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October 20, 2013, 08:35:46 PM
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1) The unregulated trading of BTC against Fiat Currencies
2) The BTC Price Increase vs. The actual volume  (MARKET DEPTH)
3) Mining Equipment all being sold on Pre-Order by Limited Liability Corporations
4) The Difficulty Level vs. The Parabolic BTC Price
5) The fact that bitcombubble.com/org/net have already been registered!

Anyone else can add to this list?

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October 20, 2013, 08:56:47 PM
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1) The unregulated trading of BTC against Fiat Currencies
2) The BTC Price Increase vs. The actual volume  (MARKET DEPTH)
3) Mining Equipment all being sold on Pre-Order to Limited Liability Corporations
4) The Difficulty Level vs. The Parabolic BTC Price
5) The fact that bitcombubble.com/org/net have already been registered!

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1. All currency trading is unregulated.
2. So?
3. A LLC are people that are looking to mine and pay their taxes for it. No big deal.
4. Again, so?
5. Again, so?
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October 20, 2013, 08:58:45 PM
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Looks like we have our newest troll.  Welcome aboard.

Good luck with you short positions.
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October 20, 2013, 09:07:22 PM
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Eve is this you?

1) The unregulated trading of BTC against Fiat Currencies
2) The BTC Price Increase vs. The actual volume  (MARKET DEPTH)
3) Mining Equipment all being sold on Pre-Order to Limited Liability Corporations
4) The Difficulty Level vs. The Parabolic BTC Price
5) The fact that bitcombubble.com/org/net have already been registered!

Anyone else can add to this list?


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October 20, 2013, 09:17:13 PM
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1) The unregulated trading of BTC against Fiat Currencies
2) The BTC Price Increase vs. The actual volume  (MARKET DEPTH)
3) Mining Equipment all being sold on Pre-Order to Limited Liability Corporations
4) The Difficulty Level vs. The Parabolic BTC Price
5) The fact that bitcombubble.com/org/net have already been registered!

Anyone else can add to this list?


6) Statements made from people who know little to nothing about Bitcoin about why a particular element of Bitcoin or its community is "frightening."
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October 20, 2013, 09:49:25 PM
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1) The unregulated trading of BTC against Fiat Currencies
2) The BTC Price Increase vs. The actual volume  (MARKET DEPTH)
3) Mining Equipment all being sold on Pre-Order to Limited Liability Corporations
4) The Difficulty Level vs. The Parabolic BTC Price
5) The fact that bitcombubble.com/org/net have already been registered!

Anyone else can add to this list?


6) Statements made from people who know little to nothing about Bitcoin about why a particular element of Bitcoin or its community is "frightening."

It is their lack of knowledge that leads to the fear.

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October 20, 2013, 11:06:32 PM
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1) The unregulated trading of BTC against Fiat Currencies
2) The BTC Price Increase vs. The actual volume  (MARKET DEPTH)
3) Mining Equipment all being sold on Pre-Order to Limited Liability Corporations
4) The Difficulty Level vs. The Parabolic BTC Price
5) The fact that bitcombubble.com/org/net have already been registered!

Anyone else can add to this list?


6) Statements made from people who know little to nothing about Bitcoin about why a particular element of Bitcoin or its community is "frightening."

It is their lack of knowledge that leads to the fear.

Yep, and that lack of knowledge is frightening to me if they're using Bitcoin in spite of their fear.  Rather, I'm scared for them.
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October 20, 2013, 11:37:05 PM
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As was pointed out, currency trading isn't exactly regulated to begin with. So your first point is completely irrelevant.

But why does a lack of regulation scare you? Do you need the government to protect you from the monsters under your bed?

Regulation benefits existing players in the market as well as politicians. 9 times out of 10 it does everything except protect the people it claims to protect. And there are disturbing side effects of increased state power and regulation that we can't simply ignore.

So if a lack of regulation scares you, man up.
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October 21, 2013, 12:05:48 AM
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Why the assumption the OP negative on bitcoin? OP's may be saying there is room for $1000 coins.

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1) The unregulated trading of BTC against Fiat Currencies
OP has tried to move assets in the past, but government regulation is very cumbersome and costly. Bitcoin makes it possible

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2) The BTC Price Increase vs. The actual volume  (MARKET DEPTH)
OP is saying very few people are selling their coins at these prices. If prices were higher, it could flush out some of the early adopter's coins.

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3) Mining Equipment all being sold on Pre-Order to Limited Liability Corporations
4) The Difficulty Level vs. The Parabolic BTC Price
5) The fact that bitcombubble.com/org/net have already been registered!

OP is saying bitcoin popularity is booming. There is even specialized equipment built just for bitcoin.

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October 21, 2013, 12:16:45 AM
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I am now... TERRIFIED!  Shocked Shocked Shocked  Tongue Grin
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October 21, 2013, 01:15:04 AM
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As was pointed out, currency trading isn't exactly regulated to begin with. So your first point is completely irrelevant.

But why does a lack of regulation scare you? Do you need the government to protect you from the monsters under your bed?

Yep, I agree, I should probably not be that scared, personally.  Though I am trying to make a point for those that probably should be exercising a bit fear insofar as their exposure.

