Bitcoin Forum
December 11, 2019, 06:55:20 PM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 0.19.0.1 [Torrent]
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register More  
Pages: « 1 [2] 3 4 5 6 7 »  All
  Print  
Author Topic: DT1 users may be artificially increasing their own trust (Updated March 26th)  (Read 1860 times)
Jet Cash
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1456
Merit: 1805


Trying to preserve our heritage.


View Profile WWW
March 21, 2018, 10:32:24 AM
 #21


It is an interesting metric, but there are a lot of reasons why you can't necessarily draw conclusions from this alone. For example, each person's marketplace presence. Phillipma has a pretty large presence in the computer hardware section (if I'm not mistaken, I'm not looking up post history now, just recalling this from memory), Ognasty and Blazed in the Collectibles sections, myself in the Goods/Collectibles sections, and the others not as much.

I'd love to be active in the domain name sales section. Unfortunately there isn't one, and digital goods is full of stuff that gets bumped but doesn't appear to sell.

The sale of vitual assets, and the acceptance of Bitcoin in settlement, is one area where trust could be really helpful.

FreeBitcoinBets.com is for sale - PM me to buy it.

1576090520
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1576090520

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1576090520
Reply with quote  #2

1576090520
Report to moderator
1576090520
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1576090520

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1576090520
Reply with quote  #2

1576090520
Report to moderator
"Bitcoin: mining our own business since 2009" -- Pieter Wuille
Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction. Advertise here.
1576090520
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1576090520

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1576090520
Reply with quote  #2

1576090520
Report to moderator
1576090520
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1576090520

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1576090520
Reply with quote  #2

1576090520
Report to moderator
LoyceV
Legendary
*
Online Online

Activity: 1694
Merit: 5319


ArtIst > AI rtst


View Profile WWW
March 21, 2018, 11:14:29 AM
Merited by Foxpup (1)
 #22

theymos
160: -0 / +17
140: -0 / +15
+20: +2 (13.3%)
How does one become DT1? I always assumed they were hand-picked by theymos, which would put him at 100% by definition (which isn't necessarily a bad thing, just stating the obvious here).

It is an interesting metric, but there are a lot of reasons why you can't necessarily draw conclusions from this alone. For example, each person's marketplace presence. Phillipma has a pretty large presence in the computer hardware section (if I'm not mistaken, I'm not looking up post history now, just recalling this from memory), Ognasty and Blazed in the Collectibles sections, myself in the Goods/Collectibles sections, and the others not as much.
I've noticed before that many of the dark green trusted people are very active trading physical items, and earned most of their trust in those sections. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but it is something that can quite easily be farmed: buy some items from the right people now, and a year later you're at +80 or more!
I've also seen people receive green trust for participating in an escrow deal. The whole reason to use escrow is because they aren't trusted in the first place, so they shouldn't become more trusted after the deal.

hilariousetc
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1428
Merit: 2250


https://bitcoin.watfordfc.com


View Profile
March 21, 2018, 11:26:01 AM
Merited by Foxpup (1)
 #23

How does one become DT1? I always assumed they were hand-picked by theymos, which would put him at 100% by definition (which isn't necessarily a bad thing, just stating the obvious here).

Theymos is in charge of adding people to DT1.

I've noticed before that many of the dark green trusted people are very active trading physical items, and earned most of their trust in those sections. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but it is something that can quite easily be farmed: buy some items from the right people now, and a year later you're at +80 or more!

People obviously do just do trades with the right people to get trusted feedback. The easiest to abuse though are people selling digital goods for fairly cheap and that is what was happening with TheButterZone's emails he was selling. The vast majority - if not all - the people who purchased them had likely just worked out they could buy a cheap 'green feedback' from him. Buying physical goods is much more expensive and you have to give out personal information that exposes you which is something I wouldn't want to do here for obvious reasons.

Jet Cash
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1456
Merit: 1805


Trying to preserve our heritage.


View Profile WWW
March 21, 2018, 11:38:08 AM
 #24

Buying physical goods is much more expensive and you have to give out personal information that exposes you which is something I wouldn't want to do here for obvious reasons.

That isn't completely true. I can transfer a domain name to you without any information at all other than your registrar account name. This is true even if the name is worth several thosands of pounds ( or dollars ). It's called a registrar push, and I can order it through my registration panel just by entering your account name. I don't need any other details. I've got two stage verification, and locking on my names to prevent theft, but that is related to my account, and is not related to the gaining account.

