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October 23, 2013, 07:09:33 PM
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Chancellor Angela Merkel has spoken to President Barack Obama to complain about allegations her mobile phone was targeted by the US National Security Agency, according to a report on Wednesday.

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News site Spiegel reported that Merkel's mobile may have been spied on by the US and the German Chancellor is taking the allegations seriously.

She demanded an explanation in the telephone conversation with Obama, Spiegel said.

Her spokesman Steffen Seibert said Merkel made it clear that she found such practices "completely unacceptable".

"The chancellor today telephoned President (Barack) Obama" and "made clear
that she unequivocally disapproves of such practices, should they be
confirmed, and regards them as completely unacceptable," he said.

The evidence for her mobile phone being targeted came from Spiegel which has broken a series of stories about a mass surveillance programme by the NSA.

A spokeswoman for the NSA told Spiegel that Obama reassured Merkel the US was not spying on her communications, but refused to elaborate whether it had done so or not in the past.
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October 23, 2013, 07:49:51 PM
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When you allow evil, it should come as no surprise when evil is inevitably used against you.  For someone like Merkel to be bothered by this is silly; she's the type of person who believes that hypocrisy should be the foundation of society, is it really that much different when America practices exceptionalism in the same fashion?  If Germany were in the boat America was in now, the same results would follow.

To be virtuous, one must practice virtue; to be vicious, one must practice vice; to expect others to be virtuous while one practices vice is mere hypocrisy.  Thus, the hypocrite is the hypocrite's greatest enemy, since one wants to be the exception while all others are not.  Merkel's now getting a taste of what her own practices tow.  Sadly, these are the people that are supposed to run our lives; they're certainly not philosophers, I can say this much.

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October 24, 2013, 01:45:58 AM
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"When you allow evil, it should come as no surprise when evil is inevitably used against you": Mike Christ.

This is a new campaign from (part of) the Hollywood Elite demanding their Messiah to stop doing now what he was against, before being president:

http://youtu.be/aGmiw_rrNxk
StopWatching.us is a coalition of more than 100 public advocacy organizations and companies from across the political spectrum. Join the movement at https://rally.stopwatching.us. This video harnesses the voices of celebrities, activists, legal experts, and other prominent figures in speaking out against mass surveillance by the NSA. Please share widely to help us spread the message that we will not stand for the dragnet surveillance of our communications.

The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) is a nonprofit civil liberties law and advocacy center that has been fighting the NSA's unconstitutional spying for years. Learn more at https://eff.org.


Edit: Most (all maybe? I do not know all of them) are very open liberals who supported Obama during both his presidential campaigns. Notice how the evil doer is Nixon in the video. We are in 2013. Snowden blew the whistle on a program created by W. Bush then put on super ultra cinemascope 3D steroids by Obama. It would be funny if it wasn't that sad, but at least they are waking up. Next will be to name HIM.
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October 24, 2013, 01:52:42 AM
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If she wanted to confirm it, couldn't she have just called up Putin and confirmed the war plans to invade the US?
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October 24, 2013, 02:05:54 AM
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oh god german society is continuing its apathetic dreamstate for another four years, ruled by the industry and banking lobby and
sung to sleep by her friends in the media like publisher Friede Springer.
it's the Kohl era once again.
ridiculous how she held NSA affair away from the agenda since the beginning despite the huge commotion in independent media.
please NSA, spy the shit out of her...nothing behind this puppet anyway



sorry for ranting, i have to see this mug everyday on the media for 8 years now and i'm sick of it...   Angry



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"When you allow evil, it should come as no surprise when evil is inevitably used against you": Mike Christ.

This is a new campaign from (part of) the Hollywood Elite demanding their Messiah to stop doing now what he was against, before being president:
http://youtu.be/aGmiw_rrNxk
StopWatching.us is a coalition of more than 100 public advocacy organizations and companies from across the political spectrum. Join the movement at https://rally.stopwatching.us.
The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) is a nonprofit civil liberties law and advocacy center that has been fighting the NSA's unconstitutional spying for years. Learn more at https://eff.org.
it's good to see more action being taken...this will need a strong movement from the middle of society to fight against the unable acceptance of these methods

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October 24, 2013, 01:42:19 PM
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"Ms Merkel, the NSA is monitoring the People of Germany." - "Aha, pls tell me more."

"Ms Merkel, the NSA is monitoring your mobile phone." - "Scandal! There will be consequences!"

