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July 27, 2011, 05:38:18 AM
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United Miners - http://www.UnitedMiners.com

      Managed rigs
      •  To be used on a dedicated Linux rig you want to control with your phone/PC [BETA]
      •  OC Vcore and memory with your finger from your phone
      •  Automated temperature watch: miners pause if they overheat
      •  Kick start your miner automatically with idle detection
      •  Powerful statistics: stales and Mh/s reported to cell phone page
      •  Remote reload/reconfigure/reboot from your phone or PC
      •  Boot off USB thumb/SATA/IDE/SCSI , from 2GB up
      •  Overheat email notifications, kick start email notifications
      •  Settings configurable per rig like SMTP server, RPC L&P, fan speed %, over heat temp, OC core Mhz, OC memory Mhz
      •     Managed Rigs HUD screenshots from an iPhone: http://imgur.com/BHl2a&1G5Js  http://imgur.com/BHl2a&1G5Jsl

      • 0% fee, donations for extra services
      • Offical DNS Seed for the bitcoin client being introduced in 0.4 (dnsseed.unitedminers.com)
      • iPhone/Android web site access (with API Key) to your managed rigs
      • SMS/txt notifications on idle miners
      • Completely redundant backend systems, we could lose server motherboards and you would never notice
      • VM's float on host nodes in the cluster without losing a packet
      • Active/Passive and Active/Active expandable clusters for all services
      • Passwords are secure. Hashed, sh1, then salted.
      • Classic worker per rig system fully supported
      • Long-polling support
      • JSON API access for user stats, worker stats, and pool stats
      • Top lists and pool stats
      • Personal account Mh/s mining graphs going back up to a year
      • Proportional payout method
      • On-demand payouts.  (After a block has been confirmed)
      • 8 decimal place payouts
      • Instant pay out button (0.01 BTC min)
      • US West coast based data center
      • IRC support at #UnitedMiners on freenode or from the website with our web IRC page
      • Proportional payout method based on shares submitted per round
      • SSL setup on the web server

      We have been up and running for a while privately and are opening the doors to the public.[/list][/list]
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      July 28, 2011, 12:37:54 AM
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      Wow. Finally some unique and useful features in a startup pool. That remote control scheme is definitely a world-first.

      The only thing that stands out negatively is prop. payments.
      As you might know it's one of the worst models for a 24/7 non-hopping miner, any plans of PPS variant schemes or PPLNS?

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      July 28, 2011, 12:42:48 AM
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      The only thing that stands out negatively is prop. payments.
      As you might know it's one of the worst models for a 24/7 non-hopping miner, any plans of PPS variant schemes or PPLNS?

      Yes, already working on that on the dev servers. I don't want to reinvent the wheel so is PPLNS better/fairer then PPS?
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      July 28, 2011, 12:51:18 AM
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      Obv. pure PPS is ideal for the miner since he risks nothing and gets zero variance day in day out..
      But it's not viable for you the operator unless you have massive reserves of BTC in store for a stormy period. Even then you'd need some sort of fee to fence off your risk, deepbit for example has 10% and rfcpool.com has 7%

      PPLNS doesn't require any buffer on your part. It also can't be exploited statistically by hopping in after many high percentile rounds to profit from early, valuable shares of likely upcoming short rounds.

      Short reading
      http://eligius.st/wiki/index.php/Pay_Per_Last_N_Shares

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      July 28, 2011, 01:01:03 AM
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      * Passwords saved with AES256

      AES256? Specs on that? So you'll able to decrypt and view users passwords?

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      July 28, 2011, 01:10:12 AM
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      * Passwords saved with AES256

      AES256? Specs on that? So you'll able to decrypt and view users passwords?

      Sorry for the confusion, I need to update the page. Passwords are hashed, sha1, then salted.
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      July 28, 2011, 03:44:57 AM
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      Before the site gets big (which i hope it does, nice features btw!) - switch to SHA256 or SHA512.
      There is no reason for using SHA1 anymore.

