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May 01, 2018, 07:47:11 AM
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There are so many ways of hiding the destination of the scammers coins that it is virtually impossible to trace it. A lot of sites on the internet will allow you to register without KYC/AML requirements and you can push those coins through these services. They also allow you to change the sender address, to withdraw from their services and some even mix your coins.

A lot of these sites goes down and then resurface under a new domain, so you cannot trace any logs, because they are destroyed or not even logged by these sites. A lot of people open multiple accounts, which makes this even more difficult to follow. 

False. This may have been the case back in the Silk Road days but Bitcoin can definitely be traced now. This is why many deep web markets have switched over to Monero.

If you ONLY deal from bitcoin to bitcoin it is possible to remain anonymous... the problem is that most people, at some point, buy bitcoin with fiat. If the government/someone really wanted to track down a transaction, they can do so even through bitcoin mixers and whatnot.

How are governments going to determine where you bought bitcoins, if you bought it with cash from a trusted trader? I never re-use any address, so they will not link any addresses to services that I use. You do not need Monero or Dash to be 100% anonymous, if you are using Bitcoin in the correct manner.

I have never heard of anyone that used mixer services to mix their coins and who had their coins tracked after that. If you are so quick to say that my statements are false, then give me examples or links to those data.  Wink

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May 01, 2018, 07:44:41 PM
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Is there anyway to track scammers who scammed bitcoins and ethereum? Google search for public addresses don't find a thing.

Is there any tool where i can input addresses and it analyses it? I know there is block explorers but is there anything better?

you can use walletexplorer to link addresses to wallets
https://www.walletexplorer.com/

IIRC, these guys also have commercial products that dig deeper into the data..

If i'm not mistaking, this tool works by tracking when unspent outputs that funded different addresses are combined as input for a new transaction. However, if your attacker is smart enough, or used a mixer (or equivalent), this tool won't work... I don't think there are tools that are able to track attackers that actually know what they're doing, and cover their tracks...

I sent for the first time in bitcoin, received and sent, had a tranaction in history. on friday, now I/m not seeing anything in history. why is this. Plus the person I sent activation for is not responding. did I get scammed?
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May 02, 2018, 11:24:48 PM
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Is there anyway to track scammers who scammed bitcoins and ethereum? Google search for public addresses don't find a thing.

Is there any tool where i can input addresses and it analyses it? I know there is block explorers but is there anything better?

you can use walletexplorer to link addresses to wallets
https://www.walletexplorer.com/

IIRC, these guys also have commercial products that dig deeper into the data..

If i'm not mistaking, this tool works by tracking when unspent outputs that funded different addresses are combined as input for a new transaction. However, if your attacker is smart enough, or used a mixer (or equivalent), this tool won't work... I don't think there are tools that are able to track attackers that actually know what they're doing, and cover their tracks...
When you are interested to find the scammer you must do everything like you can find them in the google and find the link of addresses
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May 04, 2018, 11:02:58 AM
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this is almost impossible task, and even if you can track it, it will require alot of money
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May 04, 2018, 08:32:12 PM
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I think you can trace it only to but navryatli you can monitor the output of the Fiat because there are a lot of ways not registrirovat or register for a front person! If the scammer is engaged in a dirty business he's already got it all figured out how to not be caught! Good luck to you!
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May 06, 2018, 12:23:58 AM
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With Etherscan you can tag addresses with well known scammers. Also something that isn't discussed often is that there is a good amount of scammers on Telegram groups acting as influencers attempting to collaborate with ICOs. Make sure that you perform your due diligence and verify their account.
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May 15, 2018, 01:44:00 PM
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I have once a victim of scammer, but in an other way. Someone message me in my bct account, it contains a link. Then if you click, it look like the bitcointalk welcome page that you need to login but I notice the url that has no bitcointalk in it and also im already login in bct. It has also no captcha requirement so I think it is a scam. Please be guided everyone who read this.  Smiley Smiley
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May 23, 2018, 02:30:22 PM
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What about security features to avoid such a situation from arising in the first place? Could you please lay out some do's and don'ts?

What kind of situation are you exactly talking about? Being scammed in general?

The most important step to avoid getting scammed is to use your common sense.
This may sound trivial, but a lot of people seem to just turn their brain off when looking for the next 'moon shot'.

Do: Read the whitepaper, think about the whole project when investing, ...
Don't: Trust random stranger on the internet


Security. You need to secure your coins as good as possible.
A hardware wallet is the first step into a best possible secured storage for your funds.

Do: Install an Anti virus software, Do perform updates regularly (driver + OS), always keep backups, ..
Don't: Store too much money on a hot wallet, download shady software, use torrents/cracked software, ...

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May 23, 2018, 02:49:55 PM
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Have you tried www.walletexplorer.com?
Blue Protocol (BLUE) has interesting ideas for tracking scammers.
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May 29, 2018, 11:20:35 PM
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What about security features to avoid such a situation from arising in the first place? Could you please lay out some do's and don'ts?

What kind of situation are you exactly talking about? Being scammed in general?

The most important step to avoid getting scammed is to use your common sense.
This may sound trivial, but a lot of people seem to just turn their brain off when looking for the next 'moon shot'.

Do: Read the whitepaper, think about the whole project when investing, ...
Don't: Trust random stranger on the internet


Security. You need to secure your coins as good as possible.
A hardware wallet is the first step into a best possible secured storage for your funds.

