Newbie Problems how to eliminate?

[Silent26]

Good day/evening everyone. I'm Silent26. I'm just a simple Member of this Forum and always sticks to the rules. I'm here to tell you something. Hmm let me starts with this.


I've noticed that our Forum starts to suffer from Newbies/Newcomers problems as they always ask a certain question repeatedly. Their common questions are "what is bitcoin?", "how to earn bitcoin?" etc. and the recently most asked by too many new members/Newbies is "What is Merit/Merit System and how to get Merit?".

I decided to create this thread to give some idea to our Admin and to our Moderators to Improve our Forum from these kind of "Newbie Problems".
As we can see, asking questions about Merits is now strictly prohibited as it was already asked dozen of times and a member who ask about it will be given a punishment, and it is "banning their account". It is because our Forum's Staffs Declared that anyone who ask questions about merit system will be banned or reported as a spammer. It is also because these Newbies can't even try to search for the answers they were looking for by their own.
But what if these Newbies really don't know how our System works? What if they really don't know what to do first and they didn't even know that posting about merit is prohibited? Do we need to be mad at them or we should help them to enlighten them? Honestly what do you prefer?



I came up to this Idea. When creating a new account. The existing system works as this

Register>>Enter Email, and Password>>Login.

And after logging in, the user will be directed in the home page of the Forum.

I have suggestion/proposal about improving our Forum, it will not change any of the existing process of the system for registering new account. I just want this idea to be added (I'm just suggesting) . Here is my idea.

Like what I said, when a account is successfully created, the user is only directed to the home/main page of the Forum and it's up to them what to do because there is no any guide.

What if? After a successful registration, the user will be directed to a certain thread that contains all information that a newbie must know.
For example is a thread that contains all of the rules of this forum, some basic information about Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies and information about Merit Systems. I know this is "spoon feeding" because if they really want to gain knowledge they must conduct research by their own. But, if we implemented this idea and still, they didn't follow the rules. The account will be permanently banned.

If you guys didn't want the idea of directing the user to a thread, a message or a bot message will be fine too. Whenever there is a new account created, a bot will automatically sends PM to the new account containing all of the information that newbie must know (just like what I said above).

In the rules, there must be a huge message with BOLD text style saying "IF YOU VIOLATE ANY OF THESE RULES, YOU WILL BE PERMANENTLY BANNED FROM THIS FORUM" something like that because there is a possibility that the user will be forced to read the entire thread/message to prevent violating any of the rules.

And one more thing (this is optional), I also suggest that, there should be some volunteered members who will guide these newbies. After reading the entire thread or message and clicking button, (lets assume) "I AGREED" button the newbie will be directed to another thread titled "Beginners guide" or something where they can ask questions, but every post made in this thread is not counted as a post. Although a user posted so many questions in this thread, it will not be added as "post" count in their account.


This only requires:
-Collection of information that a Newbies must know.
-The list of our Forum's rules.
-Information about Merit System.
-Some Trusted or Volunteer Members to guide Newbies (optional)
-Time.

Goal
-To somehow eliminate "Newbies problem" .
-To prevent Newbies from creating threads that has been created multiple times.
-To educate Newbies with some basic informations.
-To enlighten Newbies how our system works and what rules to follow.

Scope and Limitations
-This idea is for accounts that will be made in the future.
-Its limitation is, It didn't include accounts that already been created and also farmed accounts.



I've been thinking of this all the time and came up to this idea
I still need your suggestions about this Idea. This is also just my suggestion hehe. What do you think guys?

To staffs, please delete this thread if I violate any rules. But as far as I know I'm not violating any rules. Thanks.

Leave your suggestions guys

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I have suggestion/proposal about improving our Forum, it will not change any of the existing process of the system for registering new account. I just want this idea to be added (I'm just suggesting) . Here is my idea.

Like what I said, when a account is successfully created, the user is only directed to the home/main page of the Forum and it's up to them what to do because there is no any guide.

What if? After a successful registration, the user will be directed to a certain thread that contains all information that a newbie must know.
For example is a thread that contains all of the rules of this forum, some basic information about Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies and information about Merit Systems. I know this is "spoon feeding" because if they really want to gain knowledge they must conduct research by their own. But, if we implemented this idea and still, they didn't follow the rules. The account will be permanently banned.

I'm already working on this and theymos said he would implement it. Far too many people are signing up and straight away are asking the same questions that have been asked and answered hundreds of times or braking the most basic of rules like spamming ref links and copy and pasting etc. At least there will be no excuses when this does happen.

[KWH]

I'm already working on this and theymos said he would implement it. Far too many people are signing up and straight away are asking the same questions that have been asked and answered hundreds of times or braking the most basic of rules like spamming ref links and copy and pasting etc. At least there will be no excuses when this does happen.

Wanna bet? 
I believe most of these "Newbies" are account farmers posing "safe posts" they think won't be deleted so they can rack up some easy spam replies. I've reported many of these types threads in the past and not much if anything was done, so they may be right in their assumption.

