member if you buy merits. Which can be done without wasting money by just creating high quality, helpful and unique posts.

Since we are discussing about baiting Merit traders here, if ever they found out or read about this. Im sure they will hide deep inside their holes   

[coloseum]

Stricter banning rules, then merit exchanges, trading will be stopped definitely. Stricter rules, easier to manage the forum and control spammers, merit farmers, merit exchangers. It's simple.
More mass merit farming
If stricter rules launched, merit farmers will recognise that they are under extremely high risks of banning, then they will probably change their approach. The only way they have to earn merits might be contributing to the forum. No choice!

[stein888]

As long as you know you are being honest and not buying smerit, it is fine. To have merits, you must work hard learn more to improve yourself that way you can earn merits easily. I am not saying YOU WILL because we can't ignore the fact that not all of our quality posts will earn merits. You don't need to stop them from buying merits, it is their money it's not yours, it's their problem if they caught. The mods are responsible for them. Just work hard to improve your posts.

[seven2smoke1]

As long as you know you are being honest and not buying smerit, it is fine. To have merits, you must work hard learn more to improve yourself that way you can earn merits easily. I am not saying YOU WILL because we can't ignore the fact that not all of our quality posts will earn merits. You don't need to stop them from buying merits, it is their money it's not yours, it's their problem if they caught. The mods are responsible for them. Just work hard to improve your posts.

True, merit points should give out if someone deserves it, It's not for sell or buy. Unfortunately, some people trade merits points to get some money privately, but I hope that the moderators can find them and tag them all. I think this is not against the rules but this is not the goal that merit system created for. People should write great posts to get some points, there is no meaning if you will get points in shitty posts.

[gawer33]

simple, stop signature bounties it will stop

[stompix]

sMerit at 19$
Jr. Member from  31$
Member from 235$
this is such a sad reality

Can somebody translate the lines in that chat?
Especially where that account is mentioned.

Because I highly doubt that TradeFortress who is sitting comfy on a few thousand BTC is dealing in merit around here

[The Sceptical Chymist]

simple, stop signature bounties it will stop

Brilliant, unhelpful post.   While you're right--and I've supported banning sig campaigns in the past--Theymos has already ruled out doing this.  I don't much care if I never was in one myself, and I agree that it's the only surefire way to kill all this shitposting.  And yeah I'm in one myself.  I learned 3 years ago that to refuse to get paid for something I'd be doing anyway is lunacy. 

And nixing campaigns would solve the merit-selling issue as well--but that problem is a distant second to shitposting anyway, though they're closely related.  I still think, and I wrote it before, that eventually the merit system will significantly reduce shitposting. 

And merit sources will hopefully not hand them out to scumbags who'll end up selling the sMerit.  This is going to take time, and it's still early on in the life of the merit system.

[veleten]

selling or buying merit is not against the rules,there will always be people who try to abuse ANY system in place
the thing is,they cannot just get away with it easily
if their posts are rubbish and they get 5-50 merits for an obviously spam post (or a "special" merit magnet topics as I call them)
the rules also do not prohibit for a D1-D2 trust member to waste their efforts by red tagging
don't know where the 28$ figure is coming from,but that is crazy

[TrumpD]

$28 per merit I think is insane especially when you can easily make a quality post a send the link to charity merit (merit thread) givers to decide if it is worth it. I've noticed its mostly low ranking members that are faced with such dilemmas, and could give in. Advice is don't spend that much money, work hard like most old dogs on here did, and build a solid rep. Also try increasing your trust rating, it could compensate for not having merit at this point.

[zigfridkr]

selling or buying merit is not against the rules,there will always be people who try to abuse ANY system in place
the thing is,they cannot just get away with it easily
if their posts are rubbish and they get 5-50 merits for an obviously spam post (or a "special" merit magnet topics as I call them)
the rules also do not prohibit for a D1-D2 trust member to waste their efforts by red tagging
don't know where the 28$ figure is coming from,but that is crazy

I think that it is impossible for the admin and staff to catch all members involved with buying and selling of accounts or merits here. Only thing we can do is taking strict against spam posters. There should be clear guidelines  like a member making a particular number of low quality posts will get temporary ban and so. All the members here will have to contribute their part in this by submitting correct reports using the report to moderator option. That "report to moderator" options should carry some rewards like merits for accurate submissions.

[fukingnutz]

simple, stop signature bounties it will stop

Brilliant, unhelpful post.   While you're right--and I've supported banning sig campaigns in the past--Theymos has already ruled out doing this.  I don't much care if I never was in one myself, and I agree that it's the only surefire way to kill all this shitposting.  And yeah I'm in one myself.  I learned 3 years ago that to refuse to get paid for something I'd be doing anyway is lunacy. 

And nixing campaigns would solve the merit-selling issue as well--but that problem is a distant second to shitposting anyway, though they're closely related.  I still think, and I wrote it before, that eventually the merit system will significantly reduce shitposting. 

And merit sources will hopefully not hand them out to scumbags who'll end up selling the sMerit.  This is going to take time, and it's still early on in the life of the merit system.

I haven't been in the crypto space for very long but I will say bitcointalk.org is a little confusing at times with respect to its guiding principles (I'm being honest).  At times it seems like the forum is based on a free market where people are able to support/promote ideas/projects of their choice - just making sure it's in the right subsection (also a learning curve).  Then there are times where the free market upsets people i.e. this thread.  Then there are those that speak to the censorship and banning of accounts above and beyond just the shit posts.  

