SURVEY: WHO has/will go back to Anacs for Coin Grading?

[Fattcatt]

There are a lot of mixed feelings out there involving Anacs grading services, where do you stand?

[krogothmanhattan]

I never used them. Was gonna once...but after I saw them grading a Satori chip...that really turned me off. So never did...never will

Soooo...Eat Shit and Die

[phishead]

So are there no other places to get coins graded (that will take physical cryptocurrency coins)?  I have some stuff that I need graded that I never got around too.  Also, what about magazine grading?

[owlcatz]

So are there no other places to get coins graded (that will take physical cryptocurrency coins)?  I have some stuff that I need graded that I never got around too.  Also, what about magazine grading?

I believe there is one other, but I can't recall which one it was. @Lesbian Cow has mentioned it a few times though.

As for magazines, I did find this site, but can't vouch for it obviously. http://www.cgcmagazines.com/

[Lesbian Cow]

So are there no other places to get coins graded (that will take physical cryptocurrency coins)?  I have some stuff that I need graded that I never got around too.  Also, what about magazine grading?

I am sending a few things to ICG - cas coins and a gold bitcoin penny.  I will report back.

I voted ANACS can Eat Shit & Die because Fuck Anacs!

[Fattcatt]

I'm waiting to hear what LC has to report on IGC. Turn around time, grade, quality of the hologram, price, return shipping, and how they treat their customers in general. With any luck, who knows, maybe they won't have a "Paul", on staff.

[wheelz1200]

Nope wont use them. Ive never personally used them and tbh i have trouble sending in loaded coins to a grading service where all it takes is one rougue employee and you are in your own nightmare situation.  I know they have delivered to many people here but with my luck id be the one outlier.

[JUPITYR]

I've sent a few things to ICG since the ANACS nonsense started.  So far so good.  Turnaround times are spot on to their estimates or even earlier.  Grades so far are pretty comparable to what I've come to expect from ANACS.  In fact, they were pretty tough on a Sol Noctis I sent them recently, so it's not as though they are just rubber stamping high grades over there.

If there is one issue I have with ICG at the moment is that they seem to think that Bitcoin is two words "Bit Coin" and that is how it appears on the label.  Annoying, but not the end of the world. 

[TMAN]

Anacs can suck my balls, not that they were any good before the change. But now its just madness sending anything to those fools.

[zekoroger]

Eat shit and die Anacs! Any trusted EU located grading service?

[FFrankie]

I have only gotten a few coins sent into their for grading, took forever. I am a big fan of the new cases I really like the jungle green but not many people do... the warning there will just scare off new people but anyone buying a loaded coin should understand how to confirm a balance.

[owlcatz]

I have only gotten a few coins sent into their for grading, took forever. I am a big fan of the new cases I really like the jungle green but not many people do... the warning there will just scare off new people but anyone buying a loaded coin should understand how to confirm a balance.

LOL.. I think you are the only person who has said that about the jungle slabs. Personally, I would not mind them so much if they changed the black ink to white so you could actually read the slabs better, but according to PAUL, the PRICK at ANACS who orchestrated that whole f'in mess, said NO, NEVER! on that suggestion.... LOL... Anyhow, I'm done with them. I've sent back MS69 coins for reholdering since the new holograms on the back practically flake off on touch, and one came back looking like it got dropped on a concrete floor, it has a big fucking ding in the rim at 6pm sharp... If you saw this coin, you would never think it was MS69 anymore. I called and screamed at them. I will probably crack the slab and just put it in an airtite. I'd feel like a scammer even trying to sell it, omg I was so fucking mad at them LOL...

[Lesbian Cow]

I have only gotten a few coins sent into their for grading, took forever. I am a big fan of the new cases I really like the jungle green but not many people do... the warning there will just scare off new people but anyone buying a loaded coin should understand how to confirm a balance.