FreeBitcoinBets.com is for sale - PM me to buy it.

LoyceV
Legendary
*
Online Online

Activity: 1694
Merit: 5319


ArtIst > AI rtst


View Profile WWW
March 21, 2018, 11:48:54 AM
 #25

People obviously do just do trades with the right people to get trusted feedback. The easiest to abuse though are people selling digital goods for fairly cheap and that is what was happening with TheButterZone's emails he was selling. The vast majority - if not all - the people who purchased them had likely just worked out they could buy a cheap 'green feedback' from him.
Based on checking his feedback, he hasn't sold any email forwarding since he was removed from DT2. That confirms your theory as of why people bought it.

Buying physical goods is much more expensive and you have to give out personal information that exposes you which is something I wouldn't want to do here for obvious reasons.
That isn't completely true. I can transfer a domain name to you without any information at all other than your registrar account name.
I wouldn't call a domain naim a physical good. Those are things you can touch after they arrive at your real shipping address.

Frij
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 18
Merit: 1


View Profile
March 21, 2018, 12:11:35 PM
 #26

That isn't completely true. I can transfer a domain name to you without any information at all other than your registrar account name...
A domain isn't a physical good. I expect that hilarious is referring more to places like the 'Collectibles' subforum, where actual physical items are bought and sold.



Based on checking his feedback, he hasn't sold any email forwarding since he was removed from DT2. That confirms your theory as of why people bought it.
It's likely a similar story to what happened with bigtimespaghetti and his coin making guide.
Jet Cash
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1456
Merit: 1805


Trying to preserve our heritage.


View Profile WWW
March 21, 2018, 01:20:36 PM
 #27

My apologies to Hilarious and the forum. Of course a domain name isn't a physical item. That will teach me to post whilst I am listening to YouTube.

I was listening to a report on the death of the last male white rhino, and I got fairly stressed over it.

FreeBitcoinBets.com is for sale - PM me to buy it.

FFrankie
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 1344
Merit: 888


View Profile
March 21, 2018, 02:19:21 PM
 #28

People obviously do just do trades with the right people to get trusted feedback. The easiest to abuse though are people selling digital goods for fairly cheap and that is what was happening with TheButterZone's emails he was selling. The vast majority - if not all - the people who purchased them had likely just worked out they could buy a cheap 'green feedback' from him.
Based on checking his feedback, he hasn't sold any email forwarding since he was removed from DT2. That confirms your theory as of why people bought it.

Buying physical goods is much more expensive and you have to give out personal information that exposes you which is something I wouldn't want to do here for obvious reasons.
That isn't completely true. I can transfer a domain name to you without any information at all other than your registrar account name.
I wouldn't call a domain naim a physical good. Those are things you can touch after they arrive at your real shipping address.

How can you say that TBZ hasn't sold any emails forwarding service since he was removed?

There are plenty of newbis that buy goods in the physical and don't get any trust
LoyceV
Legendary
*
Online Online

Activity: 1694
Merit: 5319


ArtIst > AI rtst


View Profile WWW
March 21, 2018, 02:45:03 PM
 #29

How can you say that TBZ hasn't sold any emails forwarding service since he was removed?

There are plenty of newbis that buy goods in the physical and don't get any trust
My assumption was based on TBZ leaving trust after a deal, but you're right, it's non-conclusive.

suchmoon
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2156
Merit: 4402


nanny of the forum


View Profile
March 21, 2018, 02:58:41 PM
Merited by Annon001 (1)
 #30

OP, you might be on to something but this needs work.

Making philipma1957 look like an example of some sort of abuse is quite ridiculous I think. He trades a lot, many here know his real name and address, AFAIK he even does re-shipping escrow. Basically what you're saying is that he should not deal with people in his trust list, or discourage them from posting positive trust for him, or not add people he's dealt with to his list just because of that. I don't see how that would improve the DT, quite the contrary I think. Phil's personal score is largely irrelevant anyway.

Do we know the date of when someone gets added to a trust list? I guess those who download trust dumps regularly could figure this out. Maybe that needs to be accounted for.

Quickseller
Copper Member
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1988
Merit: 1771



View Profile WWW
March 21, 2018, 03:03:41 PM
 #31


Buying physical goods is much more expensive and you have to give out personal information that exposes you which is something I wouldn't want to do here for obvious reasons.
Plenty of people who deal in physical goods use either a PO box or a drop shipping address, both of which are used in the regular course of business by many and it is generally trivial to obtain either of these without disclosing you identity.