[Silent26]

I'm already working on this and theymos said he would implement it. Far too many people are signing up and straight away are asking the same questions that have been asked and answered hundreds of times or braking the most basic of rules like spamming ref links and copy and pasting etc. At least there will be no excuses when this does happen.

Wanna bet? 
I believe most of these "Newbies" are account farmers posing "safe posts" they think won't be deleted so they can rack up some easy spam replies. I've reported many of these types threads in the past and not much if anything was done, so they may be right in their assumption.

Hmmm if that's the case, accounts that will be made for farming is a limitation of this idea too. 
Hmm. Maybe we can think of some idea on how to prevent it too. But it will be very difficult.

I'm already working on this and theymos said he would implement it. Far too many people are signing up and straight away are asking the same questions that have been asked and answered hundreds of times or braking the most basic of rules like spamming ref links and copy and pasting etc. At least there will be no excuses when this does happen.

Yes, I agreed. But what Mr. KWH said is one of this idea's disadvantage.

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I'm already working on this and theymos said he would implement it. Far too many people are signing up and straight away are asking the same questions that have been asked and answered hundreds of times or braking the most basic of rules like spamming ref links and copy and pasting etc. At least there will be no excuses when this does happen.

Wanna bet? 
I believe most of these "Newbies" are account farmers posing "safe posts" they think won't be deleted so they can rack up some easy spam replies. I've reported many of these types threads in the past and not much if anything was done, so they may be right in their assumption.

I'm mostly talking about the people who get caught doing stuff like copy and pasting and then come out with the excuses "I didn't know it was against the rules" or "other people are doing it etc". Spam or duplicate threads are usually trashed once spotted or reported but they seldom are reported and I'm only one person against literally thousands of spammers so it's a lot of time-consuming and tedious work.

[Silent26]

I'm mostly talking about the people who get caught doing stuff like copy and pasting and then come out with the excuses "I didn't know it was against the rules" or "other people are doing it etc". Spam or duplicate threads are usually trashed once spotted or reported but they seldom are reported and I'm only one person against literally thousands of spammers so it's a lot of time-consuming and tedious work.

Yeah, they can only complain saying

"I didn't know it was against the rules"

because their reason is they didn't know the rules yet. Lets just see if they still complains if all of the rules were already shown after creating a new account. Farmed account or not they have to follow the rules as it was stated. Newbies who violate rules after creating an account with this proposal idea will leave Staffs with no choice but to permanent banned it.

[Alone055]

-Its limitation is, It didn't include accounts that already been created

What if the message is sent to everyone upon implementation of this feature? This way, every account created in near past, not aware about the rules and other things, will get help as well. And, we also know that there are a lot of higher ranked users who do not know all the rules until now. So sending it to all at first will help them too.

[Silent26]

-Its limitation is, It didn't include accounts that already been created

What if the message is sent to everyone upon implementation of this feature? This way, every account created in near past, not aware about the rules and other things, will get help as well. And, we also know that there are a lot of higher ranked users who do not know all the rules until now. So sending it to all at first will help them too.

That is also what I'm thinking before. But I prioritised Newbie accounts that's why I excluded it. By the way, it is still a good idea to send the message to everyone here in the forum. The only question left is if our Admin and Moderators choose to use the message over the thread for disseminating information through users.

Hmm. I'm really running at my full speed to think of some other ways to improve our Forum.

[1993jochico]

I like this idea very much Im also thinking about posting this before but Im too lazy to do so, thanks for making this thread. With this system newbies will be afraid to post anything that is worthless and they will be able to learn quickly all of the forum guides and rules.

About what KWH said, Youre right most of them are alts but I think theres nothing we can do about those coming farmer accounts but Im sure we can notice them eventually before they rank up to full member or earlier.

[Jet Cash]

Please can we have a cryptic precis of the idea.

[Alone055]

Please can we have a cryptic precis of the idea.

Any new account right after registration should get a PM or should be directed to a thread in which they can read the rules or any other information they need to know e.g Merit system etc. So that when they get banned for asking the questions that are already answered, they don't get to make the excuse of not knowing the things.

[Jet Cash]

Any new account right after registration should get a PM or should be directed to a thread in which they can read the rules or any other information they need to know e.g Merit system etc. So that when they get banned for asking the questions that are already answered, they don't get to make the excuse of not knowing the things.

Well that sounds like a good idea in theory, but how many new members would read it? and what happens if they can't speak English.

Aren't new members supposed to read the terms and conditions, and confirm that they have read them before applying for membership. I bet that most can't be bothered. I think that restricting posting to a few newbie boards is a better solution. Maybe 10 merits to start a thread, and 5 merits to post on any boards other than newbie, meta and the language boards.

[Alone055]

I think that restricting posting to a few newbie boards is a better solution.

I suggested the same thing a few days back. Didn't see any mod taking interest in that though. I thought the only way to stop, or at least lessen the thread-making-of-useless-questions is to restrict accounts from below Member rank to post in sections excluding one or two of them. Its effect can only be known if its implemented for even a short period of time on just one section as a test. I'm sure it will be more effective then we might think.

