Your police reports needed. Patrick Strateman - Buddy wants his Bitcoins.

[Atruk]

Ah more about Patrick Strateman and Amir. These people are sick and disgusting. Why is Amir being allowed into Bitcoin conferences? If I knew of a conference that let this guy in I would tell the entire community to shun the organizers.

Amir and Patrick have ruined so many lives in Bitcoin.

To anyone in Bitcoin that entertains, hangs out with or accepts either of these demons, please get lost! Understand these people are evil and need to get the message they are no longer welcome in this community.

To the OP, I doubt you will get anything from them, you are asking thieves, people with no ethics and only out for themselves for your property back. I am so sorry.

You all need to understand people like this, they will destroy a million lives just to better their own by 1%, people like this are a drain on society and we must reject them.

Amir apparently get welcomed back because he disappeared for a while and people forgot about his sins.

http://trilema.com/2012/amir-taaki-has-done-and-continues-to-do-huge-disservice-to-anyone-serious-involved-in-bitcoin/

[icicle]

Donald,

[another email]

Oh do please define 'abusive' Donald - in the context of killing a little girl's pet.

What do you feel is the appropriate level of incandescence I should be displaying? How upset do you think a person should be feeling about losing a family member to some else's hissy fit? 'Mildly peeved'? 'Pretty upset'? Or 'Oh well that's less dog food to buy'?

Say if a polite email is a 'zero' and killing a family member is a 'ten', I should think getting irate and pointing out a few home truths on a forum is about a 'three', isn't it? I'm at about a three.

What number do you think Strateman is at? Shall we post a poll and vote on it?

You used the word 'abusive' four times in your email, and accuse me of abuse and do you know what I hear?

"People need to show some fucking respect".

No. People need to show some fucking bitcoins, Donald.

[2D]

Wait, so because you put all your eggs in one basket and now it's come to bite you in the ass, somebody else is responsible for you not being able to afford care for your dog? Seems to me like your poor judgement is more to blame than anything else. This reminds me of all the victims of Pirate who "invested" in his 7% per week totally legit investment program. I think both parties share fairly equal portions of responsibility... one side through ill-intent, the other through reckless stupidity.

That being said, it does seem like Stateman is being a little bitch about this and could easily afford to accommodate you, even if on a one-off case. Seriously, 50 BTC or so seems like a pittance compared to what he's probably sitting on.  Patrick, if you're reading this, just return Icicle's Bitcoins if for no other reason than we don't have to see this damn thread being bumped every few hours, FFS.

[icicle]

I put a day's wages into it long ago, then when I noticed it would now be enough to save a very sick rescue dog I adopted him.

Not that it matters, because a breach of contract is a breach of contract, and contract law is the basis for all commerce.

And thank you. When even someone who thinks I'm an idiot is telling Strateman to get his shit together, it is certainly time for Strateman to get his shit together.

I think he is leaving it until after I announce the dog is dead. Then it will be "Whoops! I never saw your support ticket gosh I'm so sorry" - or at least that would have been the original plan. I can prove it's rubbish though, so he is pretty much backed into a corner now, and if, god forbid, the jury in Cartmell get to see Buddy's ashes piled up, his ass is toast, and so is everyone's bitcoins

Except four people's bitcoins.

I think there is a way out for him without losing face though. I'll think on it some more.

[icicle]

And now he's closed my support ticket. Still hasn't logged me in, but managed to take time out of his busy day to close my support ticket.

I guess he feels at this stage he has nothing to lose.

I dunno about that. I haven't lived in the US long, but I get the feeling a judge looks on a thief one way and a thief who is also a dog murdering bastard another.

No wonder Amir and Donald are going bonkers. 'Oh he's such a nice guy really' 'Oh he would never do that!'

Well he is doing that, isn't he? He also turned you both into fugitives.

[dank]

icicle, this must be tough, but if all hope is lost in getting your bitcoins back, there is still hope.

I don't know what you're opinion is on this, but I'll tell you because I believe it.  My neighbors dog, Sam, had cancer and was scheduled to die within the next couple weeks.  I refused to accept that as the truth and instead believed to myself and to Sam that he was a healthy dog with no sickness.  Whenever I saw him I would envision Sam as a healthy dog, when I played guitar I would repeat lines about Sam being healthy.  I even had a dream I was petting him.  Shortly after, I hear his cancer has gone away and he's still with us to this day.

I'm not trying to guarantee or set expectations, but I want you to know it is possible he will be okay if you, I and everyone else views him as a healthy dog.  I will pray for him and send him my love, believing he is healthy.

If all else fails, one option is faith healing and it's more viable of an option than one would believe.