Like anything else in the crypto space, I fully understand it's a game of education and patience, although I'm happy to be on the big'ol crypto wheel now

[fukingnutz]

I propose here to discuss the objectives and the results of Merit. Why I touched on this question.
I and many new users are faced with the fact that for promotion you need to somehow get Merit.
I began to read a lot about this and ask people about how they got Merit.
I was touched by the fact that many newcomers tend to buy Merit, and do not deserve it from other users, offering quality posts.
I learned the situation about buying Merit, and easily found willing to sell me Merit at a price of $ 28 for 1.
I can afford to buy, but this is against the worthy goal of "Merit". Merit is more than money!
As you see Merit, I did not buy it!

Thanks to whoever sent me 1merits.I am glad to have received my first merit point.At least it is a start, I look forward to receiving more so that I can be a member.I really appreciate it.

I was wondering how long it would take.  Well done sir.

[russaa8]

selling or buying merit is not against the rules,there will always be people who try to abuse ANY system in place
the thing is,they cannot just get away with it easily
if their posts are rubbish and they get 5-50 merits for an obviously spam post (or a "special" merit magnet topics as I call them)
the rules also do not prohibit for a D1-D2 trust member to waste their efforts by red tagging
don't know where the 28$ figure is coming from,but that is crazy

Yes, this is insanity, but this is reality. Merit is now sold in the area of ​​20 - 30 dollars and there are crazy people who buy. But for me Merit is something more valuable than money. Perhaps any talented newcomer will offer in this thread how to resist the sale, purchase and exchange of Merit and will receive its first Merit. Let's make bitcointalk better together!

[Pikono]

Karena merit adalah sebuah patokan bagi seorang anggota untuk kenaikan pangkat mereka sehingga bagi orang yang tidak sabar dalam berproses mereka akan mengambil jalan pintas . Hal ini membuat persaingan anggota menjadi tidak sehat maka dari itu menurut saya merit tidak efektif dalam menilai seorang anggota karena ketika kita membeli merit meski post kita tidak berkualitas kita tetap mendapat merit maka dari itu sebaiknya merit dihapuskan saja.

[mdayonliner]

Karena merit adalah sebuah patokan bagi seorang anggota untuk kenaikan pangkat mereka sehingga bagi orang yang tidak sabar dalam berproses mereka akan mengambil jalan pintas . Hal ini membuat persaingan anggota menjadi tidak sehat maka dari itu menurut saya merit tidak efektif dalam menilai seorang anggota karena ketika kita membeli merit meski post kita tidak berkualitas kita tetap mendapat merit maka dari itu sebaiknya merit dihapuskan saja.

You really need to use English for this thread since it's not a local thread. By the way this is what I got from google translation 

[nhamoitruonghoc]

selling or buying merit is not against the rules,there will always be people who try to abuse ANY system in place
the thing is,they cannot just get away with it easily
if their posts are rubbish and they get 5-50 merits for an obviously spam post (or a "special" merit magnet topics as I call them)
the rules also do not prohibit for a D1-D2 trust member to waste their efforts by red tagging
don't know where the 28$ figure is coming from,but that is crazy

Eventually, due to effects of merit system, merit abusers, merit cheaters, merit exchangers, and merit farmers will be found; then all of them will be banned by forum moderators. With merit system, anyone in the forum can easily see the merit history of other users (both sent and received); hence strange merit movements will be found for sure. I have no doubt about the scenarios in which more and  more merit farmers/ account farmers will be discovered and cleared (wipen out) of the forum. Thanks Theymos for launching such a amazing anti-spamming system.

[BTCeminjas]

selling or buying merit is not against the rules,there will always be people who try to abuse ANY system in place
the thing is,they cannot just get away with it easily
if their posts are rubbish and they get 5-50 merits for an obviously spam post (or a "special" merit magnet topics as I call them)
the rules also do not prohibit for a D1-D2 trust member to waste their efforts by red tagging
don't know where the 28$ figure is coming from,but that is crazy

Eventually, due to effects of merit system, merit abusers, merit cheaters, merit exchangers, and merit farmers will be found; then all of them will be banned by forum moderators. With merit system, anyone in the forum can easily see the merit history of other users (both sent and received); hence strange merit movements will be found for sure. I have no doubt about the scenarios in which more and  more merit farmers/ account farmers will be discovered and cleared (wipen out) of the forum. Thanks Theymos for launching such a amazing anti-spamming system.

Yeah, so much appreciated on this merit system now even though I also affected on this system because I stuck on this rank but still I'm brave to find a way to have single merit a day but it's so hard to notify our good quality post from the smerit source.
Hence, it was not come to my mind to buy smerit because I know that is breaking the law here and I don't want to break that law.

Besides for the most rank up problem, it brought a good image to our beloved forum. They easily eliminate all kind of farmers here.
I saluted you Sir theymos.

[mdayonliner]

selling or buying merit is not against the rules,there will always be people who try to abuse ANY system in place
the thing is,they cannot just get away with it easily
if their posts are rubbish and they get 5-50 merits for an obviously spam post (or a "special" merit magnet topics as I call them)
the rules also do not prohibit for a D1-D2 trust member to waste their efforts by red tagging
don't know where the 28$ figure is coming from,but that is crazy

Am I reading it correctly? I guys you are joking 

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