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July 26, 2011, 08:22:28 PM
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We're aware of a few things:
1) Facebook dominates the world and has created its own currency, mainly for use in wildly popular FB games from companies like Zynga.
2) Google is launching Google+, which is a direct competitor to Facebook. Google has its work cut out for it.
3) Google is engaged in the Google Wallet project, for fund transfer mechanisms... but Google is NOT creating its own currency.

Given these facts, if I were a decision maker at Google, I would at least consider the strategic decision to implement Bitcoin in Google+ and across the Google Wallet platforms. This would directly undermine FB credits, and if FB credits fails that is a HUGE win for Google. Consider that Google should already be observing how its relatively unrestricted Android community has amazingly caught up to Apple's iOS "walled garden" environment... the lesson applying perfectly to Bitcoin vs. FB credits.

If Google helps legitimize Bitcoin, FB credits will fail, and Google+ will be further strengthened against Facebook.

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July 26, 2011, 08:27:46 PM
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I'm rooting for Google+Bitcoin.

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FB credits are useless outside of FB realm
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July 26, 2011, 09:16:58 PM
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The point you are missing is that Google is one big central authority. Google likes storing large amounts of information to see what they can datamine from it. There will be no way to have anonymous transactions if you are using Google Wallet.

As well. Google has been suspending accounts en-mass if the name does not look "real" enough.

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July 26, 2011, 09:28:11 PM
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I actually hope google is a latecomer to the bitcoin ecosystem.
It's a giant squid of a thing with tentacles in too many pies.
It can afford to subsidize operations in one market with profits from another - destroying profitability for other innovators.


 

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July 26, 2011, 09:35:57 PM
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What makes you guys think google will help promoting BitCoin instead of starting their own currency?

I'd say Google is definitely interested in bitcoins, but will probably not fully commit itself to it.

Financially, making their own currency (Gcoin) will make much more sense than supporting Bitcoins.

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July 26, 2011, 09:49:26 PM
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What makes you guys think google will help promoting BitCoin instead of starting their own currency?

I'd say Google is definitely interested in bitcoins, but will probably not fully commit itself to it.

Financially, making their own currency (Gcoin) will make much more sense than supporting Bitcoins.
I'd settle for the ability to purchase a "Gcoin" with bitcoins.

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July 26, 2011, 10:05:43 PM
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They are competing with paypal, and are already dipping their danks into NFC and mobile user to user payments. There is no need to make or back a new currency, if you can make the existing electronic and easy to use.
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July 27, 2011, 12:27:37 AM
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You guys are missing my point a bit Smiley

My question is, does it make logical sense for Google to adopt/advocate/support Bitcoin purely as a way to get a +1 on Facebook.  If Bitcoins become the standard money of the internet, and are usable everywhere except Facebook/Zynga, then Facebook's own currency will look pretty pathetic comparatively. It may mean they'd need to abandon the currency which they will be spending billions of dollars on developing.

So does it make strategic sense for Google to act toward that end?

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July 27, 2011, 01:28:06 AM
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You guys are missing my point a bit Smiley

My question is, does it make logical sense for Google to adopt/advocate/support Bitcoin purely as a way to get a +1 on Facebook.  If Bitcoins become the standard money of the internet, and are usable everywhere except Facebook/Zynga, then Facebook's own currency will look pretty pathetic comparatively. It may mean they'd need to abandon the currency which they will be spending billions of dollars on developing.

So does it make strategic sense for Google to act toward that end?

In short, NO.  Google lives in the world of complex regulations and has to spend tons of money on lobbying to keep the feds off its back.  They will not be creating a currency.  If they can supplant Paypal like they set out to do they win.   

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July 27, 2011, 01:40:49 AM
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If Google helps legitimize Bitcoin, FB credits will fail, and Google+ will be further strengthened against Facebook.

Is my Machiavellianesque thinking sound?

I've read the entire thread so far and do not buy the comments of the naysayers.

I think your idea is sound and brilliant.

And sadly, precisely why Google will not implement it.

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July 27, 2011, 03:37:30 AM
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If Google helps legitimize Bitcoin, FB credits will fail



Not necessarily. For sure there will me MORE currencies around in future.

Guys, you have to take it from economical standpoint.

1st theory is economical "zone" theory described by Hayek. Like 200 years ago many banks issued banknotes, it will be the same in our era. Google will issue currency, FB will issue currency. FB credits will be real and converible into BTC and USD.

2nd theory that should not be forget is related with "money supply" and it says that better money will push away worse money.
BTC=>{Gcoin, FBcredit, gold/commodity}=>Fiat money where => means is better or same depends on competition

States apparently can print money when politicians want.
Private money like Gcoin or FBcredit can be also printed but the company is trying to maximize profit and does not need to corrupt voters.
BTC is here the best since no one owns it.

BTC or some other currency easily can be reserve currency in future. But once things will settle down (in years or tens of years, after WWIII and revolutions), no one will be aware which currency he will use. State money will probably vanish. I can see that in 100 years some kind of Gcoin/FBcred can be here with higher probability than USD.