Some people in the collectibles section also often have coins shipped to a third party, sometimes with the intent of the third party forewarding the coin to them, other times it appears they are making a proxy and/or straw purchase. Often times it is unclear that both physical transfer ownership transfer occurs in sales. I have also occasionally seen coins won in an auction only to have the buyer pay for the coin, have the seller not ship the coin and immediately list the coin for sale as being shipped from the original seller.

Find the fire hydrant in my Avatar for a prize.
hilariousetc
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1428
Merit: 2250


https://bitcoin.watfordfc.com


View Profile
March 21, 2018, 03:05:20 PM
Merited by Annon001 (1)
 #32

Theymos should probably consider tweaking the algorithm slightly. 'Micro-transactions' or deals of small amounts probably shouldn't count for much if anything at all and certainly shouldn't be giving people a +1 or 'green' feedack because it just leads to users seeking out doing certain deals as cheaply as possible purely for the feedback. As for escrow deals, maybe neutral feedback would be more appropriate.

OP, you might be on to something but this needs work.

Making philipma1957 look like an example of some sort of abuse is quite ridiculous I think.

I haven't looked into who he's added and for what, but people shouldn't really be added to DT just for doing one or two trades with them. People who have done this in the past have been removed from DT and rightly so. I think the feedbacks that person has left for others should carry just as much weight as the deals they have done with that person. If a person has only really left a few feedbacks then they're largely useless in the grand scheme of the network.

Plenty of people who deal in physical goods use either a PO box or a drop shipping address, both of which are used in the regular course of business by many and it is generally trivial to obtain either of these without disclosing you identity.

Some people in the collectibles section also often have coins shipped to a third party, sometimes with the intent of the third party forewarding the coin to them, other times it appears they are making a proxy and/or straw purchase. Often times it is unclear that both physical transfer ownership transfer occurs in sales. I have also occasionally seen coins won in an auction only to have the buyer pay for the coin, have the seller not ship the coin and immediately list the coin for sale as being shipped from the original seller.

PO boxes are usually very expensive (or at least they are here) and you need several forms of ID to prevent people using them for shenanigans. It wouldn't really be worth it just for the casual user, but if I had to buy something from here though I certainly wouldn't get it shipped straight to me.

Jet Cash
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1456
Merit: 1805


Trying to preserve our heritage.


View Profile WWW
March 21, 2018, 03:11:54 PM
 #33

Theymos should probably consider tweaking the algorithm slightly. 'Micro-transactions' or deals of small amounts probably shouldn't count for much if anything at all and certainly shouldn't be giving people a +1 or 'green' feedack because it just leads to users seeking out doing certain deals as cheaply as possible purely for the feedback. As for escrow deals, maybe neutral feedback would be more appropriate.


Or even free "transactions". I've got some positives on another forum for giving domain names to other members without charge. They were names that I was going to let drop, so they were of no value to me anyway, but they have given me a positive rating. In this case the rating is really a bit meaningless.

FreeBitcoinBets.com is for sale - PM me to buy it.

philipma1957
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2674
Merit: 2009



View Profile
March 21, 2018, 03:41:13 PM
Last edit: March 21, 2018, 04:52:45 PM by philipma1957
Merited by Annon001 (5), OgNasty (1)
 #34

I love this forum  and frankly  I don"t care about the trust rating I have.

As far as I am concerned I have pruned that list over and over and over and over again.

and I will prune it again. Today  right now

As for the newbie that started the thread  why don't  you come out from the shadows and let us know  whom  or who you are?






I have many  trusts I left out  look here:

over 70  to count them


Code:
Untrusted feedback

These ratings are from people who are not in your trust network. They may be totally inaccurate.


User Date Risked BTC amount Reference Comments
thesourc3 2018-03-20 0.00000000 Donated a $100 Bitmain coupon, came through within hours. I appreciate it!

MagicSmoker 2018-03-05 0.00350000 My first transaction with a Bitcointalk member couldn't have gone smoother!

bill gator 2018-02-18 0.06600000 Reference Acted very cool when it took me a bit to get payment in order and then went out of their way to accommodate me in multiple ways. Highly recommend, didn't even think to use escrow for over $700.

Caveman-Vegas 2018-02-13 0.22000000 Reference Another great escrow with Phil. Quick responses, very easy to work with. I highly recommend his services.

