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March 19, 2018, 03:09:58 AM
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Just wondering if this technique would work. I did buy coins and have a good portfolio which I bought at dips but now market has dipped even further.
so by selling off any coin now, I end up at a total loss.

however my question is there a way to gain profits , even in when slight greens.

such I am thinking this

at a moment of a green, even though value still be below what I bought a certain coin at.
can I regain a loss as in make a profit
as in selling out a coin at a green and buying into something else, that is low value but has faster gains?

if that makes sense?

an example I bought BTC when it was say 8000 usd.
say now its at 6500 usd , just using this as example
then market goes green and raises to 7000 usd
I am still at a loss
but is it possible to sell my BTC and then buy into a low value coin that has development
lets stay Dragonchain.
as I don't have dragonchain yet
could I regain my total overall value in a gain by buying into an ALT coin like this and hope for the faster growth in green to regain a loss I made on BTC

just asking any of the expert traders out there?

or am I best to wait 2 years for market to fully raise up above the prices I bought my BTC original for
even in my example this same scenario could work for LTC or ETH, if not BTC
if that makes sense
thanks

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March 19, 2018, 04:22:02 AM
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All coins are falling due to the fall of bitcoin.
Any analysis is useless.
Any forecasts are useless.
Bitcoin is no longer decentralized and is managed by those who have the greatest balance.

Now there is a collapse of all cryptomir.
Even mining is no longer profitable.





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March 19, 2018, 04:44:23 AM
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All coins are falling due to the fall of bitcoin.
Any analysis is useless.
Any forecasts are useless.
Bitcoin is no longer decentralized and is managed by those who have the greatest balance.

Now there is a collapse of all cryptomir.
Even mining is no longer profitable.

and this indication will lead us to hold on our position right now. Don't make any decision yet, wait for the signal and green days will come. There's no other technique to regain losses aside from keep on doing right, its ok to incur some losses but you must learn from it for you to prevent big loss in the long run.
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March 19, 2018, 04:52:46 AM
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You should try the strategy of trading bitcoin against USDT, since it always remains the same price even in a bearish market. BTC-USDT is easily predictable and all you need to do is switch back and trade USDT against BTC instead once the market goes green.
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March 19, 2018, 04:57:23 AM
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I think it would be nice to liquidate your coins to USDT to be safe and to avoid some losses, if you have some funds you can do cost averaging if the coin is ready to reverse from downtrend to uptrend scenario, if not then you can create plan B. Its hard to recover losses if the market is really bleeding downtrend scenario and the only way for this is to hold or if your losses is tolerable then cut this and  get out on your desk and have some break then back when market ready for reversal and spot a good coin that will bounce from downtrend to uptrend as possible. Look what happen to bitcoin now its  really a downtrend and let's see if the support can hold. Good luck

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March 19, 2018, 05:36:36 AM
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Well yes you can, but that'd be trying to time the market on when to buy in and when to sell. That's something that you're never going to be able to do. Looking back at charts it may look like it's profitable, but you could also miss a huge chance at profit if you are to do it -- so yes it could go both ways in the fact that you could lose more money, or lose out on making more money.

I wouldn't chase losses, just HODL.
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March 19, 2018, 05:45:29 AM
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It's very hard to say, if you can choose the correct alt then you can recover your lost, but if you choose the wrong alt, you will end up losing more money, it's best go wait for a strong coin like eth and btc to go up rather than invest in alt, and not all coin can have the same scenario with btc, coin like litecoin is not moving up very often and even for long term the rising is also not significant

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March 19, 2018, 07:14:35 AM
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All coins are falling due to the fall of bitcoin.
Any analysis is useless.
Any forecasts are useless.
Bitcoin is no longer decentralized and is managed by those who have the greatest balance.

Now there is a collapse of all cryptomir.
Even mining is no longer profitable.

Hahaha, this made my day. This guy here tend to work only for the bounty itself not for the betterment of this community.

You've been here for quite sometime, you'd better know that this industry is volatile even other players at the market.