[Silent26]

I think that restricting posting to a few newbie boards is a better solution.

Yeah, what a brilliant idea Mr. Now I remembered, I knew some Forums in internet where this is one is implemented. There are some discussions where Only established members can post/reply their suggestion and Newbie members is only allowed to read it. There is no reply button/link for Newbies. In short, Newbies are limited where they can post. Yeah, this sounds cool. Maybe this is the solution we were looking for in this entire time, to stop newbies from making spams. What do you think Mr. Jet Cash. Since this is your idea, I'm sure you will support this to be implemented. I will also support this one.
Is our Admin is the only one who can do implementations in the Forum? I think we should tell Mr. Theymos about this or even to our Moderators. Or let me guess, did they already knew all about this?

But, in some ways. This idea still got its disadvantages. But we will find a solution for it too later on.

[Flying Hellfish]

I think that restricting posting to a few newbie boards is a better solution.

Yeah, what a brilliant idea Mr. Now I remembered, I knew some Forums in internet where this is one is implemented. There are some discussions where Only established members can post/reply their suggestion and Newbie members is only allowed to read it. There is no reply button/link for Newbies. In short, Newbies are limited where they can post. Yeah, this sounds cool. Maybe this is the solution we were looking for in this entire time, to stop newbies from making spams. What do you think Mr. Jet Cash. This is actually your idea thats why I'm sure you will support this to be implemented. I will also support this one.
Is our Admin is the only one who can do implementations in the Forum? I think we should tell Mr. Theymos about this or even to our Moderators. Or let me guess, did they already knew all about this?

But, in some ways. This idea still got its disadvantages. But we will find a solution for it too later on.

We had a "newbie jail" a while ago.  Theymos got rid of it, I presume because it didn't really do anything.  Or maybe he just didn't want to "restrict" new members.  Either way a newbie jail just delays the inevitable IMO.

[Jet Cash]

We had a "newbie jail" a while ago.  Theymos got rid of it, I presume because it didn't really do anything.  Or maybe he just didn't want to "restrict" new members.  Either way a newbie jail just delays the inevitable IMO.

The other alternative is to moderate the beginners board. I visited it earlier to see if I could award some merits, and gave up. It is full of threads about Facebook, airdrops, bounties, sig programmes, merit, retweeting, ICO and IPOs. Haven't any new members heard about Bitcoin?

[Cobalt9317]

Sometimes it just doesn't make sense if who is worse the newbie asking a loop question or a veteran member pretending to be a newbie that straight to the lending section and fully equip to scam anyone in a magically ICO presentation. 

This spoon feeding will save someones time/money for a while but not permanently still good to have a nice set of hurdles so newbie is really going to learn unless neglect it otherwise.

[gawer33]

how about a set of questions regarding rules/FAQS need to give a perfect answer before someone can make a post. if they incorrectly answer it they will be redirected to FAQS boards. after they answer it correctly I pretty sure they are knowledgeable enough

[DdmrDdmr]

Rather than redirect new users to a specific thread, I would go “the game way”: Redirect users to a multipage tutorial (not a questionnaire) which the must go through where forum objectives, rules and restrictions are clearly explained in a graphical & Textual easy to understand format.  This would of course need to be language based.
That way, whatever comes later if they do not comply with forum rules would be of no surprise to them since they would not be able to claim ignorance.

From there on allow them to read all forums, but post only on the newcomer sections (local sections to be considered too) until a certain rank or amount of merit has been reached. Limit number of posts per new user/week too so as not to spam newbie forums.

[cabalism13]

I'm already working on this and theymos said he would implement it. Far too many people are signing up and straight away are asking the same questions that have been asked and answered hundreds of times or braking the most basic of rules like spamming ref links and copy and pasting etc. At least there will be no excuses when this does happen.

Wanna bet?  
I believe most of these "Newbies" are account farmers posing "safe posts" they think won't be deleted so they can rack up some easy spam replies. I've reported many of these types threads in the past and not much if anything was done, so they may be right in their assumption.

Hmmm if that's the case, accounts that will be made for farming is a limitation of this idea too.  
Hmm. Maybe we can think of some idea on how to prevent it too. But it will be very difficult.

I'm already working on this and theymos said he would implement it. Far too many people are signing up and straight away are asking the same questions that have been asked and answered hundreds of times or braking the most basic of rules like spamming ref links and copy and pasting etc. At least there will be no excuses when this does happen.

Yes, I agreed. But what Mr. KWH said is one of this idea's disadvantage.

Then how about this, with the current system this will be the addition that can be implied to yours,
Checking their IP ADDRESSES. If the network's IP was already used from registering then it won't be used anymore. Certain programmers can only work on many IPs so its impossible for them to use many addresses just to create a new one.
Or how about we include a verifying bot with a certain need of valid IDs, this is still confidential though, only the staffs can review their infos.