I hope your heart is open to this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-J7cnUV28Q

Does buddy have a last name I can include in my meditation?

[icicle]

Hey, Dank, what a lovely message!

What can I say? I have seen some strange things in my time, and done plenty of them, though not, as I recall, this type of healing. I find I cannot control the visualization nor summon the subtlety required for tinkering on what I would assume is the quantum level?

So yes, certainly open to assistance from anyone who can provide it, and thank you! xxx

And I shall be getting my bitcoins. I see that as clearly as you can see a healthy dog. How hard people want to make it on themselves is between them and their Karma >

[Tomatocage]

Please pet Buddy for me. He looks like a nice puppy

[icicle]

Please pet Buddy for me. He looks like a nice puppy

I just did, and told him it was from you!

I was wondering... There is a certain amount of evidence ('Steve_bobs' anyone?) to suggest not every hack that obscured the disaster that was the takeover of Bitcoinica was legit.

The Bitcoin Consultancy's refusal to call in the police would presumably indicate the police would find something Strateman didn't want them to find. Zhou's 'playing the forum like a fiddle' would indicate he already knew Intersango were not going to call the police. Plus Strateman hates Zhou, and with a passion.

Strateman collects examples of Intersango vulnerabilities and fails to fix them, firehoses 511 bitcoins at random strangers and hangs about in his rivals' support channels on irc presumably looking for vulnerabilities -  and then there are lots of tiny forced transactions such as the guy who told me he had to smuggle his balance out 'one bitcoin at a time'!

And then, there is no business model, <ahem>.


I'm thinking the plan all along was to rob Bitcoinica, but Zhou got there first and maybe even caught someone in the act and did a deal with them?

That all sounds a bit fanciful to me, but it does make sense of the little oddities here and there. It also opens up a brand new option for the Bitcoinica victims. All of them, not just the ones who can afford to sue, and at better than $11 per bitcoin.

A criminal prosecution against Strateman for Grand Theft, with a request for asset forfeiture, then everyone has a 30 day window to put in claims in for the return of their actual bitcoins.

[dank]

Pet buddy for me too, if you would.

Send him the good vibes.

I will be meditating for Buddy throughout the next week or so, I hope you can do the same (OP, anybody).  Just believe he is a healthy dog.

[Atruk]

Please pet Buddy for me. He looks like a nice puppy

I just did, and told him it was from you!

I was wondering... There is a certain amount of evidence ('Steve_bobs' anyone?) to suggest not every hack that obscured the disaster that was the takeover of Bitcoinica was legit.

The Bitcoin Consultancy's refusal to call in the police would presumably indicate the police would find something Strateman didn't want them to find. Zhou's 'playing the forum like a fiddle' would indicate he already knew Intersango were not going to call the police. Plus Strateman hates Zhou, and with a passion.

Strateman collects examples of Intersango vulnerabilities and fails to fix them, firehoses 511 bitcoins at random strangers and then there are lots of tiny forced transactions such as the guy who told me he had to smuggle his balance out 'one bitcoin at a time'. Some algo is being gamed, or obscured there.

And then, there is no business model, <ahem>.


I'm thinking the plan all along was to rob Bitcoinica, but Zhou got there first and maybe even caught someone in the act and did a deal with them.

That all sounds a bit fanciful to me, but it does make sense of the little oddities here and there. It also opens up a brand new option for the Bitcoinica victims. All of them, not just the ones who can afford to sue, and at better than $11 per bitcoin.

A criminal prosecution against Strateman for Grand Theft, with a request for asset forfeiture, then everyone has a 30 day window to put in claims in for the return of their actual bitcoins.

Honestly though Strateman is probably your target number one now, it is probably best to consider all of the Intersango failure crew together as responsible.

I wonder if there will be a Bitcoin hell for these sorts.

[icicle]

More hugs for Buddy?? Thank you!! xxx

I told my eldest daughter (11) what was going on yesterday. She has several ideas on what to do. All of them illegal and most of them painful, although I must say they would result in our bitcoins being returned to us.

In this instance it does seem better to me to go after Strateman, as he is the one I have the bulk of the evidence on, and although there is now a police report on both Taaki and Strateman in the UK I doubt if much will happen to Taaki until he is wanted by the US. That should come in time, but frankly I'm thinking the main reason people want to see all three banged up is they have given up on getting their bitcoins back!

Youngsters! Just can't take the pace...!

I have not given up. Not for me, not for everyone else. I find things. I am very good at finding things. Right now I am on the hunt for an equitable solution. 2000 years of western civilization. The solution should be there somewhere.