Caveman-Vegas 2018-02-09 20.00000000 Philip was the escrow for a transaction I did— I was the buyer. Everything went flawlessly.

Thank you!

JaredKaragen 2018-01-30 0.00550000 Reference Purchased a processor. Prompt replies and shipping info given. I would definitely do business with Phil again in the future.

Raymond_B 2018-01-26 0.05000000 Purchased a GTX 1070ti from Phil, it was promptly shipped and delivered. Thank you!

BenRickert 2018-01-25 1.50000000 I purchased an Antminer S9 from Philipma1957 directly. I've had previous experiences dealing with him that gave me confidence to trust him. I sent him the LTC payment prior to the miner arriving at his residence, knowing it was arriving 2-3 hours later. It did, and Philip immediately took it to the UPS location and shipped it in a double box, unopened from the original
Bitmain packaging. It arrived on schedule and is hashing away as I type. Philipma is 100% trustworthy and always goes the extra mile.
akamit 2018-01-22 0.00000000 Reference: Positive Rating Below My One.
**********************************

I'm really shocked after seeing the positive rating as the reference. He is really an honorable person.

Respect for you!

DinosaurBit 2017-12-28 0.01461600 Reference Delivered SP20 as promised. Extremely fast shipping. Smooth deal. Thanks a lot!

Tszunami98 2017-12-14 0.20000000 Reference I bought a pangloian miner from Phillip. Excelent collaboration.

oldmanjk 2017-12-11 0.02000000 Reference I sent .02 BTC for an Onda B250 BTC-D8P. He shipped it quickly. Works fine. This is my first purchase from him

Thanks again

ATCkit 2017-12-10 0.00000000 I have purchased twice from Phil. I didn't bother with escrow as he has high trust. He is a man of his word and sent me the items right away. In fact, I live in Canada and his shipments arrived faster than any other purchases from the US. He did not "hose me" for the shipping costs. A real stand up guy and true ambassador for the crypto industry.

JaredKaragen 2017-11-16 0.02743139 Reference Purchased motherboard. Prompt and proper shipping. 100% Trustworthy user.

darb21 2017-11-03 0.85800000 Did 2 deals with Phil as the escrow agent. He stayed on top of the process the whole time and kept us informed. Additionally, he was very responsive and quick to release funds when the buyers gave thumbs up. A+++++ stand up guy. Will definitely use again.

stugots2 2017-11-01 0.33000000 My second one this week with Phil and as always, outstanding experience all together!!!!!!! this guy goes above and beyond each and every time.

stugots2 2017-10-28 0.32000000 Phil is simply the best, nothing else can be said, JUST THE BEST.

I had 2 deals going with him at the same time (Escrow) not only did he do a fantastic / Fair job, the guy went above and beyond and helped me setup my purchased product, who does that????

+ just days before this Phil spent literally hours helping me try to fix my nightmare Avalon!!

Steamtyme 2017-09-15 0.41512000 Reference Phillipma1957- offered to Provide Escrow for the sale of an s-9, for myself and several units for others.
He did a great job put in a lot of work, and protected us from this scammer.
On top of that he used what he would have earned in Escrow fees, to refund us the .007 BTC shipping we had prepaid to the scammer.
100% trust and faith in any dealings I have Phillipma1957

Last of the V8s 2017-09-02 0.03000000 followed through - sent me some treasure

Erotic Toothpaste 2017-08-16 1.17000000 Reference Did an escrow for a Mac Book Pro. Everything went smooth and was professionally handled. Thanks again!

iwantapony 2017-07-25 1,500.00000000 I trust this guy !

mandertherick 2017-06-29 0.00154959 Reference Thank you very much! Cards worked perfectly.

techguy007 2017-06-23 0.40000000 escrowed 3 of my trades, cool guy, A+

Wusolini 2017-06-09 0.16000000 Escrowed me 0.16 BTC trade.

CardShare 2017-06-04 0.00000000 Great guy. His topics on development in the mining world are fantastic. Very pleasant guy to talk to and have vast knowledge of miners and all things bitcoin! A+ user

delicopsch56 2017-05-07 0.00000000 Just a class act, shares valuable info here everyday!