Firstly, though, Forex is a bit murkier than equities but it is regulated, insofar as legal compliance, licences, KYC practices, minimal capital requirements, this list goes on.  They have rules to follow and Audits to perform, licences to keep valid and generally bound to the bylaws of some or all of the below:

The NFA – the National Futures Association: self-regulatory organization for the US futures industry. Its purpose is to safeguard market integrity and protect investors by implementing Forex regulations. Membership in NFA is mandatory for any futures or FX broker operating in the US. It is an independent regulatory body with no ties to any specific marketplace.

The CFTC – the Commodity Futures Trading Committee, Created by congress, the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) was formed in 1974 as an independent agency with the mandate to issue Forex regulations for financial markets in the United States. The CFTC's regulations assure the economic utility of the markets by encouraging their competitiveness and efficiency, and protecting market participants against and abusive Forex trading practices.

The FSA - The Financial Services Authority, a UK based independent body given statutory powers by the Financial Services and Markets Act 2000. The FSA regulates the financial services industry in the UK, which is made possible by the FSA's regulation making, investigatory and enforcement powers. The FSA is obliged to have regard to the Principles of Good Regulation.

Various National Authorities (Japan should have one), Each country has its own national body for regulating its financial service industry. These are the bodies that decide on Forex regulations; you must therefore make sure that your broker is licensed in the country from which they operate. This ensures that they are obliged to operate in accordance to that country's trading regulations.

BUT THIS IS NOT WHAT SHOULD SCARE.  You are right, politicians, bla bla, the government IS out to fuck us all up in the long run.  i am not debating this at all, I am with you on that.  BUT..

I have been following the legal cases of these brokerages(exchangers) that have recently been shut down.  It seems the United States has a methodology to who gets busted next.

From what I can assertain, the country you are in matters.  Mainly because it takes time to build a prima facia case against an operator.  Then of course they have to present it to a judge.  So, if the country is small, easy to convince a judge, if it's the likes of Japan probably going to need more evidence and more effort building a case before the country engages.

Second factor.  Level of Regulation.  Those Operators(exchangors) that have less regulatory alliances are much more vulnurable, as it is easy to build a case against bad practice. i.e. operators that allow old timers to trade with their retirements, operators that facilitating money laundering practises by not subjecting clients to the BIC(SWIFT)/FINTRAC Anti Money Laundering System.  Of which bitcoin is not a part of.  sure sure, mtgox wants ID now (that they got a visit from the relevant authorities)

Third Factor, notional taxational loss and volume.  The Bigger the fish, the better the funding to prosecute.
I am pretty sure, at the end of the calendar year these exchanger are not proving, the respective governments with each users tax liabilty calculations.  As do Forex/Commoditiy brokers etc.  It may seem like a lot of fun that BTC is anonymous(ish) and not traced, but all transactions, be it trading or buy goods and services are actually taxable.  Don't get me started on this subject, you know something ain't right here and you don't need me pointing out what it is.  But I kid you not, the US/UK/JAPAN all want their tax revenues, and the bigger Bitcoin gets, the bigger the tax liability and thus the tax evasion.


So, i would be scared shitless, because ONE LITTLE DISRUPTION and an exchanger goes down, whether or not evidence was compiled to attach criminal liability to the directors of the particular exchange.

When an exchanger goes down, you are going to have a little trouble wiring the BTC back to your home bank account.  Unless of course you got good warning that something was going down.

This really is a case of the Emperors Clothes.  The US can't just send the military and shut this all down, they have to go through legal and diplomatic channels, and this takes time.  So its first come first serve.

Remember one thing.  The creator did realise he wanted to remain anonymous for a reason.  i think maybe he saw the potential legal liability if BTC would actually take off.

And the reality is, nobody gives a crap if you sell some dope online.  But when BTC started getting really expensive, it put itself in the limelite and all the NON TAX PAYING activities

So should you be worried?  All I can say, is that I WOULDN'T be entrusting my BTC to ANY WALLET that is not in your control.  Cuz you might wake up one morning to find everything blocked and gone or worse!

Next topic.... Why Limited Liability Companies and Pre orders DON'T MIX!











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October 21, 2013, 01:20:50 AM
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Welcome to me ignore list.

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October 21, 2013, 01:59:20 AM
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Looks like we have our newest troll.  Welcome aboard.

Good luck with you short positions.

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October 21, 2013, 02:41:55 AM
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Ok, I understand what OP is saying. It's not as stupid as I originally thought. It's why I keep USD and BTC on 3 different exchanges. It's a hassle, sure, but what is the float rate of BTC exchanges.... 50%? And most go down with customer funds.

Now, as for price risk... ain't none. OP you are right to be concerned about tax loss, unregulated currency exchange and AML issues... governments and banks don't exactly love BTC exchanges... but for it to significantly effect trading, numerous exchanges in numerous countries would have to be taken down simultaneously or all around the same time. And not all of these countries have taken a resistant stance against bitcoin! You'd have to be suggesting international regulatory collaboration the likes of which we've never seen before.... It ain't happening.
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October 21, 2013, 02:48:25 AM
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Yep, I agree, I should probably not be that scared, personally.  Though I am trying to make a point for those that probably should be exercising a bit fear insofar as their exposure.


Ahh, the classic "I do not need to be regulated but there are people out there that need it".

Kinda like when you watch a news program and they talk about "some people say".

We do not need to fix problems for imaginary people. There are enough things to deal with already.

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I like how everyone blows their stack the moment they read this thread.  Roll Eyes
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