Where are the merit source?

[Dingdongjl]

This post is not to brag about merit system.

Am I the only one here wondering where are the merit sources? Because honestly I can only see few of them.
Im aware that there are 80 merit source assigned by theymos, but I can only see some of them actively distributing their merits.

Im not telling here that I deserve to get some merits actually Im contented in this Jr. Member position there's no problem for me if I dont get some or will not rank up anymore in the future, but this is for all of the members here need to get some.

Is it possible if those merit sources has list that can see by all of us, so that all of us can see if they are active?
I know that all the merit sources assigned are trusted by theymos. But maybe some of them can abuse their sMerit from their merit source allowance and distribute the merits to only those who they know or friends or maybe they have favoritism, we dont know.

But if we have a public list of this merit sources they will have a doubt to abuse the merit because they are visible to the public and can be reported.

EDIT: additional
We can see a lot of merit giveaways from a normal members, but there are assigned merit sources that the community must expect a large number of this event from merit sources.

If a merit source make this kind of events for high quality content there will be more sponsor and support from those users who has a lot of merits for sure.


Please dont get offended if you are one of the merit source Im not telling here that all merit source are not active and not distributing their merits.  

PS: Im not here to make an argument.

[Seetheummerallyeah]

The merit sources aren't public in order to prevent PMs/Replies begging these sources for merit. It shouldn't matter whether someone is a source or not. If you see them abusing the merit system (eg meriting their friends) and have definitive proof, you can bring it up in one of the merit reporting threads and someone will red-tag the accounts.

I agree that only a few people actively distribute their merits consistently, but this applies to all forum users and not just the merit sources. Half of the merits you receive are supposed to be given out to others, but many people don't. This may be due to laziness or lack of knowledge but I think is a problem that needs to be addressed.

[Dingdongjl]

The merit sources aren't public in order to prevent PMs/Replies begging these sources for merit. It shouldn't matter whether someone is a source or not. If you see them abusing the merit system (eg meriting their friends) and have definitive proof, you can bring it up in one of the merit reporting threads and someone will red-tag the accounts.

Im sure that people know the merit source list also know the rules of the merits users are afraid to beg because everyone know that it is strictly prohibited and we all know beg=red tag easily.

If not the list of merit sources released must include the rules of the merit system and has this note.
"Anyone beg for merit will be instantly tagged"

[TheUltraElite]

This post is not to brag about merit system.

Am I the only one here wondering where are the merit sources? Because honestly I can only see few of them.
Im aware that there are 80 merit source assigned by theymos, but I can only see some of them actively distributing their merits.

Im not telling here that I deserve to get some merits actually Im contented in this Jr. Member position there's no problem for me if I dont get some or will not rank up anymore in the future, but this is for all of the members here need to get some.

Making them public will only make their harassment by shitposters and sob story beggars imminent.  I get it that you dont want to rank up at all 
And thus making this thread (the reason of which was pointed out previously before as well)

Why not let the Merit sources be at peace and distribute merit as and when they desire?

Is it possible if those merit sources has list that can see by all of us, so that all of us can see if they are active?
I know that all the merit sources assigned are trusted by theymos. But maybe some of them can abuse their sMerit from their merit source allowance and distribute the merits to only those who they know or friends or maybe they have favoritism, we dont know.

Maybe you are correct. Maybe you are just butthurt that you are not getting the "exposure" from merit sources that you expected to get when you were posting in the forum. There will appear a type of bias and favouritism among merit sources and that is good for the forum. In that way only the true quality posters will get recognised and not random members. Gradually the system will mature and people will actually get to know each other better and thus enhance the contact between each other -  as a long term effect of Merit.

But if we have a public list of this merit sources they will have a doubt to abuse the merit because they are visible to the public and can be reported.

Wrong assumption because they are under scrutiny of forum administration. Any wrong step by them will be warned by themos. Dont comment on things that you dont have access or have half-knowledge about.

Please dont get offended if you are one of the merit source Im not telling here that all merit source are not active and not distributing their merits.  
PS: Im not here to make an argument.

Well I am not a merit source (obviously) and I am just stating some facts and my opinions.