LOL.. I think you are the only person who has said that about the jungle slabs. Personally, I would not mind them so much if they changed the black ink to white so you could actually read the slabs better, but according to PAUL, the PRICK at ANACS who orchestrated that whole f'in mess, said NO, NEVER! on that suggestion.... LOL... Anyhow, I'm done with them. I've sent back MS69 coins for reholdering since the new holograms on the back practically flake off on touch, and one came back looking like it got dropped on a concrete floor, it has a big fucking ding in the rim at 6pm sharp... If you saw this coin, you would never think it was MS69 anymore. I called and screamed at them. I will probably crack the slab and just put it in an airtite. I'd feel like a scammer even trying to sell it, omg I was so fucking mad at them LOL...

Is it time to fly to Colorado, throw on our Guy Fawkes masks, and throw rocks at their building?  I have been waiting for this moment!

[FFrankie]

I have only gotten a few coins sent into their for grading, took forever. I am a big fan of the new cases I really like the jungle green but not many people do... the warning there will just scare off new people but anyone buying a loaded coin should understand how to confirm a balance.

LOL.. I think you are the only person who has said that about the jungle slabs. Personally, I would not mind them so much if they changed the black ink to white so you could actually read the slabs better, but according to PAUL, the PRICK at ANACS who orchestrated that whole f'in mess, said NO, NEVER! on that suggestion.... LOL... Anyhow, I'm done with them. I've sent back MS69 coins for reholdering since the new holograms on the back practically flake off on touch, and one came back looking like it got dropped on a concrete floor, it has a big fucking ding in the rim at 6pm sharp... If you saw this coin, you would never think it was MS69 anymore. I called and screamed at them. I will probably crack the slab and just put it in an airtite. I'd feel like a scammer even trying to sell it, omg I was so fucking mad at them LOL...

Would you mind posting a photo of it? I think that is crazy they would send a MS69 out with a ding in it

With blazed's first thread, I believe there was ONE person who was a newbi who said he didn't mind the new slabs

I think that if enough people complain about the slab stickers they will do something, every single photo that blazed posted the stickers were messed up.

But maybe now that no one will use them they will hear us/blazed/other people out

[owlcatz]

I'll post it in the am, have to go for now sorry!

[selffish]

Eat shit and die Anacs! Any trusted EU located grading service?

also searching for that

[owlcatz]

Would you mind posting a photo of it? I think that is crazy they would send a MS69 out with a ding in it

With blazed's first thread, I believe there was ONE person who was a newbi who said he didn't mind the new slabs

I think that if enough people complain about the slab stickers they will do something, every single photo that blazed posted the stickers were messed up.

But maybe now that no one will use them they will hear us/blazed/other people out

Sure, have a look. 6pm. first pic on top is magnified, no direct light. second pic you can see the damage actually goes a bit further towards 5pm. It was clearly dropped. It was perfect before I sent it back for reholdering because the hologram on the back was literally falling off. 

https://imgur.com/a/nCbJ6

You can even see it in the slabbed coin. Anyone would be pissed to buy this as MS69! 

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Physical crypto was never my thing, but for the brief years that I was somewhat of a coin collector I learned that ANACS is a 3rd tier grading company.  Their old slabs, the small white ones, were actually pretty, and the grading was pretty spot-on.  Then somehow those slabs morphed into these testicle-twisted monstrosities, which are apparently being still further degenerated in aesthetic quality as time goes on, and their reputation for accurate grading is swirling around in the same bowl.  Figures.

ICG?  If I recall correctly, that was one grading company coin collectors advised absolutely staying away from.  It's a company that's probably being run out of a school for the blind, that's how fucking off they have a reputation for being.  Man, if I were you guys I'd petition PCGS and NGC to start grading crypto coins.  They're the only ones who are really trusted in the traditional coin community, and their slabs don't look like they've been heat-warped.

Just my opinion--and it's obviously one from someone who doesn't collect physical crypto--I'd probably keep the coins raw rather than send them in for grading, at least until a more reputable company can do it.  As wheelz1200 has pointed out, there's that potential for theft once the coin is out of your hands, and a lot of these I would imagine have very high "intrinsic value" attached to them in the form of being loaded with bitcoin/doge/whatever.  I'd be a bit paranoid as well.

