OgNasty is telling scammed newbies on his Escrow thread it was me without proof!

[owlcatz]

Backstory:

A few months ago, I had a disagreement with OgNasty about a coin he auctioned off. Long story short, we agreed that we were both  slightly in the wrong - I left him a neg then he left me one back.

Fast-forward a few months later - After TMAN had been heavily trolling him, Og starts to develop a serious complex where he thinks all newbies and new accounts posting in any of his threads (even disregarding valid newbie bids in his auctions) were/are alts of TMAN. (Keep in mind that neither TMAN nor I hide behind alt accounts and PO boxes with no names on them. People here know our real names. We don't hide, and we certainly don't scam).  

Anyhow, that said, I've largely avoided dealing with Mr. Nasty since then at all, as I think he runs a ponzi and won't address the accusations and is not trustworthy, and have left ratings to that effect, mostly to combat the blatant trust abuse that he as a DT member have incurred on people out of his own delusional thoughts, like colluding with known account sellers like Quickscammer by getting Tomotoface's account to exclude Zepher, TMAN and I on both DT1/2 just for his own thrills. (And basically kicking one of the most reliable forum escrows off of DT altogether for no reason (Zepher))...  (That's Like 2 more other threads lol).  

Anyhow, please read this and let me know what you think. Why should someone like this be on DT1 at all, let alone DT2?

Now:

For the past month, I've had several random/unknown users accuse me of scamming them on Telegram, but never with any evidence or anything else, just bold accusations about beating me up etc etc. But today, one finally told me who has been telling them "I scammed them"? And today, I got an answer from Mr. Michael Silver:



Read the above very carefully. I ask him who scammed him or told him it was I.. He said clearly, "OgNasty pointed me to you".

Anyhow, I looked up Mr. Silver's account name "Silver815" on both sites as well as others I found with google and saw, that yes, he was scammed in Og's thread. (See his last posts, if you do not believe me).

So, I posted this after realizing why I have been targeted on Telegram as a scammer for a month....  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=303281.msg32628229#msg32628229

[Questions/Discussion]

I'm pretty sure a line has been crossed here, no? Threatening me with police and telling people I'm the scammer in his own threads with absolutely zero evidence, obviously just to cause me problems? I do not see how in any way shape or form this man is still on DT.  He is an embarrassment to the forum at this point, just like QS.

BTW - if being mad about being accused as a scammer when I go out of my way to NOT scam and actually help people here makes me look "Guilty", you are just fucking stupid...

Again, I have an impeccable rep here other than with Mr. Green man... Don't you think? Please post your opinions, thanks again.

Lastly, this thread is moderated for only 2 reasons - to keep this on topic - Not here to discuss anything but the above, and Quickseller, stay right the f out of it cuz I'll just keep deleting your delusional trolly bullshit.

[owlcatz]

Edit - OG, are you denying you wrote this PM to silver815?




Mr. Silver was kind enough to send me the proof. So now what do you have to say for yourself, scumbag?

[OgNasty]

owlcatz created a bogus scam accusation thread and seemingly admitted to being the scammer impersonating me on Telegram to dupe users searching for escrow.  When he was called out on this Freudian slip of the keyboard, he moved the thread to the archive section and locked it.  Is owlcatz the Telegram scammer?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3156647.0

[TMAN]

~snip

you took 1 +1 and came up with 74 as usual, your own interpretation of something is not fact... you are a slippery snake oil salesman who needs to listen to others for once

[owlcatz]

owlcatz created a bogus scam accusation thread and seemingly admitted to being the scammer impersonating me on Telegram to dupe users searching for escrow.  When he was called out on this Freudian slip of the keyboard, he moved the thread to the archive section and locked it.  Is owlcatz the Telegram scammer?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3156647.0

No, I didn't admit to anything at all. In fact, I have screenshots of you telling that guy above to go after me.  I posted them above.

BTW, I locked it because I didn't have time to deal with your buddy Quickscammer.  Nothing to do with anything else, hence this thread. Also, I had to go to bed. Some of us have lives off the forum.

PS - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3160695.msg32677479#msg32677479

[game-protect]

That is the criminal offense of defamation and he already committed the criminal offense of extortion towards Game Protect as you can see here:

"I'm going to paint your other account red with negative feedback if you don't remove this. Thought I'd give you the chance to do the right thing first."

[TMAN]

Oh Fuck.. so its me as well is it Mr Nasty?

you silly silly boy.. I don't need to move behind closed doors and scam innocent people to prove what a cunt you are - you are doing it yourself in public...