Patrick is a smart cookie. I wonder if he has any ideas?

If anybody decides to file a criminal complaint you can effectively guarantee that it will be months or even years beore anybody sees their funds

Hahahaha! Really not keen on that, is he? 'Let me go free or I'll keep the bitcoins'. Well, you did and you still don't have your bitcoins and all I see for the Bitcoinicaz, on the far far distant horizon, is a payout of $11 per bitcoin on whatever is left after the Cartmell case.

Unacceptable.

Certainly when, in California, the state can prosecute at its own expense and then during asset seizure - which includes the profits of criminal activity as well as any property stolen - we each put in a claim for the return of our bitcoins. The state, or the federal authorities I presume (when they see how much there is to be seized) can keep whatever is unclaimed.

So I am pursuing criminal charges, and there is paperwork to be done - don't expect much action for a couple of weeks, but once there is an arrest related to Intersango, I should think further evidence from the Bitcoinica customers could be added in to the complaint.

I don't know what I'm going to do about justice for Buddy. I don't want compensation if it is from stolen funds :/ and I wake up every morning feeling sick as it is - then I remember the guy or girl who had 24 thousand bitcoins stolen. It doesn't make me feel any better, but it makes me feel less alone.

Ah. I know what to do!

If Strateman is locked up at some point in the future and we all get our bitcoins back, I would ask that everyone donate a bitcoin or two to their local dog shelter, in memory of a happy little dog called Buddy, and the girl who once loved him.

I wonder if there will be a Bitcoin hell for these sorts.

Same hell they all go to. Called 'watching someone else spend the ill-gotten you thought you'd made away with'

[icicle]

Won't hand over the passwords except as part of 'settlement negotiations' instead?

Huh?

He wants to be paid for handing over the passwords to other people's missing money? Money wot isn't his.

Money wot isn't the liquidator's either, at $11 per bitcoin :/

Why on earth not just have him arrested for theft, have everything seized, put in a claim for your actual property. Actual bitcoins. Sue him later.

Cheaper for everyone, seeing as the state prosecutes - and now he's pinched my bitcoins as well - not as hard to prove as it once might have been.

Let's see if he want to open 'settlement negotiations' with a judge who can throw his ass in jail for obstructing seizure.

Eleven dollars a bitcoin. No wonder there was no great enthusiasm to throw good money after bad.

[crazy_rabbit]

For god's sake people. Just call the police. If you are in the states, the FBI Computer crimes division, the UK has something of the same sort. They would love another example of bitcoin not being above the law. So give them a great opportunity to be useful.

[icicle]

It is a question of efficient use of energy. Our ducks need to be in a row first.

Imagine each of the victims has 10% of the evidence, and like good little citizens they go to the nearest Mr Policeman and tell him.

Result? Nothing. The energy is too scattered.

Yet, between us, we likely have all the evidence necessary to get him and his accomplices put away for a long time. It is a question of collecting it all and collating it.

A little extra effort at the start, a little focus, plus a little follow-through, and I think you will be surprised what can be achieved.

[Tulak]

How's the dog? Does he have much time left?
This thread breaks my heart but you can't count on the empathy of criminals.

[tvbcof]

How's the dog? Does he have much time left?
This thread breaks my heart but you can't count on the empathy of criminals.

I'm not convinced that that is what is happening here.  This thread has had a creepy and weird feeling to me from the get-go.  I'd be uncomfortable generally to have stolen anything from anybody, but especially so in Bitcoin-land, and even more so in the various instances of loss that the Bitcoin Consultancy guys have been involved in.

[ajax3592]

icicle, this must be tough, but if all hope is lost in getting your bitcoins back, there is still hope.

I don't know what you're opinion is on this, but I'll tell you because I believe it.  My neighbors dog, Sam, had cancer and was scheduled to die within the next couple weeks.  I refused to accept that as the truth and instead believed to myself and to Sam that he was a healthy dog with no sickness.  Whenever I saw him I would envision Sam as a healthy dog, when I played guitar I would repeat lines about Sam being healthy.  I even had a dream I was petting him.  Shortly after, I hear his cancer has gone away and he's still with us to this day.

I'm not trying to guarantee or set expectations, but I want you to know it is possible he will be okay if you, I and everyone else views him as a healthy dog.  I will pray for him and send him my love, believing he is healthy.

If all else fails, one option is faith healing and it's more viable of an option than one would believe.

I hope your heart is open to this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-J7cnUV28Q

Does buddy have a last name I can include in my meditation?

Beautiful man, that's how the law of attraction works.
icicle just believe in a thought/incident that you want to happen with so much faith that you can imagine and video of it happening in your mind. (You get me right?)