Saying that analysis, forecast are useless then I guess you haven't been doing a real trading. All information that you can get as long as it is verified and somehow agreeable in layman term are valuable. Informations are the only thing that can support your claim and decisions.
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March 19, 2018, 07:23:25 AM
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Just wondering if this technique would work. I did buy coins and have a good portfolio which I bought at dips but now market has dipped even further.
so by selling off any coin now, I end up at a total loss.

however my question is there a way to gain profits , even in when slight greens.

such I am thinking this

at a moment of a green, even though value still be below what I bought a certain coin at.
can I regain a loss as in make a profit
as in selling out a coin at a green and buying into something else, that is low value but has faster gains?

if that makes sense?

an example I bought BTC when it was say 8000 usd.
say now its at 6500 usd , just using this as example
then market goes green and raises to 7000 usd
I am still at a loss
but is it possible to sell my BTC and then buy into a low value coin that has development
lets stay Dragonchain.
as I don't have dragonchain yet
could I regain my total overall value in a gain by buying into an ALT coin like this and hope for the faster growth in green to regain a loss I made on BTC

just asking any of the expert traders out there?

or am I best to wait 2 years for market to fully raise up above the prices I bought my BTC original for
even in my example this same scenario could work for LTC or ETH, if not BTC
if that makes sense
thanks

But investing on a low value coins comes with huge risks too,many altcoins will lose their value in the long term so it is better to hold as bitcoin in the long term surely it will give profits for you than investing on other coins.

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March 19, 2018, 07:49:54 AM
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The strategy you are using is co risky. If you buy for example btc at 8000 and it dips even more to 6.5k and go up a little bit to 7k and planning to sell it and buy low value coins, expecting that the coins you buy will moon? And what if the coins you buy did not moon and instead dip? And the btc go moon right after you sell your position? That is not a good strategy unless you are expert and understand what you are really doing.

Now, For my opinion. The best way to gain your loses or i mean technique.

Buy dip (25% of funds) the dip is when you think the cheapest price offcourse, but nobody knows exactly when will or how much would it be. Because sometimes when you think it is cheap and you enter and suddeny dip even more. So i say buy only 25% of your funds because either wa around, you will not lose too much if incase that the coins you buy dip even more. And regarding with the gain. It is better to gain 5% of your total funds than losing 50% of it. So the point of this is don't be greedy. Just chill out.

Next is so let's say you buy a coins worth 25% of your funds thinking that you entered the good price but suddenly the price dip even more. Btc for example, You enter on 8k Because you think that it is cheap at that time and suddenly it drops to 6.5k. So the purpose of using 25% of your funds is back up. Use the remaining 75% as a back up. You enter at 8k the you see that the price dip to what you feel is the even cheaper. so buy another 25% worth of it. So in total you have 50% of your funds on that coins. Your first target of 8k to regain your loses will definately go down to somewhere arround 7.5 to 7.8k. lowering your target to break even. Okay now since you say that the price dip even more to 6.5k By that time, you buy another 25% of the funds. So in total, you have 75% of your funds inside that coins. Which will reduced your loses even if it wont go back to 8k right? By that way you will be able to minimized your loses and even get profit from that technique.

And last, Don't put all the money in just one coin. Diversify, Read and research which coins will gonna make it. or which coin have a good potential. Buy  and hold. You don't want to missed a coin that will moon right? So don't put all your money in just one coins. And also it will lessen the risk.

In investing to ALTcoins, don't look at the $value or dollar value of the coins. Because altcoins defends its price on btc. so if btc dip the coins price dip as well. Based on the satoshi value not the dollar value. Youre goal is to make more btc from altcoins so that when btc price moon. You have many btc.

There are so many guide and technique in the internet. Do some reasearch and test which strategy works well on you. Always remember, Invest what you can afford to lose. thats the number one rule. And the best way to earn is the best way to lose as well.

Goodluck buddy and happy trading.
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March 19, 2018, 08:07:44 AM
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Better stop trading if it seems better to understand its flow, You can invest your money in other ways aside from trading. How about lending or buy gold or any properties. This things will surely gives you a good profit by the right time comes. Never risk your money  to something un predictable and no assurance in return. Best wishes and goodluck:)
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Just wondering if this technique would work. I did buy coins and have a good portfolio which I bought at dips but now market has dipped even further.
so by selling off any coin now, I end up at a total loss.

however my question is there a way to gain profits , even in when slight greens.

such I am thinking this

at a moment of a green, even though value still be below what I bought a certain coin at.
can I regain a loss as in make a profit
as in selling out a coin at a green and buying into something else, that is low value but has faster gains?

if that makes sense?

an example I bought BTC when it was say 8000 usd.
say now its at 6500 usd , just using this as example
then market goes green and raises to 7000 usd
I am still at a loss
but is it possible to sell my BTC and then buy into a low value coin that has development
lets stay Dragonchain.
as I don't have dragonchain yet
could I regain my total overall value in a gain by buying into an ALT coin like this and hope for the faster growth in green to regain a loss I made on BTC

just asking any of the expert traders out there?

or am I best to wait 2 years for market to fully raise up above the prices I bought my BTC original for
even in my example this same scenario could work for LTC or ETH, if not BTC
if that makes sense
thanks


I think this is a very good question but has a complex answer.. where to begin..