Akarabzie 2017-04-28 0.50000000 Bought (4) 480X 8GB cards from phil. He packed them well, all had original boxes/manuals/foam, and have been mining for 2 days with no issues. He even gave me a free mini atx mobo for free!
rifiuti 2017-04-08 0.00000000 I've been reading his threads and comments about mining equipments and tools. Very valuable person to this community. Keep up good work :)

Humanxlemming 2017-03-25 0.00000000 Just trade again with him very trustworthy

-My btc to his PP, smooth transact

Jdope 2017-03-23 0.00000000 Bought 2 MSI rx 470s, sent first and he shipped in the same day, fast, trustable and very friendly!

superiorus 2017-03-20 0.20000000 Great deal! Exchanged my 0.2 BTC for Paypal.
100% recommended!

miningdude 2017-02-19 0.00000000 Funny dude, make me laughs at his posts

what1005 2017-02-02 0.00000000 Good trader.

what1005 2017-01-25 0.00000000 I sent btc for Paypal

I sent BTC first.
rockmoney 2016-11-24 0.00000000 Sent Items I won in an auction to benefit GekkoScience before I fully paid. Items arrived FAST, all were working, & even included some free items he knew I needed.

Very trustworthy in my opinion, & was very kind, helpful, generous, & polite!

Last of the V8s 2016-10-29 3.13370000 Reference Ran a good game

-EOS- 2016-10-17 0.00000000 Phil sold and shipped miner as described, fast. Will work with him again in a heart beat.

bigs21024 2016-07-02 0.15000000 Reference I bought a script miner from edonkey and Phil did escrow and he was great at it. Very hands on with the deal and great communication. Super cheap for the work he did will do business again and will also tell others. Thanks so much job well done sir!

DanDan 2016-06-02 0.00000000 I won his difficulty prediction game and he paid me asap.

aarons6 2016-05-14 1.15000000 Bought an Avalon6, rpi, psu and all the cords to go with it.. very fast shipping and very well packaged.. he even mined on my pool for me for a week while it was being shipped. thanks again..

TheButterZone 2016-04-28 0.75500000 Reference Great deal, fast shipping, thanks!

utbeauchamp 2016-04-06 0.10000000 Was involved in a Avalon 6 group buy that was undermined by Bitmain, but Phil sold me a fan for my new A6 (from HolyScott) and sent me the controller for free. Awesome guy to deal with. Very helpful and trustworthy!

buyandhold 2016-03-19 0.00000000 Reference Ran a competition and paid the winner as promised

aarons6 2016-03-11 0.27000000 Bought a power supply.. he also threw in some insulated duct to help keep my s7 quiet.. works great.. thanks again.

wikkidtt 2016-02-09 0.00000000 Fast transaction on a S7 coupon. Much appreciated. Great asset to the Bitcoin community!

Cyper_BLC 2016-02-08 0.00000000 helpful man.. thanks

bctmke 2016-02-05 2.80000000 Phil as always was a gentleman and a scholar. He took care of another Avalon 6 group buy. My miner went where it was supposed to and was available when he said it would be.

kipper01 2016-01-28 2.56000000 Reference Phil was nice and easy to work with on this Avalon 6 group buy.
Would definitely do transactions with him in the future.

aarons6 2015-12-11 0.02500000 He gave me a USB hub and a Y-USB cable, all i paid was shipping.. Thanks again.. its working great..

tss 2015-09-18 0.00000000 Reference i won the diff thread pool. paid quickly by suchmoon. thanks phil for running the game.

tss 2015-09-18 0.10000000 Reference sent .1 btc for a surprise box. he shipped within 24 hours on a saturday and i got it very quick. box was worth it. highly recommended.

edric 2015-09-07 0.00000000 Thanks for answering my mining question!

edric 2015-09-06 0.00000000 Helped me with my mining equipment questions. Thanks!

Kexkey 2015-05-28 5.00000000 Reference Phil has been very transparent, patient and generous when managing the CKPool-Solo Club. Very trustworthy and active in the forums, helping a lot of people. Would do business with him again without hesitating.

btc2code 2015-05-15 1.15380000 Reference Escrow for a trade on 399.9USD Amazon order to 280USD worth BTC between me and

DeathEscaped. Very smooth transaction!

5w00p 2015-05-07 1.11000000 Performed escrow for me. Honest escrow. Thank you.

Muhammed Zakir 2015-01-10 0.00000000 Reference Trustworthy user! Pruned the list just after telling!