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October 24, 2013, 04:28:12 PM
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From time to time the Germans get weird about the gold (the US) we hold for them out of the goodness of our hearts.  It is important to be able to predict when an outbreak is about to occur and how severe it is going to be in order to manage it.  So obviously we need to tap Merkel and every other person who is anyone in the German government.

Plus, Germany rules Europe thanks to their financially and economic superiority.  We can exercise significant control of the entire EU block by understanding what is going on in Germany and manipulating it to some extent.


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October 24, 2013, 05:04:02 PM
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this where only security measures and thus to the benefit of the german nation. The only records they took where the weekly guidance calls from Obama & Co. For later reference.
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October 24, 2013, 09:06:57 PM
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/24/nsa-surveillance-world-leaders-calls

NSA monitored calls of 35 world leaders after US official handed over contacts

• Agency given more than 200 numbers by government official
• NSA encourages departments to share their 'Rolodexes'
• Surveillance produced 'little intelligence', memo acknowledges



The National Security Agency monitored the phone conversations of 35 world leaders after being given the numbers by an official in another US government department, according to a classified document provided by whistleblower Edward Snowden.

The confidential memo reveals that the NSA encourages senior officials in its "customer" departments, such the White House, State and the Pentagon, to share their "Rolodexes" so the agency can add the phone numbers of leading foreign politicians to their surveillance systems.

The document notes that one unnamed US official handed over 200 numbers, including those of the 35 world leaders, none of whom is named. These were immediately "tasked" for monitoring by the NSA.

The revelation is set to add to mounting diplomatic tensions between the US and its allies, after the German chancellor Angela Merkel on Wednesday accused the US of tapping her mobile phone.

After Merkel's allegations became public, White House press secretary Jay Carney issued a statement that said the US "is not monitoring and will not monitor" the German chancellor's communications. But that failed to quell the row, as officials in Berlin quickly pointed out that the US did not deny monitoring the phone in the past.

The NSA memo obtained by the Guardian suggests that such surveillance was not isolated, as the agency routinely monitors the phone numbers of world leaders – and even asks for the assistance of other US officials to do so.

The memo, dated October 2006 and which was issued to staff in the agency's Signals Intelligence Directorate (SID), was titled "Customers Can Help SID Obtain Targetable Phone Numbers".

It begins by setting out an example of how US officials who mixed with world leaders and politicians could help agency surveillance.

"In one recent case," the memo notes, "a US official provided NSA with 200 phone numbers to 35 world leaders … Despite the fact that the majority is probably available via open source, the PCs [intelligence production centers] have noted 43 previously unknown phone numbers. These numbers plus several others have been tasked."

The document continues by saying the new phone numbers had helped the agency discover still more new contact details to add to their monitoring: "These numbers have provided lead information to other numbers that have subsequently been tasked."

But the memo acknowledges that eavesdropping on the numbers had produced "little reportable intelligence". In the wake of the Merkel row, the US is facing growing international criticism that any intelligence benefit from spying on friendly governments is far outweighed by the potential diplomatic damage.

The memo then asks analysts to think about any customers they currently serve who might similarly be happy to turn over details of their contacts.

"This success leads S2 [signals intelligence] to wonder if there are NSA liaisons whose supported customers may be willing to share their 'Rolodexes' or phone lists with NSA as potential sources of intelligence," it states. "S2 welcomes such information!"

The document suggests that sometimes these offers come unsolicited, with US "customers" spontaneously offering the agency access to their overseas networks.

"From time to time, SID is offered access to the personal contact databases of US officials," it states. "Such 'Rolodexes' may contain contact information for foreign political or military leaders, to include direct line, fax, residence and cellular numbers."

The Guardian approached the Obama administration for comment on the latest document. Officials declined to respond directly to the new material, instead referring to comments delivered by Carney at Thursday's daily briefing.

Carney told reporters: "The [NSA] revelations have clearly caused tension in our relationships with some countries, and we are dealing with that through diplomatic channels.

"These are very important relations both economically and for our security, and we will work to maintain the closest possible ties."

The public accusation of spying on Merkel adds to mounting political tensions in Europe about the scope of US surveillance on the governments of its allies, after a cascade of backlashes and apologetic phone calls with leaders across the continent over the course of the week.

Asked on Wednesday evening if the NSA had in the past tracked the German chancellor's communications, Caitlin Hayden, the White House's National Security Council spokeswoman, said: "The United States is not monitoring and will not monitor the communications of Chancellor Merkel. Beyond that, I'm not in a position to comment publicly on every specific alleged intelligence activity."

At the daily briefing on Thursday, Carney again refused to answer repeated questions about whether the US had spied on Merkel's calls in the past.

