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March 23, 2018, 06:50:27 AM
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First of all, was not only cryptonight profit that plummet, eth did too, matter of fact all coins had a dip in profit. Second, most places gpu's were almost sold out everywhere December to January

The concern is ETH still the most profitable despite of dips, and most GPU's jumped into it adding diffs and not by buying anew.


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 only few people and few places had gpus, so 80% of that hashrate was not from gpus, it was from asics.

I doubt about this  Smiley for the links posted by Vann with increased 34% sale by nvidia,then add up AMD sales,  its not a few GPU's

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March 23, 2018, 06:52:32 AM
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Are you a mindless troll which don't know how to see things properly? I will explain one more time, the removal of the dif bomb made eth dif to go from 3.2 to 1.3 after the fork. After that there was no dif bomb anymore, and it rose from December 2017 1.4 to 2.6 January 2018, don't you get it? So no, the hashpower was not there cause what made eth to double the dif was the dif bomb which doubled the network before the fork, july/august to be precise, but as soon as eth dif bomb was removed after the fork then things went back to normal which means 1.3 dif to 2.6 with new added hashrate of asics.

Clearly you have no clue how things work regarding algos and since you elegantly ignored a part of my previous post about the technical limitations for ETH ASIC, this ends my discussion with you.
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March 23, 2018, 06:57:15 AM
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The concern is ETH still the most profitable despite of dips, and most GPU's jumped into it adding diffs and not by buying anew.

Neoscript and many other coins are more profitable with vega than eth. My point is on those 2 months, 80% were asics and 20% gpus.

Clearly you have no clue how things work regarding algos and since you elegantly ignored a part of my previous post about the technical limitations for ETH ASIC, this ends my discussion with you.

Hey you are the one that dont understand before and after dif bomb and the sort and blame me for your lack of understanding hehe

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March 23, 2018, 07:44:29 AM
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Just because the GPUs weren't available at retail stores doesn't mean that they weren't being produced.

Someone offered these manufactures a better deal and they sold it directly to them.
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March 23, 2018, 07:52:48 AM
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You trolls want to create an excuse for everything instead of facing reality. It's amazing how persistent you all trolls are saying that hashrate increase were gpus instead of asics. Get over it and accept it because asic manufactures already unofficially announced eth asics now you trolls need to face reality and I know how hard is to face that gpu mining might die in 2018 cause you trolls know that if ethash is compromised and so equihash and the denial in this thread shows how much you trolls are trying to hide the fact that asics have been for while mining eth and equihash.

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March 23, 2018, 08:00:35 AM
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You trolls want to create an excuse for everything instead of facing reality. It's amazing how persistent you all trolls are saying that hashrate increase were gpus instead of asics. Get over it and accept it because asic manufactures already unofficially announced eth asics now you trolls need to face reality and I know how hard is to face that gpu mining might die in 2018 cause you trolls know that if ethash is compromised and so equihash and the denial in this thread shows how much you trolls are trying to hide the fact that asics have been for while mining eth and equihash.

That definitely possible.
BTW  I strongly believe that this huge difficulty increase in the last months is due to alt crash.
For quite a while during 2017 ETH was not the best coin to mine, there were plenty of scam coins with much higher profitability.

Right now the market seems to get closer to fair value, so all those dummy projects are slowly going down, making ETH the best coin to mine again.
Basically everyone is mining ETH right now.
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March 23, 2018, 08:15:15 AM
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That definitely possible.
BTW  I strongly believe that this huge difficulty increase in the last months is due to alt crash.
For quite a while during 2017 ETH was not the best coin to mine, there were plenty of scam coins with much higher profitability.

Right now the market seems to get closer to fair value, so all those dummy projects are slowly going down, making ETH the best coin to mine again.
Basically everyone is mining ETH right now.

Yes but that is due to scams. Scammers at moment are analyzing the market, their plan to scam people was better than they thought it would be, scamcoins like ripple, stellar, cardano, iota and tron made them with a huge balance sheet to account the money they made for. They will have some time off before they start scamming more people out again.

The real reason scammers turned their crypto to usd or other scam currencies is the fact they knew popular coins would tank due to asics. They sold before everybody else and now they are waiting for the bottom and will start the pump scam as soon as the decision is made by the top mafia men.

The rise of the difficult on equihash is also questionable. Asics on eth network means asics on zec network.

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March 23, 2018, 09:23:43 AM
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Just because the GPUs weren't available at retail stores doesn't mean that they weren't being produced.