[owlcatz]

Oh Fuck.. so its me as well is it Mr Nasty?

you silly silly boy.. I don't need to move behind closed doors and scam innocent people to prove what a cunt you are - you are doing it yourself in public...

LOL... Exactly, it's quite hilarious watching him flounder around and just double-down... OG, why haven't you called your buddy Quicksy to help you out yet? Hmmm....

[EcuaMobi]

owlcatz created a bogus scam accusation thread and seemingly admitted to being the scammer impersonating me on Telegram to dupe users searching for escrow.  When he was called out on this Freudian slip of the keyboard, he moved the thread to the archive section and locked it.  Is owlcatz the Telegram scammer?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3156647.0

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Where exactly did he admit to being the scammer impersonating you on Telegram? I didn't get that

[owlcatz]

owlcatz created a bogus scam accusation thread and seemingly admitted to being the scammer impersonating me on Telegram to dupe users searching for escrow.  When he was called out on this Freudian slip of the keyboard, he moved the thread to the archive section and locked it.  Is owlcatz the Telegram scammer?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3156647.0

[img ]https://i.imgur.com/sIq4ZTr.png[/img]

Where exactly did he admit to being the scammer impersonating you on Telegram? I didn't get that

I didn't admit to anything, he just keeps making the shit up like quickseller.

[Frij]

Where exactly did he admit to being the scammer impersonating you on Telegram? I didn't get that

OgNasty said that he would be contacting the police on who he thinks did it. He also said that he thinks owlcatz is the person who he thinks did it. Logically owlcatz then assumed that, because of this, Og would be contacting the police on him.

According to Og, this means that owlcatz is guilty.

[EcuaMobi]

Where exactly did he admit to being the scammer impersonating you on Telegram? I didn't get that

OgNasty said that he would be contacting the police on who he thinks did it. He also said that he thinks owlcatz is the person who he thinks did it. Logically owlcatz then assumed that, because of this, Og would be contacting the police on him.

According to Og, this means that owlcatz is guilty.

Is that so OgNasty?
I would think owlcatz assumed OgNasty would be contacting the police on him because of Michael's "And yes, OGNasty pointed me in your direction".

It really seems both OgNasty and owlcatz are just looking for ways to accuse each other for anything at all, regardless of how little sense it makes

[owlcatz]

Where exactly did he admit to being the scammer impersonating you on Telegram? I didn't get that

OgNasty said that he would be contacting the police on who he thinks did it. He also said that he thinks owlcatz is the person who he thinks did it. Logically owlcatz then assumed that, because of this, Og would be contacting the police on him.

According to Og, this means that owlcatz is guilty.

Is that so OgNasty?
I would think owlcatz assumed OgNasty would be contacting the police on him because of Michael's "And yes, OGNasty pointed me in your direction".

It really seems both OgNasty and owlcatz are just looking for ways to accuse each other for anything at all, regardless of how little sense it makes

Seriously?? This guy has been accusing me of scamming him on Telegram for weeks. He finally tells me who told him that. I get proof. I post it. And everyone questions my motivations? I haven't done anything to this guy, and I don't even talk to him. I did troll him for a bit, but this is crossing the line. Siccing scammed newbies on people you just don't like is WRONG.... Plain and simple.

Anyhow, I'd let it go if the asshole ever actually apologized to ANYBODY for ANYTHING around here, because it seems to me like he is like the forum overlord who thinks he is ALWAYS in the right. NOT in this case, sorry.

BTW, I know all the cops here, so I'm not concerned. Call them, anybody... I don't give any fucks anymore. I just want this lying asshole to leave me alone. 

[Frij]

I would think owlcatz assumed OgNasty would be contacting the police on him because of Michael's "And yes, OGNasty pointed me in your direction".

Og mentions contacting the police here.

It really seems both OgNasty and owlcatz are just looking for ways to accuse each other for anything at all, regardless of how little sense it makes

I can agree that some arguments/threads against Og have perhaps been taken too far, however I don't see owlcatz being at fault whatsoever in this case.

[OgNasty]

Where exactly did he admit to being the scammer impersonating you on Telegram? I didn't get that

OgNasty said that he would be contacting the police on who he thinks did it. He also said that he thinks owlcatz is the person who he thinks did it. Logically owlcatz then assumed that, because of this, Og would be contacting the police on him.

According to Og, this means that owlcatz is guilty.

Is that so OgNasty?
I would think owlcatz assumed OgNasty would be contacting the police on him because of Michael's "And yes, OGNasty pointed me in your direction".