The NSA memo seen by the Guardian was written halfway through George W Bush's second term, when Condoleezza Rice was secretary of state and Donald Rumsfeld was in his final months as defence secretary.

Merkel, who, according to Reuters, suspected the surveillance after finding her mobile phone number written on a US document, is said to have called for US surveillance to be placed on a new legal footing during a phone call to President Obama.

"The [German] federal government, as a close ally and partner of the US, expects in the future a clear contractual basis for the activity of the services and their co-operation," she told the president.

The leader of Germany's Green party, Katrin Goring-Eckhart, called the alleged spying an "unprecedented breach of trust" between the two countries.

Earlier in the week, Obama called the French president François Hollande in response to reports in Le Monde that the NSA accessed more than 70m phone records of French citizens in a single 30-day period, while earlier reports in Der Spiegel uncovered NSA activity against the offices and communications of senior officials of the European Union.

The European Commission, the executive body of the EU, this week backed proposals that could require US tech companies to seek permission before handing over EU citizens' data to US intelligence agencies, while the European parliament voted in favour of suspending a transatlantic bank data sharing agreement after Der Spiegel revealed the agency was monitoring the international bank transfer system Swift.
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October 24, 2013, 09:28:12 PM
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To be virtuous, one must practice virtue; to be vicious, one must practice vice; to expect others to be virtuous while one practices vice is mere hypocrisy.  Thus, the hypocrite is the hypocrite's greatest enemy, since one wants to be the exception while all others are not. 

Very well said my friend.
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October 24, 2013, 09:32:33 PM
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It's almost like we might need some responsible supra-national agency to be created that will stop these dastardly NSA people from being so overreaching...

Does anyone really believe that the Merkel government would release details of such a security breach into the soap-opera narrative of the world media if not to help "prove" the case for such a move?

I say it's bullshit. This is agenda driven, and maybe my interpretation of the agenda's direction is wrong, but when the highly questionable Hollande government is publicly complaining about similar stuff, I feel like concentrating less on the superficial details and more on than the implications of the pattern.

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October 25, 2013, 09:40:14 PM
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spooks spook foreign spooks... whod have ever thought that would happen?!?.
Getting caught doing it tho and outed, thats just embarrassing.
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It's almost like we might need some responsible supra-national agency to be created that will stop these dastardly NSA people from being so overreaching...

Does anyone really believe that the Merkel government would release details of such a security breach into the soap-opera narrative of the world media if not to help "prove" the case for such a move?

I say it's bullshit. This is agenda driven, and maybe my interpretation of the agenda's direction is wrong, but when the highly questionable Hollande government is publicly complaining about similar stuff, I feel like concentrating less on the superficial details and more on than the implications of the pattern.
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October 27, 2013, 04:02:19 AM
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http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.bild.de/politik/inland/spionage/obama-billigt-lauschangriff-auf-merkel-33140378.bild.html

(google translate)

     For, according to information from Bild am Sonntag in U.S. intelligence circles of the President 2010 by NSA chief Keith Alexander was personally informed about the covert operation against Merkel.

    “Obama has the action did not stop, but continue to operate,” said one of the NSA operation against Merkel intelligence officials familiar Bild am Sonntag.

    And not only that: Later at the White House ordered the NSA a comprehensive dossier on the Chancellor. For Obama, the senior NSA man, Merkel did not trust, wanted to know everything about the German: “Who is this woman exactly”….

    After Obama’s initiative reinforced the NSA eavesdropping activities against the Chancellor. They were not confined to the cell phone of the party CDU leader. The Americans cracked according to the information and the new, supposedly bug-proof phone that Merkel received only in the summer. This evidence to show that the eavesdropping attack against Merkel ran up to the recent past.
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October 28, 2013, 12:19:08 AM
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When you allow evil, it should come as no surprise when evil is inevitably used against you.  For someone like Merkel to be bothered by this is silly; she's the type of person who believes that hypocrisy should be the foundation of society, is it really that much different when America practices exceptionalism in the same fashion?  If Germany were in the boat America was in now, the same results would follow.

To be virtuous, one must practice virtue; to be vicious, one must practice vice; to expect others to be virtuous while one practices vice is mere hypocrisy.  Thus, the hypocrite is the hypocrite's greatest enemy, since one wants to be the exception while all others are not.  Merkel's now getting a taste of what her own practices tow.  Sadly, these are the people that are supposed to run our lives; they're certainly not philosophers, I can say this much.
Um... relinquish the empire maybe...??
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