Someone offered these manufactures a better deal and they sold it directly to them.

Exactly, for a fact Russian traders bought an entire monthly production of few vendors, literally offering 20$ per cards just to dump other traders...
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You trolls want to create an excuse for everything instead of facing reality. It's amazing how persistent you all trolls are saying that hashrate increase were gpus instead of asics. Get over it and accept it because asic manufactures already unofficially announced eth asics now you trolls need to face reality and I know how hard is to face that gpu mining might die in 2018 cause you trolls know that if ethash is compromised and so equihash and the denial in this thread shows how much you trolls are trying to hide the fact that asics have been for while mining eth and equihash.

That definitely possible.
BTW  I strongly believe that this huge difficulty increase in the last months is due to alt crash.
For quite a while during 2017 ETH was not the best coin to mine, there were plenty of scam coins with much higher profitability.

Right now the market seems to get closer to fair value, so all those dummy projects are slowly going down, making ETH the best coin to mine again.
Basically everyone is mining ETH right now.

That's a good point. While the whole Alt market was mooning at the beginning of the year, it made sense for some to mine smaller coins that have a better unit yield than ETH. Especially for Nvidia rigs. Now that the market is consolidating and profits are down, miners are flocking to ETH looking for a stable return. Even for Nvidia rigs which did much better on other algos, ETH is now a comparable option. WTM shows ETH is a good option for 1070's and 1070 Ti's. For P104 at 40 MH/s and P102 mining cards at 47 MH/s, it's no comparison. ETH is by far the best option. Which is also why the ZEC difficulty has gone up 42% since the beginning of the year compared to 68% for ETH.

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April 01, 2018, 10:16:15 PM
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And why not nvidia or amd, nvidia new generation seems to be delayed for ever, what is doing nvidia?, as you can imangine nvidia like apple or other major hardware manufacturers usually plan the development and the deadline to launch a product some years before the product is launched.

Nvidia and AMD could be doing the same as bitmain is doing if they find that mining is so profitable, can you imagine the R&D department of Nvidia working to develop the fastest and more efficient gpu miner based on their techonology?, I don`t know if what they would develop would be as efficient as an asic, but sure it would be close to, with everything optimized to mine,optimized drivers and optimized cooling.  I know, I have not any proof,is just a theory, but why not?


Nvidia has no interest in rushing out their next generation cards, as the CURRENT ones already dominate the market and are selling faster than they can make the GPUs.

They also aren't widely used in Mining compared to AMD, so they have a lot less incentive to bother wasting time on "mining specific GPU models" - so far ALL of the "mining specific GPU cards" have originated in 3'd party CARD manufacturers using standard GPUs.


Lead time on a new ASIC miner design is months, not years - but it's still quite a few months.
I suspect Bitmain started work on an ETH ASIC miner probably around mid-year 2017 timeframe, possibly a bit later, when the altcoin "price jump" proved to have some staying power.

What I DON'T understand is their SIA and CN miners - the SIA one swamped the VERY TINY market in no time flat, and the CN miners are going to be pretty much "dead on arrival" given Monero's long-stated OPPOSITION TO ASIC.
I'd have figured they'd target equihash LONG before SIA and that they'd have been smart enough to avoid CN entirely.


Given that AMD was sold out for MONTHS despite very high pricing during the ETH hashrate growth this fall/winter/early spring timeframe, it's VERY EASY to account for that growth without needing some hypothetical and PROBABLY DID NOT EXIST IN QUANTITY ASIC miner.
Also don't forget the Nvidia 1060 and possibly some 1070 cards mining ETH, *AND* some folks switching from other algorithms due to ETH getting more profitable on their EXISTING cards.




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April 03, 2018, 07:30:12 AM
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https://en.insider.pro/topnews/2018-03-30/poll-ethereum-users-support-hard-fork-resist-asic-miners/

the fork on ETH is comming???
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April 03, 2018, 04:21:59 PM
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I'm 98% convinced ASIC manufacturers started bringing first ETH asics online at around december 2017 and have been steadily building and mining with them ever since.

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April 03, 2018, 06:10:57 PM
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If there is not a hard fork to resist an ASIC resistance then I believe the majority of the community will just mine an alternate currency or a external team will fork the blockchain with the respective code to prevent asics. e.g Ethereum Cash etc.

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April 03, 2018, 07:07:11 PM
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If there is not a hard fork to resist an ASIC resistance then I believe the majority of the community will just mine an alternate currency or a external team will fork the blockchain with the respective code to prevent asics. e.g Ethereum Cash etc.
 