You can even see it in the slabbed coin. Anyone would be pissed to buy this as MS69! 

I believe you; they probably dropped it and said "fuck it".  To my eyes and from that picture, it doesn't look that bad.  I've seen MS69 coins with more flaws than that, so I've come to believe that a coin that was never intended to be circulated has to be extremely defective in order to earn anything lower than that. 

I'm sure the graders don't have all the time in the world to spend on any given coin and don't take any more time than they have to to examine one.

[ChiBitCTy]

Physical crypto was never my thing, but for the brief years that I was somewhat of a coin collector I learned that ANACS is a 3rd tier grading company.  Their old slabs, the small white ones, were actually pretty, and the grading was pretty spot-on.  Then somehow those slabs morphed into these testicle-twisted monstrosities, which are apparently being still further degenerated in aesthetic quality as time goes on, and their reputation for accurate grading is swirling around in the same bowl.  Figures.

ICG?  If I recall correctly, that was one grading company coin collectors advised absolutely staying away from.  It's a company that's probably being run out of a school for the blind, that's how fucking off they have a reputation for being.  Man, if I were you guys I'd petition PCGS and NGC to start grading crypto coins.  They're the only ones who are really trusted in the traditional coin community, and their slabs don't look like they've been heat-warped.

Just my opinion--and it's obviously one from someone who doesn't collect physical crypto--I'd probably keep the coins raw rather than send them in for grading, at least until a more reputable company can do it.  As wheelz1200 has pointed out, there's that potential for theft once the coin is out of your hands, and a lot of these I would imagine have very high "intrinsic value" attached to them in the form of being loaded with bitcoin/doge/whatever.  I'd be a bit paranoid as well.

You can even see it in the slabbed coin. Anyone would be pissed to buy this as MS69!  

I believe you; they probably dropped it and said "fuck it".  To my eyes and from that picture, it doesn't look that bad.  I've seen MS69 coins with more flaws than that, so I've come to believe that a coin that was never intended to be circulated has to be extremely defective in order to earn anything lower than that.  

I'm sure the graders don't have all the time in the world to spend on any given coin and don't take any more time than they have to to examine one.

I agree. I think it's absolutely worth our time approaching PCGS & NGC.  Why not, right? I don't know if there's any best way of approaching them but I'll happily write up emails or whtvr..a petition of some sort maybe? Is there really any way that these two companies revenues have not being going down at least a little over the past few years?  A struggling collector hobby which is rapidly loosing it's main customer base. Which should be telling when in the past decade the world's economies have mostly been booming.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Is there really any way that these two companies revenues have not being going down at least a little over the past few years?  A struggling collector hobby which is rapidly loosing it's main customer base. Which should be telling when in the past decade the world's economies have mostly been booming.

Just FYI, I've been an investor in CLCT for a while now, which is the PCGS company, and their stock price has tanked as of late and they cut their dividend in half recently.  They're in trouble.  So my opinion is that it absolutely would not hurt for them to be approached by the crypto coin community to see about grading some of these great tokens (that's the difference in their eyes, these are not "coins").  I'm actually kind of surprised that they haven't jumped on board with this yet.  Usually if a competitor is making money from something, a la ANACS, a company will follow suit.

As I said, I'm not part of this community.  Have either PCGS or NGC issued any kind of guidance regarding this?  Has anyone approached them?

I'd say branching in to other sectors WITHIN their playing field could and would make a lot of sense. 

That's what I'm saying, but I have to profess ignorance as to whether anyone has requested they start grading physical crypto yet.  And I'd find it hard to believe that they'd be unaware of the existence of these fine pieces of exonumia, since these people specialize in coins and, I would presume, know a little something about tokens--AND that they would at least keep an eye on what ANACS is doing.  My guess is that they see it as a small market and have their hands full already, grading the yearly silver eagles and other bullion products by the thousands.

I'd be curious to know how many total crypto coins you guys have sent to ANACS per year and whether there would be enough demand in their eyes.  Grabbing less than 100% of a what's already a small market might not be worth it to PCGS or NGC.