To answer the last part of your question first I think waiting 2 years for the market to recover is a bad option.. 2 years of not trading is the same as losing money.. its best to not let your situation get so dire earlier on (which is probably the most important thing to take away from this but thats another subject) but considering that is the situation.. yes it is possible to segment your losses into incremental gains in a bear market to work down your cost average but you need to approach this very carefully.  I use a laddering type system...
Lets say you have 2 BTC invested in something that is out of position and you are down .8btc overall.. you could start to trade upswings and cover the bottom with profits in a ladder system.. so to make sure you don't get further out of position I would trade .05 BTC or .1BTC in your first sell.. if in incrementally goes up again I would sell double (.2btc) and double again (.4BTC) and stop there.  You need a majority of your position incase it continues to go up and you just need some leverage to cover the bottom if the bottom falls out again.. you do the same strategy if it drops.. first buy .1 btc.. 2nd buy .2 btc, etc.  It allows you to play the gap to make up some gains while being very unlikely to be out of position permanently and still not being idle waiting the two years for the price to come back.. figure out how many coins from these position trades you need to break even and once you have accumulated that number of coins its okay to start making riskier trades as you ladder up.

Specifics of coin doesn't matter, but I will say this.. start to focus on working BTC dips and corrections for quick alt entries.. you can clear 8-10% easily if you trade alts with btc/usd chart simultaneously open and can start to accurately predict the bottom (or the quickest possible reversal).. just don't get greedy in bear markets.. 10% is incredible but so is 4-5% if thats all you feel comfortable with.  Its about participating and participating positively over sitting on the sidelines and pouting.

Learn to use fib retracements always.. never consider entering trades that aren't atleast 50% fib or more retraced so you don't enter positions poorly.. it helps eliminate fomo and makes you wait for good trade confirmations which is likely the problem to begin with if youre way out of position.

If you are uncomfortable with trading and feel like the trading entry point is your struggles then don't do any of this without a couple of weeks of paper trading.. if you feel like you trade too emotionally or enter/exit too often then up your time candles..start looking for positions on day candles and work down to 4 hour candles.. the larger the time frame the bigger and safer the move with less emotional swings... avoid 1-30 min candle time charts altogether and save 1 hour charts for when you have more experience. Heres some trading indicators I use from another thread I wrote that you may find useful in this journey.  Good Luck.

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Moving Averages on the Day Chart (50/100/200 Day) - I value this one the highest.. its simple, and allows at a glance of scanning coins what has pulled back enough from runups that may be worth looking at if other indicators seem positive
Fibonacci retracements for buy and sell zones (just ideas on where to look for resistance levels to take profit, always leave the areas a bit lower, since everyone uses these to sell as zones, hence the more who use TA, the more of a self fulfilling propechy it becomes.
Bollinger Bands (sometimes I use these just to see how tightly wound things are getting when trying to break out from descending wedges/bull flags/etc.
MACD and RSI (just a quick indicator to pair with others to confirm the information the other indicators are showing me)
Ichimoku Cloud - Love seeing the overhead resistances and when on bull runs if its starting to fall flat.. this indicator isn't good on its own but like using with others.

Things I don't find useful:
Elliot Wave Theory - I can certainly appreciate the concept and I think overall the general concept of any 1-5 wave will lead to an ABC correction in a general sense is good, but as a predictive price to buy or sell at, it seems way too optomistic 99 times out of 100 to me.  When chasing coins on a pullback however I do wait for the confirmed C pattern to form.. the problem is large runups can lead to a very long C extension (especially when paired to BTC acting up) so its just best to wait for confirmed reversal pattern over trying to buy based off of the measurement of C.
RSI alone - alot of people use RSI alone for whatever reason which I don't feel is a good idea.. it can in a general sense  show if something is overbought or oversold, but something can rally oversold for days or weeks..btc in 2017 is a good example... if you sell when something is overbought or buy when its oversold, youre gonna miss alot of the tops of runups and get cut by the falling knife as it just becomes even more oversolid.. wait for other indicators to confirm what the RSI is telling you.


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March 19, 2018, 08:42:08 AM
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I will suggest to hodl if you have bitcoin, etheruem and litecoin in your portfolio because sometime they will recover especially bitcoin. Talking about bitcoin , with the way you are sounding, it seems you bought at a very high price maybe during its ATH in December when price got to $20,000 Smiley and you are losing hope that price won't get there till after 2years time. But, that is not true because price will get there, be patient and don't sell off your bitcoin.