Thats nice in theory but that is a lot of hashpower that the combined market cant handle right now.  I.e. it would crush a lot of coins network and make them unprofitable.
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April 03, 2018, 07:10:42 PM
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Bitmain accurately capable of such, but on the other hand in winter, only the lazy did not begin to mine the ether, the network had to grow significantly.
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April 03, 2018, 07:12:21 PM
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There is no asic on ETH.  You  a bluffing. But there are lots of buttheaders which continue to bild rigs Smiley
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April 03, 2018, 09:44:06 PM
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Was just looking at this chart: https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/ethereum-hashrate.html

The mining boom started around spring 2017.

Spring 2017 - Summer 2017: ~40T increase
Summer 2017 - Autumn 2017: ~40T increase
Autumn 2017 - Winter 2018: ~60T increase
Winter 2018 - Spring 2018: ~110T increase

Oook. IMO the height of the average joe mining boom was around late summer 2017, that's when the hardware was most expensive, mining most profitable and that's when I'd expect the biggest increase.

However the increase since winter 2018 has been more than double of that. That just seems unlikely based on mining profitability and also it would have required GPU manufacturers to double their production.

I'm 98% convinced ASIC manufacturers started bringing first ETH asics online at around december 2017 and have been steadily building and mining with them ever since.

ETH PRICE jumped more in the 3Q/4Q timeframe in absolute terms than in the 2Q (2Q was a much higher PERCENTAGE increase).
Also, availability of GPUs to mine it WITH became a major issue for a while in 2Q - don't you remember AMD high-end Polaris cards selling for more than Nvidia 1070 and even some Nvidia 1080 cards for a month or so?
It takes TIME to aquire parts and build rigs, as well as a chunk of cash - pretty much across the board ALL altcoins ran into that issue.
Then the second bit spike hit in early January, fueling ANOTHER explosion of hashrate for a while, 'till coin prices started dropping seriously.

110 THash is less than 4 million GPUs (presuming RX 470/480/570/580 or GTX 1070) - given AMD and Nvidia extreme shortages that started right after Christmas and did NOT get better 'till a couple weeks ago, there is no need to blame a large number of ASIC for the jump - GPUs can EASILY account for it.



THE KILLER to your theory - Bitmain announced their E3 ASIC unit TODAY but it doesn't ship 'till mid-July indicating THEY DON'T HAVE MANY OF THEM ON HAND.
It turns out to be a little LESS EFFICIENT AND LOWER HASHRATE than a well-tuned Nvidia 1070 6-card rig and about the SAME hashrate and efficiency as a VERY well tuned AMD RX 480/580 6-card rig.
The E3 is NOT a GPU mining killer - Bitmain would have to sell over ONE MILLION of them to achieve 50% of current ETH total network hashrate, but there's no way they can get enough CHIPS to manage that in a significantly short timeframe.

For perspective, it has taken them almost 2 *YEARS* to sell ballpark ONE MILLION of the S9 units (there is some question as to the actual number due to competition from the Avalon 721/741, the unknown number of miners BW.COM uses in it's internal farm, the number of eBang miners sold or used internally, but *probably* a majority of the Bitcoin total network hashrate is from S9 units) - this is despite the S9 being the unquestionable "most efficient miner for SHA256 made" (a title it STILL holds at this time given reported Halong ACTUAL performance).

I seriously doubt the E3 will manage to achieve 50% of all ETH mining hashrate before ETH goes POS.

There's a REASON Bitmain is pricing it so cheap - it won't SELL if it wasn't cheap.


ETH over the last 2 weeks or so has been flat (give or take luck varience) on total network hashrate - if folks are still building new rigs, they're being matched by folks shutting down rigs or moving them to other stuff.


I can believe Bitmain had "engineering test" units online as early as December 2017 - but I do NOT believe they had "production" units online anywhere near that early, or in significant numbers before VERY recently.


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April 03, 2018, 10:09:47 PM
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No Bitmain is definitely not mining Ethereum. if they had developed an ASIC then it would be already on sale right now.
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April 04, 2018, 12:36:07 AM
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No Bitmain is definitely not mining Ethereum. if they had developed an ASIC then it would be already on sale right now.

Thanks for the lols Smiley


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April 04, 2018, 06:37:09 AM
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No Bitmain is definitely not mining Ethereum. if they had developed an ASIC then it would be already on sale right now.

Thanks for the lols Smiley



I guess he's new and doesn't know that Bitmain is "testing" miners for months before they sell them Smiley
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