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July 27, 2011, 03:44:25 AM
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couldn't a bitcoin e-wallet site build and app for fb and g+ that would allow people to easily send bitcoins through those communities?

(oops did i give that one away? Tongue )

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July 27, 2011, 03:55:03 AM
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you did  Smiley
but it can take time, there will be power against G and FB, so I can imagine BTC being blocked there for some time, especially when FB wants to establish FBcred

you can see it even now when Google was forced to establish chillingeffects.org that is censorship, but can be avoided with DMCA disclaimers and such shit

we all need strong G and FB even when they are not ideal, but they are not so strong yet

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July 27, 2011, 04:08:41 AM
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Google has often surprised me in the past. BTC is appealing precisely because it lacks arbitrary inflation. I don't see any advantage for Google to create a new walled garden/gaming currency. They could create their own BTC-like block chain but would only piss off the obvious early adopters (unless they had a wonderful protocol improvement). I would more likely see Google do only two things: make a better paypal (using established fiat) and/or backing BTC POS with faster transactions.

Google could certainly hash up 51% of the network. Maybe they'd offer some mining nodes for a price?

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July 27, 2011, 04:35:12 AM
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I do not think Google would ever start with their currency. The advantage of their "own" currency is their credibility. Soon there will be no AAA states...

BTC can be a bit wild for broad public. But existence and partial success of BTC can speed up the process of issuing Gcoin. In next stage there will be big synergy of all virtual currencies. In the end some independent currency like BTC should be used as reserve currency.

Also do not forget that issuer of "walled" currency gets the initial value for himself even when he is not stealing from inflation (so called seigniorage). That is big incentive at least for future. Also walled currency can be immune against deflation.

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July 27, 2011, 06:12:01 PM
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1st theory is economical "zone" theory described by Hayek. Like 200 years ago many banks issued banknotes, it will be the same in our era. Google will issue currency, FB will issue currency. FB credits will be real and converible into BTC and USD.

2nd theory that should not be forget is related with "money supply" and it says that better money will push away worse money.
BTC=>{Gcoin, FBcredit, gold/commodity}=>Fiat money where => means is better or same depends on competition



Your two theories are a bit off. Banknotes were indeed issued by individual banks, but they were all backed by gold/metals at fixed exchange rates. In other words, they were all the same currency.

Second, good money pushing away bad money (Gresham's Law) only pertains to currencies that are artificially fixed in an exchange rate (such as the government fixing the rate between silver and gold). If the rate is free-market (floating) then it will adjust appropriately, and one money will not "drive out" the other in Gresham's manner.

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July 27, 2011, 06:15:02 PM
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big players will enter when it's the right time. Right now bitcoin is doing just fine without them involved and for good reason. Right now and for the next two years is all about just laying down the foundation of global population adapting more and more bitcoins for their currency of storing wealth. Then and only then will it be a good move for bitcoin for these big players to get involved directly.
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July 27, 2011, 06:20:11 PM
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Thing is, FaceBook is charging something like 30% for people to use their currency (you get paid in FBcreds, you pay 30% of that back to FB). It's a big money-maker for them. BTC for Google will simply be an easier way to send micropayments, since Google won't be able to charge fees on the use of this currency.

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1st theory is economical "zone" theory described by Hayek. Like 200 years ago many banks issued banknotes, it will be the same in our era. Google will issue currency, FB will issue currency. FB credits will be real and converible into BTC and USD.

2nd theory that should not be forget is related with "money supply" and it says that better money will push away worse money.
BTC=>{Gcoin, FBcredit, gold/commodity}=>Fiat money where => means is better or same depends on competition



Your two theories are a bit off. Banknotes were indeed issued by individual banks, but they were all backed by gold/metals at fixed exchange rates. In other words, they were all the same currency.

Second, good money pushing away bad money (Gresham's Law) only pertains to currencies that are artificially fixed in an exchange rate (such as the government fixing the rate between silver and gold). If the rate is free-market (floating) then it will adjust appropriately, and one money will not "drive out" the other in Gresham's manner.


Incorrect. There was gold backing, but there indeed were money that were NOT BACKED. This happened 1st time in 13. century in Italy when local bankers realized they have too much cash and they can lend it for credit. Even the private banks were issuing money like the states issue them today. The difference was in something else. There was no monopoly for printing money so the banks were regulated by competition. Fiat money only copy what banks were doing before; but states added the printing monopoly rule (oligopoly in the USA).

Second note: People can and will decide which money will be "reserve" according to the law. They will decide ofc based on stability of the currency. If there is no way how can be stolen value from BTC, but there is a way how to steal it from USD, they will choose BTC as reserve currency. Yes, if we imagine existing and developed BTC and USD and they would indeed float, the push-away effect would not be that USD would vanish as currency  that is actively used. But that is not important - it would lose its independence. USD would be forced to peg himself to BTC. This is what I meant.

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