Welcome to the Greatest Bitcoin Casino on earth!

[dooglus]

Almost every time I reply to a post in the other "Welcome to the Greatest Bitcoin Casino on earth!" thread, the casino owner deletes my post.  It seems he doesn't like people pointing out how unfair his site is, and suggesting ways it could be made fair.

I'm going to post my deleted replies here.  This thread isn't "self moderated".  Discussion is encouraged.

"But with any of the dice games, how can you tell if the winning seed was generated before or after your bet and roll"

You can tell because the sha256 hash of the seed is published before the roll.

Do some research before dismissing the 'concept'.  It is called "provably" fair for a reason...

Or how can you tell if the first seed generated (which might have been a win) wasn't discarded and regenerated until your roll would create a loss instead?

Because after publishing the hash of the server seed, the user gets to pick a client seed which changes the outcome.  So the house has no way of preselecting the result.

Again, this is easy to find on any provably fair site.

In my opinion, 'provably fair' is just a scam run by some gambling sites to instil confidence in the customer

The thing is, this isn't a matter of opinion.  It's a matter of mathematical facts.  You can think it's "just a scam", but you would be demonstrably wrong to do so.

Quoted for those few individuals that seem to have missed it.

We didn't miss it.  It's just offputting to post in a thread when you delete any post which points out errors in your thinking.  Man up and defend yourself and your point of view rather than taking the easy way out and deleting dissenting viewpoints.

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[Mooshire]

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[aksplace]

Almost every time I reply to a post in the other "Welcome to the Greatest Bitcoin Casino on earth!" thread, the casino owner deletes my post.  It seems he doesn't like people pointing out how unfair his site is, and suggesting ways it could be made fair.

I'm going to post my deleted replies here.  This thread isn't "self moderated".  Discussion is encouraged.

"But with any of the dice games, how can you tell if the winning seed was generated before or after your bet and roll"

You can tell because the sha256 hash of the seed is published before the roll.

Do some research before dismissing the 'concept'.  It is called "provably" fair for a reason...

Or how can you tell if the first seed generated (which might have been a win) wasn't discarded and regenerated until your roll would create a loss instead?

Because after publishing the hash of the server seed, the user gets to pick a client seed which changes the outcome.  So the house has no way of preselecting the result.

Again, this is easy to find on any provably fair site.

In my opinion, 'provably fair' is just a scam run by some gambling sites to instil confidence in the customer

The thing is, this isn't a matter of opinion.  It's a matter of mathematical facts.  You can think it's "just a scam", but you would be demonstrably wrong to do so.

Quoted for those few individuals that seem to have missed it.

We didn't miss it.  It's just offputting to post in a thread when you delete any post which points out errors in your thinking.  Man up and defend yourself and your point of view rather than taking the easy way out and deleting dissenting viewpoints.

There is some really bizarre folks on bitcointalk and will attempt to destroy ones reputation or status if they feel harmed based on comments or evidence shown. With that being said and this company limiting comments you have made however does not fit in this description as clearly your business is not effected either way on the games they provide. Companies like Bitzino, Just-Dice (both A+ rated) have stepped ahead of competitors because frankly they want to offer fair, honest public opinions, and provable results. These two companies and many others understand the concept in the long run the house always wins.

I don't understand why they would delete your comments as clearly they don't effect them unless they have something to hide which clearly has us concerned now. We did an approximate 1 BTC deposit and tested the site nothing really raised an eyebrow at that time (yes we lost the 1 BTC). If anyone has any complaints/comments/feedback please submit to us and we will include it in the review.

[Mooshire]

I think we can all agree that whatever he's trying to hide, he's doing a pretty bad job of.

[cwil]

If anyone has any complaints/comments/feedback please submit to us and we will include it in the review.

This should assist you:

https://mega.co.nz/#!kkY2iazY!bkGI31aMvvOve9_RkrTaBUtdcd02tSKAqDoqNvRpCr4
https://mega.co.nz/#!xxB3FbBR!Tzs0BQjjn8xqyQrCVu3drFhNXnd_E7HqRgsVME4cdfU
https://mega.co.nz/#!k0BU3JKB!NkQdf3jLMOBm204K0VjLkxAslV8TL9htEXMcp8yqPW0

[dooglus]

The following, from the owner of the heavily moderated thread and the owner of the casino respectively, are what they seem to not be wanting attention drawn to:

Money was 'won' [...]which resulted in the bank temporarily running a negative balance. The computer (as programmed) immediately went to work on building the balance again which resulted in this scenario.

The casino pays out of a pool of money that has already been lost. The program is designed to always maintain a positive balance. I'm sure you can make sense of it from there.

When the game draws a hand, it checks if there is enough funds in the prize pool to cover the win, if there isnt it will make you lose.
 
If you win 98 points, it means somone has lost 100 points

Basically, if the house has lost a lot recently they fix the results so that they win it back.  "it will make you lose".

[Rannasha]

I had a bunch of my posts deleted as well. I won't bother posting them, but they had content similar to what dooglus posted. In the other "unofficial" thread about bitwincasino, the operator responds a few times, showing how utterly clueless he is about the workings of provable fairness and general logic and reasoning in general.

[aksplace]

If anyone has any complaints/comments/feedback please submit to us and we will include it in the review.

This should assist you:

https://mega.co.nz/#!kkY2iazY!bkGI31aMvvOve9_RkrTaBUtdcd02tSKAqDoqNvRpCr4
https://mega.co.nz/#!xxB3FbBR!Tzs0BQjjn8xqyQrCVu3drFhNXnd_E7HqRgsVME4cdfU
https://mega.co.nz/#!k0BU3JKB!NkQdf3jLMOBm204K0VjLkxAslV8TL9htEXMcp8yqPW0

Do we have permission to show these videos in the review?

regards
Alan

[cwil]

Do we have permission to show these videos in the review?

regards
Alan

Sure, you can do whatever you want with them.

[aksplace]

Do we have permission to show these videos in the review?

regards
Alan

Sure, you can do whatever you want with them.

What is your BTC Address?

best regards
Alan

[dooglus]

Here are the videos of the casino deliberately making a player lose over and over again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=434lUDOTRpU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFV_GIc_L2k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v_R6G-xUvA

[cwil]

What is your BTC Address?

best regards
Alan

If you feel you must donate, send them to Sean's Outpost here: 1M72Sfpbz1BPpXFHz9m3CdqATR44Jvaydd

[aksplace]

What is your BTC Address?

best regards
Alan

If you feel you must donate, send them to Sean's Outpost here: 1M72Sfpbz1BPpXFHz9m3CdqATR44Jvaydd

Consider it done Cwil https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=295211.msg3390749#msg3390749

[aksplace]

Douglas, what are the odds of rolling snake eyes 26 times in a row? 

[dooglus]

Douglas, what are the odds of rolling snake eyes 26 times in a row? 

It depends on the size of the bankroll, right?  I mean, if too many people won recently, it's about a 100% chance because how else is the poor little casino going to recoup their losses?

If, on the other hand, you're playing somewhere fair, it's 1 in (6^2)^52

That's 1 in 29,098,125,988,731,506,183,153,025,616,435,306,561,536.

Or 1 in 29 thousand million million million million million million.

Or 1 in 2.9e+40

Or "pretty damn unlikely".

[Noitev]

Do we have permission to show these videos in the review?

regards
Alan

Sure, you can do whatever you want with them.

This is by far the best quote:

^You can use this picture if you want as well, It's in their software company's site in the pdf for running the back end.

[Mooshire]

Why not post a topic in Scam accusations? This is blatant cheating.

Good idea.