Do: Install an Anti virus software, Do perform updates regularly (driver + OS), always keep backups, ..
Don't: Store too much money on a hot wallet, download shady software, use torrents/cracked software, ...
These are just really basic steps for a crypto dude to follow and even just with our common sense we can able to spot out a potential scam attempt but still even how basic these things are, people do always failed it up to follow which it would really result into a disaster and later on they do cry out publicly that he lost his coins or being scammed by any investment.I dont see a point or trying to solve out figuring addresses being used on scamming even you do find out you cant still get those bitcoins back.

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May 30, 2018, 12:43:27 PM
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These are just really basic steps for a crypto dude to follow and even just with our common sense we can able to spot out a potential scam attempt but still even how basic these things are, people do always failed it up to follow which it would really result into a disaster and later on they do cry out publicly that he lost his coins or being scammed by any investment.

Unfortunately this still has to be mentioned since quite a big portion of users here just want to get quick rich.
And it is even worse that these people don't know how cryptocurrencies work at all. For them it is just 'a program' with 'blockchain' which makes you rich.

The last time some morons shilled a project in a discord chat, i went to the projects website, opened the whitepaper and saw something like this:

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.. we use most secured encryption algorithm (SHA-512) ..

Thats where i stopped reading and tried to open the eyes of those stupid 'investors' in discord.

Unfortunately they didn't understand the difference between an encryption algorithm and a hash function.
They still were convinced this is a 'legit' and 'good' project.  Roll Eyes


Even stupid 'developer' can scam more-stupid 'investors'.



I dont see a point or trying to solve out figuring addresses being used on scamming even you do find out you cant still get those bitcoins back.

Well, but you can take legal actions against them (at least under some circumstances, considering it is blatant scam (e.g. shitconnect)).

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Unfortunately they didn't understand the difference between an encryption algorithm and a hash function.
This is one of the main reasons why people do easily being fooled on where they do lacked knowledge and they dont really mind on learning up on what are those technical aspects and they do believe directly as long they earn money then it would be already a convincing thing for them.


Well, but you can take legal actions against them (at least under some circumstances, considering it is blatant scam (e.g. shitconnect)).
You have a point where there are several projects being bust out and traced up but it would still depend on how serious and dedicated for its investors to make such action but mostly people do cry and forget and later on making the same thing all over again.

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June 01, 2018, 11:41:17 AM
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Tracing bitcoin and etherium scammers are so hard enough i didnt get some news that they have been reported. You definitely cannot search it into google because first, cryptocurrency is decentralize and its users are anonymous. Least we can do now is not to be fooled by those too good to be true lies those scammers promote in us.

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June 03, 2018, 05:46:57 AM
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Tracing bitcoin and etherium scammers are so hard enough i didnt get some news that they have been reported. You definitely cannot search it into google because first, cryptocurrency is decentralize and its users are anonymous. Least we can do now is not to be fooled by those too good to be true lies those scammers promote in us.

Well he still can track the wallet, and eventually the tokens will sooner or later be traded on an exchange, then he could contact them directly.


Most of the BeeTokens Scam Mail Ether was sent to Cryptopia and Kraken within a few hours.
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Scammers are getting increasingly sophisticated in their attempts to get your money or personal details. Be alert and protect yourself from being scammed by following our tips. ... Scammers can use your information and pictures to create a fake identity or to target you with a scam.
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June 10, 2018, 04:32:51 AM
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You can ask similar question as "Can we decrypto a crypto". Answer is same if FBI is investigating a terorist it has enough bugdet and knowlodge to find hack the code.Its just need some time. But if you are searcing a way to crack any code probably you dont have enough budget and knowlegde. So as an answer yes there are ways to find to a hacker or scammer but real question is your budget. FBI busted silkroad and btc-e related scammers. so you cant say btc is totally anonymous, cash is more anonymous than btc, at least it doesnt have trace. So btc having tracable data there may be some tools. But again if somebody have a great tool for following and cathing scammers that shouldnt be reachable for everyone. Because if hackers see that tool they may prevent theirselves from it. So we may guess fbi has a secret wepon somewhere out there.So if you had any problem related with blockchain prosecutions are your best option. Maybe there are private security firms also that can do this.
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June 10, 2018, 03:20:23 PM
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Is there anyway to track scammers who scammed bitcoins and ethereum? Google search for public addresses don't find a thing.

Is there any tool where i can input addresses and it analyses it? I know there is block explorers but is there anything better?

you can use walletexplorer to link addresses to wallets
https://www.walletexplorer.com/

IIRC, these guys also have commercial products that dig deeper into the data..

If i'm not mistaking, this tool works by tracking when unspent outputs that funded different addresses are combined as input for a new transaction. However, if your attacker is smart enough, or used a mixer (or equivalent), this tool won't work... I don't think there are tools that are able to track attackers that actually know what they're doing, and cover their tracks...
Well i am also new to this system and thanks for this info it will be a future reference one day. And another thing also i would like to trace some of the bitcoin transaction from wallet to wallet to this link being identified. If this works but if will not then probably i will read some of the members input in this thread. Anyways i am still thankful though.
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If I can summarize the matter, it just depends on the amount of ressource the attacker (the one who wants to find the identity of the scammer) is ready to spend on that attack, and on the value of the target (is the scammer a high-valued target ?).
In the amount of ressources to spend, you can't just take into account the money part, you also have to think about all the implications about laws, public relations (if the attacker is using some processes that are designated as close to be illegal, it will have to justify his acts to newspaper and to the public for example).

And in that simple equation, you just salt it with the anonymizing-techs that the scammer is using.

And then, you got your answer if it's techniccaly possible or not, and if it's worth considering for the authorities to catch the scammers (or other people breaking the laws).
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