      A bit more database usage, but it's not even noticeable with 1m users (the difference between sha1 and sha512 is 88 bytes per user, 88 000 000 bytes for 1 million users,  thats 83.9 MB difference.)

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      July 28, 2011, 04:03:15 AM
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      Thanks!
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      July 28, 2011, 04:14:06 AM
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      No worries, may i ask what you're using for load balancing / failover?

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      July 29, 2011, 08:15:20 PM
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      SSL enabled on the web site now.
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      July 29, 2011, 10:58:39 PM
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      Curious is your iphone / android dealio an actual app or is it a webpage frontend?

      If its an app, have any plan to make a webos app? =)

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      July 30, 2011, 06:23:12 PM
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      Web page designed for an iPhone with big buttons and that "look". Native app would have been nice but then it wouldn't work on anything but iOS. The Managed Rig page in the screen shots should work find on webOS.
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      July 31, 2011, 11:57:35 AM
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      You say "Proportional payout method based on shares submitted per round". Now when I read the website FAQ it says

      "How are payouts calculated? [TOP]
      We use the Pay Per Last N Shares method to calculate payouts when a round ends. "

      You should not change the payout method behind the back of people, and not during a running round. Also N is not specified!
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      July 31, 2011, 02:55:05 PM
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      You say "Proportional payout method based on shares submitted per round". Now when I read the website FAQ it says

      It is kinda messed up changing payout schemes in the middle of a round, invalidating work people have already put in
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      July 31, 2011, 04:45:57 PM
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      How are you going to pay the miners that submitted proportional shares (like me). You can't change the payout method in the middle of the round. I had a positive balance and now it's gone. Please do the right thing and take care of this.
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      July 31, 2011, 05:27:20 PM
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      After talking to other pool Op's I've decided to move to PPLNs after this round. It will go into effect when the round ends and I've already updated the FAQ. The payout code hasn't been change but the payment estimate code has been when we moved over to 0% fee with donation levels.

      If you want to discuss sticking with straight prop lets talk about it, I'm open. The reliable 24x7 miners appreciate PPLNS because it can't be gamed so easy like proportional can be.
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      August 05, 2011, 10:37:41 PM
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      Straight prop.
      I'd be willing to donate premium percentage, so say like 2.5% to 5% to have hopping access along with a reliable API.  Tie the pool stats into a the user API, which can only be enabled after you donate a predetermined percentage.  You can then redistribute this fund to your full time miners as "additional hopper income".  I think the ~50GH/s will definitely help a pool out and also attract more miners.  Even if most hoppers leave after 43% of shares being submitted, there is still an incentive for finishing a block, because without the block being finished no one will get payed hopper or not.
      http://www.digbtc.net/ DigBitcoin resurrected itself after switching back to purely prop after trying LNSMPPS.
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      August 05, 2011, 11:30:15 PM
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      I like this idea. Has this worked out for any other pools? Do hoppers think it's a good idea?
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      August 06, 2011, 12:44:45 AM
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      I'm not sure, I'll ask though.  The closest implementation is by bitcoinpool.com.  If you donate any amount they will not flag you as a hopper.  If you get flagged as a hopper you will lose 50% of your earnings and they will be redistributed amongst the pool. 
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      August 09, 2011, 04:56:12 AM
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      I like this idea. Has this worked out for any other pools? Do hoppers think it's a good idea?

      Yes we do. I donate 1% where ever I mine if they have it set up. Many of us have thought about offering donations to ease the anger some.

      Some pools also do something different

      They offer both prop and PPS.. (dont know if you can handle PPS yet)

      anyways when they do that, we can use their PPS as a back up pool.. which we jump on when no one else is lucky.. which is pretty often sometimes.

      The hopper is coded so you can set it up to jump on the backup pool with the most shares, when you are on backup.

      This could also help you in a way, as hoppers get the bad rep for only being around on short rounds and being very missed on the very long rounds.

      Sometimes we even help pools that dont have PPS set up.. a bunch of us jumped on ozco.in when they had a 9 million share  block and helped

       get over the top at 10 million and found the block. It could have been a few more days without all the extra hashes.


      just a thought anyways. We like people who dont hate us.


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