Meanwhile, for selling off and buying an altcoin, that is another new investment entirely in business terminology.

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Just do not look at it. In a few months everything will be back to normal, or even at a new ATH. The only thing that may help is to buy the dip with fiat. good luck!
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All the suggestions of holding,  don't looks at it are at best wishful thinking!  I would suggest that you hold but in addition to holding,  buy every dip during these bear. If you could discipline yourself to buy dip,  you will recoup your losses faster when there is slightest green in the market  

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March 19, 2018, 09:02:43 AM
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You could do that kind of scenario but if that coin didn't progress more then you could use double and even wait for longer time. If you're thinking of converting your loss in BTC to altcoins then i suggest you choose your coin carefully since there are lots of them. Bitcoin is the most recognized cryptocurrencies than the other, if in an event all cryptocurrency rise into fame and popularity like last december than you might regain your losses faster but if that didn't happened then when bitcoin rise, you're alt won't even move a cent.

Most people try to regain their losses buying the same coin so in your example, you might sold your loss at 7k and try to buyback at 6,5k and not converting to other coins. Likewise all trading strategy is a prediction of logical future events so you might lose the opportunity if it didn't came back to 6,5k and instead the price rose, so tread carefully.

If you're only investing 1/3 or even less than your investment fund at the time then you might consider to invest more fund buying on dip, it doesn't matter if you're averaging your position in bitcoin or altcoin and just act like its a new beginning for your trade and consider the last investment as a long term investment if you want to have less stress. Hope this help  Grin Grin

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March 19, 2018, 10:46:56 AM
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But investing on a low value coins comes with huge risks too,many altcoins will lose their value in the long term so it is better to hold as bitcoin in the long term surely it will give profits for you than investing on other coins.
Buying shitcoins is almost a guarantee to lose, unless you have so much luck on your side, that you manage to profit initially. One way or another, luck is a factor that will make you lose in the long term, and thus not viable.

I have seen how people have set up a portfolio consisting of many shitcoins, and all have been bought drying peak levels. The small initial gains have turned into severe losses due to how unreliable they are.

Bitcoin is the only solid investment, and that has never changed. Altcoins represent reckless gambling behavior, and has nothing to do with investing anymore when it comes to the majority of the people in this market.

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March 19, 2018, 10:49:18 AM
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This is a good techniques and in trading it is called "coins flipping" you make good money if you know how this works.  Most time that you see price going up against the general trends is a sign that coins flipping is happening. We have to practice this before putting really money in using this technique because trading is a very risky investment and it take experience to make money from it.

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March 19, 2018, 10:53:38 AM
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first thing you need to do is to learn how to use stop loss. I am going to use your numbers here. assuming price is $8000 and you buy, then if it drops 3% which means going down to $7760 you must sell not wait for anything else like price going lower,...

now that you have not done that, what you can do is to either hold on to what you got and wish for it to go up or sell and get out and start making better trades. this means for example if you are hodling some altcoin which has dropped significantly then you sell it right now no matter what the price of it is and then start making better trading decisions. like buying an altcoin that actually has the potential to rise or better yet buying bitcoin which is the only thing with real potential. and then using stop losses in the right way.
note that I said invest in something has the potential not just any random altcoin that you guess might have it.

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March 19, 2018, 11:20:44 AM
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Just wondering if this technique would work. I did buy coins and have a good portfolio which I bought at dips but now market has dipped even further.
so by selling off any coin now, I end up at a total loss.

however my question is there a way to gain profits , even in when slight greens.

such I am thinking this

at a moment of a green, even though value still be below what I bought a certain coin at.
can I regain a loss as in make a profit
as in selling out a coin at a green and buying into something else, that is low value but has faster gains?

if that makes sense?

an example I bought BTC when it was say 8000 usd.
say now its at 6500 usd , just using this as example
then market goes green and raises to 7000 usd
I am still at a loss
but is it possible to sell my BTC and then buy into a low value coin that has development
lets stay Dragonchain.
as I don't have dragonchain yet
could I regain my total overall value in a gain by buying into an ALT coin like this and hope for the faster growth in green to regain a loss I made on BTC

just asking any of the expert traders out there?

or am I best to wait 2 years for market to fully raise up above the prices I bought my BTC original for
even in my example this same scenario could work for LTC or ETH, if not BTC
if that makes sense
thanks


Dude your technique is good only in perfect market. Meaning to say you buy here then you gain profit but in real world, market don’t work that way. This is certainly high risk strategy since the word you use is HOPE for faster growth. The best suggestion I will give you is to become a long term holder of BTC. Only long term investment has high probability of success in cryptocurrency.

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