Your pet is absolutely fit I saw the video, you better believe that too, and take him out for long walks twice a day, especially early in the morning.

[icicle]

How's the dog? Does he have much time left?
This thread breaks my heart but you can't count on the empathy of criminals.

I'm not convinced that that is what is happening here.  This thread has had a creepy and weird feeling to me from the get-go.  I'd be uncomfortable generally to have stolen anything from anybody, but especially so in Bitcoin-land, and even more so in the various instances of loss that the Bitcoin Consultancy guys have been involved in.

TV, I think, what you are sensing here is my own sense of disbelief too. I don't even believe it and I am 49 years old and seen some very strange things in my time. I'm the one it happened to and I wake up with that creepy feeling. Also I'm changing my mind. I thought it was control-freakery behind this, but now I'm tending towards my bitcoins having been stolen long before I tried to retrieve them. He hasn't said anything because what can he say?

He didn't expect an English woman who bought coins in 2011 to try getting them back all of a sudden in 2013? Maybe that's it. He didn't think they would be missed. That's my current best guess. He has a dog himself and refuses to travel abroad because of it.

Now I know psychopaths can display a mawkish sentimentality towards kittens etc. that fills the gap where real empathy should be, but still. A dog lover who won't leave his own dog but will kill mine? Something is wrong with this picture, I quite agree.

Something has happened. Something he can't talk about. If he hasn't pinched the coins there's an Unknown Unknown going on.

Strateman, if there is something I need to know and you can't tell me - there are email services that send self-destructing read-once emails. Whatever you want to tell me will never be told to another living soul and if I think the reason is plausible and a good one, this thread will vanish. You may also send such a communication via a third party.


Tulak,

Buddy looks fine to me again. He is sleeping at my feet right now.

[Anyone doing healing visualizations on Buddy, skip the rest of this message!]

The vet gave him pills to slow his heart and I monitor his heartrate a few times a day. It is getting worn out though and it is already human-sized.

Imagine a circle of garden hose with a pump circulating the water. Now imagine someone treads on the hose just as it exits the pump. It is a strain on the pump and there is variously too much and too little water in different places. You can reduce the pressure using vasodilators (increasing the diameters of the pipe away from the pump) but these can lead to a sudden fatal drop in volume at the pump itself. It needs the water as there is fuel in it.

The drugs will extend his lifespan, by slowing the pump, but the lack of flow and increased pressure on the chambers in his heart cause enlargement. Enlargement means you can pump more volume, but after a while the elasticity of the cells is lost due to the constant strain they have been under for months and months so that contractions are weaker. This is the change from 'compensated' to 'decompensated' heart failure. It is the decompensated (inelastic) stage that kills. I should imagine you can detect decompensation via comparing systolic and diastolic pressure readings, but I haven't had the vet do that yet as there isn't anything we can do about it anyway except get him an angioplasty.

I don't know how much time he has left. These dogs simply keel over dead unexpectedly. Untreated, by age two I think. Sometimes you can revive them, sometimes not. He has been revived once.  I do know if the operation is to be performed, it should be done before he is two years old and he is about at two years now. I think if it is not performed, the accumulated damage renders it pointless anyway. I have heard of these dogs living several years on medication and the world record holder (so far as I know of) lived five years longer than other dogs, but Buddy has such a severe constriction you can take his heart-rate just by sitting next to him, it is so loud, and sounds like a washing machine. It is a grade six murmur. The scale doesn't go any higher.

He is a lively little thing though. In fact, I am going to go hunt for some doggy tranquilizers. It should give him extra time.

[icicle]

Beautiful man, that's how the law of attraction works.
icicle just believe in a thought/incident that you want to happen with so much faith that you can imagine and video of it happening in your mind. (You get me right?)

Your pet is absolutely fit I saw the video, you better believe that too, and take him out for long walks twice a day, especially early in the morning.

Walks? Ajax.. The little so-an-so escaped for the 15th time at Halloween! The whole family is getting fitter with these 'walks' -or as I prefer to think of them 'forced marches' - around the neighborhood

One time it was 6 am in the middle of the sort of thunderstorm you only see in Georgia. I was barefoot, half-dressed, soaked and freezing and everyone else had given up and gone home while I'm still tracking him through woods and shit with critters in it I've never even seen before, and snakes, then through every back yard (way for the crazy English lady to meet her neighbors for the first time) while Herbert (his Bad Dog name) was having quite the adventure.

You should see this dog move. He flies!

Those days are over though before I'm the one dropping dead of heart failure. He has an electronic tracker now. You creep up, grab him, job done and back to bed.