Quickseller 2015-01-10 0.00000000 Reference philipma1957 was made aware of the fact that his trust list was compromised of many people who probably should not have been on level 2 default trust after he was promoted to level 1 default trust. He quickly pruned his trust list which protected the community from people who may potentially act maliciously in the future. +1

cryptoglance 2014-12-30 0.30000000 Reference Told me valuable information regarding the Bitmain S5, directed me towards the correct fan type to replace on the miner

Albertdroid 2014-12-17 0.48000000 Reference Bought Antminer S3, Quick status updates and delivered promptly. A Trustworthy person. TY!

boldar 2014-12-06 0.55005500 Reference Bought 1 Antminer S3 with PSU from Phil. The transaction was smooth as silk! He really went above and beyond to make the experience better by proving the hashrate on my own pool overnight, sending shipping verification and being generally helpful. Very well spoken in his communication. This guy is a good honest member that the community should look towards as an example of how everything should be :) Looking forward to dealing with him again soon!
Xtra7973 2014-10-18 0.50000000 He gave me a great deal on a couple psu's two switches two fans and even gave me some extra wires. I wouldn't hesitate to make any deals with him. Before I could even send him a thank you in a PM he already printed out a shipping label with tracking for me. Fast shipping. Great guy thanks again

de_ixie 2014-08-26 0.65000000 Sold me a S3 for 0.65 BC, I paid upfront, he honored the deal, highly trusted member

MoreBloodWine 2014-08-09 0.00000000 No reference link available, deal was done via PM.

I asked if he could order a Toshiba laptop recovery disc set for me. I offered to pay first but like the nice guy that he is, he ordered first and then asked for payment.

This is my second dealing with him and I couldn't be happier, Thx Philip !

SDRebel 2014-06-27 0.50000000 bought gridseeds from him twice. both times he was clear on the terms, quick to ship, provided tracking info and updates. everything was clear and well and also offered help when needed. awesome.

RitzGrandCasino 2014-05-29 0.00000000 Reference trusted great signature member

MunkeySpaz 2014-05-17 0.55590000 Reference He was very honest and worked with me. Met in a public place during the day and everything worked out perfect.
Was for Antminer S1, Seasonic PSU for .5559 ($250)

dyland 2014-05-05 0.53600000 Acted as escrow for my sale of Dualminer USBs to stex2009.

Very professional and much appreciated.

sebdude420 2014-04-19 1.00000000 Great guy, always pays on time, ships on time. Ol' time miner. :D

tripppn 2014-02-17 0.09000000 Phil sold me a PSU and shipped it immediately and it arrived ahead of scheduled. Thanks!

crocko 2014-01-16 0.25000000 I sent 0.25 BTC to philip as payment for 5 shares from DZMC without escrow. Very trustworthy member. I recommend !

Delarock 2014-01-14 0.12000000 Sent first for a hub, received without issue with extras. Answered all my questions, great transaction.

MoreBloodWine 2014-01-13 0.03600000 I paid him $30 for 0.036 BTC and it was promptly received in about 1 hr.

Ty !

CoinGeneral 2013-11-29 0.12300000 Awesome trader. Risked $100 which is .123 BTC at the time, package arrived with all working pristine condition items with original packaging in promptly 3 days.

Would trade again yes.

btceic 2013-10-30 0.00000000 Phil is a great seller, very fair negotiations and fast professional shipping.

Purchased 21 asic miner USB sticks.

bronxnua 2013-10-29 0.00000000 Where did you get those fans used on the 49 usb hub ? I can't post pm or reply to messages.



my trust list is here


-ck
CrazyGuy
Unacceptable
kano
champbronc2
Cablez
davecoin
~TheButterZone
iluvpcs
crashoveride54902
Stunna
lazlopanaflex
buysolar
not.you
TookDk
Chris_Sabian
DefaultTrust
Stratobitz
Blazed
btcxcg
~MoreBloodWine
~pcfli
edonkey
HagssFIN
wlefever
generalt
nicehash
Mikestang
vg54dett
AriesIV10
VoskCoin
~philippma1957
~Cryptotradenz


let us all go over it together

-ck ---------------------------- Stays
CrazyGuy ---------------------- Stays
kano --------------------------- Stays
buysolar ----------------------- Stays
HagssFIN -----------------------Stays
edonkey ----------------------- Stays
generalt ----------------------- Stays
VoskCoin ---------------------- Stays


Unacceptable ------------- ?    I have not done anything with him  since 2013 off my list
champbronc2  -------------- ? No longer active off my list

Cablez ----------------------- ? Stays as he has not done anything wrong I will keep an eye on him to see if he stays active

davecoin -------------------- ? has not done anything wrong  since my 1 deal with him and is an active member  stays
iluvpcs ---------------------- ? no longer active off my list
crashoveride54902 --------- ? no lunger active off my list