It really seems both OgNasty and owlcatz are just looking for ways to accuse each other for anything at all, regardless of how little sense it makes

I said I reported the info I had on the Telegram scammer to Telegram (scammer's user ID, the conversation screenshots, etc.) and for some reason owlcatz then said I threatened to report him to the police, which is either a lie by owlcatz, or it means he is the scammer.  I advised Telegram to file a police report with the information they had, (ip evidence, username, registration email, Telegram username, etc.).  The only way owlcatz could think I was reporting HIM to the police, is if HE was the user on Telegram attempting to scam. 

So owlcatz is either a liar about me reporting him to the police, or he is admitting to being the Telegram scammer.  Actually, he's a liar about me reporting him to the police either way, because that's not what I said...

Og mentions contacting the police here.

Hey look, someone else decided to join the liar club.  I at no point said I would contact the police.  This is why I'm not going to continue to respond to this nonsense.  Nothing but lies.  You are boring me.

[Frij]

I at no point said I would contact the police.  This is why I'm not going to continue to respond to this nonsense.  Nothing but lies.  You are boring me.

While you didn't explicitly say you were going to do so, the implication is there and plain to see.

I haven't once said any lies about you, I explained how I think owlcatz's thought process went and showed the evidence I used to get there. Once again, you are trying to use negative trust to silence anyone that speaks out against you.

[owlcatz]

I at no point said I would contact the police.  This is why I'm not going to continue to respond to this nonsense.  Nothing but lies.  You are boring me.

While you didn't explicitly say you were going to do so, the implication is there and plain to see.

I haven't once said any lies about you, I explained how I think owlcatz's thought process went and the evidence I used to get there. Once again, you are trying to use negative trust to silence anyone that speaks out against you. Funny how Quickseller is suddenly silent about this.

Exactly, thank you... It was the implication Og, sorry for misreading you I guess, but whatever. Final story - You still sicced that scammed newbie on me for no reason. Just admit it, the PM is right above for all to see?

Edit stop with the blatant trust abuse. You are not king or president of anything but your scam club. deal with it.

[OgNasty]

I at no point said I would contact the police.  This is why I'm not going to continue to respond to this nonsense.  Nothing but lies.  You are boring me.

While you didn't explicitly say you were going to do so, the implication is there and plain to see.

I haven't once said any lies about you, I explained how I think owlcatz's thought process went and the evidence I used to get there.

No, I very clearly stated I advised Telegram to file a police report against their user who had scammed.  Just like I very carefully never said owlcatz was the user behind the scam, and only listed the coincidences and my beliefs.  Hiding behind an alt account to write such lies doesn't protect you, sorry.

[EcuaMobi]

And everyone questions my motivations?

I'm just trying to understand what happened. I'm saying here that I understand why you assumed OgNasty was accusing you. Therefore I don't understand at all OgNasty's: "seemingly admitted to being the scammer impersonating me on Telegram".

I did troll him for a bit, but this is crossing the line

It does seem that initial trolling started this. And a lot of things between you have crossed the line.

I can agree that some arguments/threads against Og have perhaps been taken too far, however I don't see owlcatz being at fault whatsoever in this case.

I agree. Both of them have taken things too far several times. In this particular case I see OgNasty is in the wrong, unless I just don't understand something

I said I reported the info I had on the Telegram scammer to Telegram (scammer's user ID, the conversation screenshots, etc.) and for some reason owlcatz then said I threatened to report him to the police, which is either a lie by owlcatz, or it means he is the scammer

No, there's a simpler explanation:

• You advised Telegram to file a police report against their user who had scammed
• Michael said you pointed in ow's direction, i.e. you accused him of being the scammer

Therefore you think owlcatz is the scammer and reported him to the police.
I'm not saying that necessarily happened, Michael could have lied, he could have misunderstood you, there were several assumptions and some of them could have been wrong.
But that is a much simpler explanation why owlcatz assumed you reported him to the police.

Concluding this means owlcatz admitted to being the scammer doesn't make too much sense.

Actually, he's a liar about me reporting him to the police either way, because that's not what I said...

So you're saying he's wrong at assuming that's what you said?
And you assumed he confessed to being the scammer? Have you thought maybe you're wrong at assuming that too?

Edit:
I see you left negative trust to minifrij for making a wrong assumption. Does making wrong assumptions deserve negative trust? I strongly disagree.
I think correcting him is enough, especially when the assumption does make at least a little sense, even if not completely right.

[Frij]

Hiding behind an alt account to write such lies doesn't protect you, sorry.

Damn, you mean that my username (miniFrij) suggests that this is an alt? Perhaps the staked message and trust rating left on this account was a bit of a giveaway too.