Stunna ---------------------- ? -------- Stays

lazlopanaflex ---------------- ? -------- Stays I know him from another forum and he has done nothing wrong
not.you --------------------- ? ---------- Stays
TookDk ---------------------- ? ---------- off list because  we have not done a deal in 5 years
Chris_Sabian --------------- ? ----------- off list no longer active
Stratobitz -------------------- ? ---------- off list we have not done business in years
Blazed ----------------------- ? ----------- stays we did multiple deals and he has not done anyone wrong that I can see
btcxcg ------------------------- ? --------- off list our deals are old  and all his deals for trust are old
wlefever ----------------------- ? --------- stays  
Mikestang ---------------------? ---------- stays
vg54dett ---------------------- ? ----------- stays
AriesIV10 --------------------- ? ----------- Stays

nicehash ---------------------- I will take them off

DefaultTrust

~MoreBloodWine
~pcfli
~TheButterZone
~philippma1957
~Cryptotradenz

I see BTC as the super highway and alt coins as taxis and trucks needed to move transactions.
suchmoon
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2156
Merit: 4402


nanny of the forum


View Profile
March 21, 2018, 03:50:57 PM
 #35

I haven't looked into who he's added and for what, but people shouldn't really be added to DT just for doing one or two trades with them. People who have done this in the past have been removed from DT and rightly so. I think the feedbacks that person has left for others should carry just as much weight as the deals they have done with that person. If a person has only really left a few feedbacks then they're largely useless in the grand scheme of the network.

That's exactly what the OP's numbers don't account for. Perhaps some sort of deeper analysis of downlevel trust feedback would help, e.g. how active the "subordinates" are. In any case, I disagree with the OP framing this as "manipulation" unless it can be proven that the DT1 member did it for reasons inconsistent with the purpose of the DT (murky, I know).

SaltySpitoon
Legendary
*
Online Online

Activity: 2324
Merit: 2001


Welcome to the SaltySpitoon, how Tough are ya?


View Profile
March 21, 2018, 04:07:03 PM
Merited by suchmoon (1)
 #36

This is somewhat related, but I personally feel that Feedback should be given without any second thought to the potential green numbers for any trade, as long as long as its accurate. If someone wanted to do a 0.001 BTC trade with me, where the funds are escrowed, I wouldn't hesitate to leave them accurate feedback saying they did the trade with me, I risked 0 BTC because the funds were escrowed, and how the deal went. The whole concept of farming feedback seems flawed to me, because green numbers shouldn't mean anything by themselves. Its the quality and contents of the feedback itself.

Because this is an issue in the first place, I'd love to see an option to leave people feedback without it being included in feedback score calculation. I'd far prefer an Ebay type feedback system, where before you buy something from someone, you quickly check their negatives to see if they ship things that "don't arrive", or arrive broken, etc. The issue of retaliatory feedback could also be addressed by having a comment section where a person could respond to their own feedback.

hilariousetc
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1428
Merit: 2250


https://bitcoin.watfordfc.com


View Profile
March 21, 2018, 04:18:29 PM
Merited by Annon001 (1)
 #37

The whole concept of farming feedback seems flawed to me, because green numbers shouldn't mean anything by themselves. Its the quality and contents of the feedback itself.

But people do put a lot of weight on it. Feedback = trustability to a lot of people (though it obviously shouldn't). I've seen people offering their services here and calling themselves a 'trusted user' just because they did a few deals with the right people. It's like a badge of honour to a lot of people and I suppose it gives them the edge over someone who has zero feedback so that's why it's worth something. Some campaigns have even started offering higher payments if you've got it which is ludicrous and just encourages more abuse. 

Because this is an issue in the first place, I'd love to see an option to leave people feedback without it being included in feedback score calculation. I'd far prefer an Ebay type feedback system, where before you buy something from someone, you quickly check their negatives to see if they ship things that "don't arrive", or arrive broken, etc. The issue of retaliatory feedback could also be addressed by having a comment section where a person could respond to their own feedback.

You can leave them neutral. An ebay-like system is far from perfect as well and wouldn't really work on here for numerous reasons.

philipma1957
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2674
Merit: 2009



View Profile
March 21, 2018, 04:38:21 PM
 #38

So I altered list and I am now at 536 vs 670

Not sure how op wrote numbers up.

But  I had already left out 70+ feedbacks 

So At this point I will look to alter it more if possible

I see BTC as the super highway and alt coins as taxis and trucks needed to move transactions.
TMAN
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1344
Merit: 1660

https://bit.ly/2PeFmvJ TMAN SERVICES BITCHES


View Profile WWW
March 21, 2018, 04:42:16 PM
 #39

So I altered list and I am now at 536 vs 670

Not sure how op wrote numbers up.

But  I had already left out 70+ feedbacks 

So At this point I will look to alter it more if possible

thanks - even though it is a small change its great to see you take this seriously, unlike the other guys in question

.FORTUNE.JACK.
      ▄▄███████▄▄
   ▄████▀▀ ▄ ██████▄
  ████ ▄▄███ ████████
 █████▌▐███▌ ▀▄ ▀█████
███████▄██▀▀▀▀▄████████
█████▀▄▄▄▄█████████████
████▄▄▄▄ █████████████
 ██████▌ ███▀████████
  ███████▄▀▄████████
   ▀█████▀▀███████▀
      ▀▀██████▀▀
         
         █
...FortuneJack.com                                             
...THE BIGGEST BITCOIN GAMBLING SITE
       ▄▄█████████▄▄
    ▄█████████████████▄
  ▄█████████████████████▄
 ▄██
█████████▀███████████▄
██████████▀   ▀██████████
█████████▀       ▀█████████
████████           ████████
████████▄   ▄ ▄   ▄████████
██████████▀   ▀██████████
 ▀██
█████████████████████▀
  ▀██
███████████████████▀
    ▀█████████████████▀
       ▀▀█████████▀▀
#JACKMATE
WIN 1 BTC
▄█████████████████████████▄
███████████████████████████
███████████████████████████
██████████▀█████▀██████████
███████▀░░▀░░░░░▀░░▀███████
██████▌░░░░░░░░░░░░░▐██████
██████░░░░██░░░██░░░░██████
█████▌░░░░▀▀░░░▀▀░░░░▐█████
██████▄░░▄▄▄░░░▄▄▄░░▄██████
████████▄▄███████▄▄████████

███████████████████████████
███████████████████████████
▀█████████████████████████▀


The Avatar:
SaltySpitoon
Legendary
*
Online Online

Activity: 2324
Merit: 2001


Welcome to the SaltySpitoon, how Tough are ya?


View Profile
March 21, 2018, 04:51:30 PM
Merited by hilariousandco (1), LoyceV (1)
 #40

But people do put a lot of weight on it. Feedback = trustability to a lot of people (though it obviously shouldn't). I've seen people offering their services here and calling themselves a 'trusted user' just because they did a few deals with the right people. It's like a badge of honour to a lot of people and I suppose it gives them the edge over someone who has zero feedback so that's why it's worth something. Some campaigns have even started offering higher payments if you've got it which is ludicrous and just encourages more abuse. 

I feel that is their problem more than anyone else's. Feedback should be taken exactly for what it is, not some algorithm created green numbers. If someone has 100 positive feedback for 0.001 BTC trades, that wouldn't mean I'd trust them with 1 BTC even if their score is higher than someone I would trust with 1 BTC. If someone does a trade, I believe they deserve accurate feedback for it. I really don't like the green/red numbers. They are a cop out for people who don't feel they need to read a person's feedback and judge its validity for themselves. I've added a few people to my trust list in the past that asked me to remove them because they didn't want to have to change any of their feedback habits because of cases like this, and I really think its a shame. I added them specifically for their feedback habits, and those are exactly the type of people that I think needed to be on DT.


You can leave them neutral. An ebay-like system is far from perfect as well and wouldn't really work on here for numerous reasons.

Neutral kind of has its own connotation to it. Of course I read someone's neutral trust before I judge what it means, but that split second before I start reading and I see that font, I think that its someone on DT that wanted to give a negative for something, but because of their position decided against it. I find its more useful for comments about a person, their behavior, or just general notes that you think someone should see before they trade with that person. It doesn't feel right to give someone a neutral when you've done a successful trade with them.

As far as the Ebay like feedback system is concerned, I meant in format, not with the backing of a paid central company monitoring it. You leave someone feedback, and its saved on a page that can be brought up and filtered if someone would like to search through it, and a field where the person can respond on their own profile to claims against them.

Pages: « 1 [2] 3 4 5 6 7 »  All
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Sponsored by , a Bitcoin-accepting VPN.
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!