[Dingdongjl]

Maybe you are correct. Maybe you are just butthurt that you are not getting the "exposure" from merit sources that you expected to get when you were posting in the forum. There will appear a type of bias and favouritism among merit sources and that is good for the forum. In that way only the true quality posters will get recognised and not random members. Gradually the system will mature and people will actually get to know each other better and thus enhance the contact between each other -  as a long term effect of Merit.

Actually sir I dont expect any merit on all of my post and as I have said I dont care about ranking up anymore because for me if no one gives me its good then if someone do its better. Im a kind of person that just go to the flow.
I dont get the connection of merit system and about that you are saying knowing each other better.

Wrong assumption because they are under scrutiny of forum administration. Any wrong step by them will be warned by themos. Dont comment on things that you dont have access or have half-knowledge about.

Are you sure about this statement sir? because as far as I know they are not monitored by admins because admins are too busy thats why they designate those merit sources.

[athanz88]

Maybe you are correct. Maybe you are just butthurt that you are not getting the "exposure" from merit sources that you expected to get when you were posting in the forum. There will appear a type of bias and favouritism among merit sources and that is good for the forum. In that way only the true quality posters will get recognised and not random members. Gradually the system will mature and people will actually get to know each other better and thus enhance the contact between each other -  as a long term effect of Merit.

Actually sir I dont expect any merit on all of my post and as I have said I dont care about ranking up anymore because for me if no one gives me its good then if someone do its better. Im a kind of person that just go to the flow.
I dont get the connection of merit system and about that you are saying knowing each other better.

Wrong assumption because they are under scrutiny of forum administration. Any wrong step by them will be warned by themos. Dont comment on things that you dont have access or have half-knowledge about.

Are you sure about this statement sir? because as far as I know they are not monitored by admins because admins are too busy thats why they designate those merit sources.

They are merit sources because theymos give them the privileges to be one, of course theymos monitors them because merit is a system moderated by the forum/admin and they will be punished hard if theymos know that the merit sources is not doing their job wisely. The system is different from default trust system. Admins is busy for important things, and i believe merit is one of them, because merit decide the future of this forum, more good contributor or more spammer, merit will decide which way we are going now.

Like TheUltraElite said, let them work behind the curtain. They will work for sure. If their identity as merit sources is known by people, i can not imagine how hard their life would be because there will be so many people begging for merit to them. 

[Talk merit]

You guys starting and posting in merit threads should read some of the existing ones.

Theymos posted that he would not be making a list of merit sources available publicly, but that a list has been provided for the use of staff and admins. As other have mentioned, this has been done to avoid the inevitable spamming and begging that the publication of such a list would generate.

Instead of worrying about merit sources, you guys should be more concerned about the merit leeches, that suck the available sMerits away from the quality posters who need them. These leeches are the account farmers and signature abusers who are such a nuisance in the forum,

The detection of merit abusers seems to have become one of the topics that regularly receives merit, so expect an increase in the number of stats, graphs, tables and false accusations as we approach the next allocation of merits to the sources.

[tranthidung]

Yeah, should not publicly list of merit sources because it can lead to annoying abusements from merit beggars. Nevertheless, over time smart users will know who are merit sources (Theymos also stated that in the topic about merit system).

Theymos posted that he would not be making a list of merit sources available publicly, but that a list has been provided for the use of staff and admins. As other have mentioned, this has been done to avoid the inevitable spamming and begging that the publication of such a list would generate.

Over time, merit leeches will end some day. Why is that? For each merit exchanging round, sMerits will decrease half, then after several times exchanging merits, those merit abusers will lose all of their sMerits.
After that, if they are not able to contribute to the forum, they will stuck at that point of merit-count. Might be forever.

Instead of worrying about merit sources, you guys should be more concerned about the merit leeches, that suck the available sMerits away from the quality posters who need them. These leeches are the account farmers and signature abusers who are such a nuisance in the forum,

[Talk merit]

Over time, merit leeches will end some day. Why is that? For each merit exchanging round, sMerits will decrease half, then after several times exchanging merits, those merit abusers will lose all of their sMerits.
After that, if they are not able to contribute to the forum, they will stuck at that point of merit-count. Might be forever.

If only that were true. Unfortunately, they are fairly skilled at acquiring fresh sMerits from other members, including some bounty managers, These sMerits can then be propagated around their network. The purchase of 4 sMerits gives them 7 sMerits for their network, and those could have gone to new and junior members.

[athanz88]

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If only that were true. Unfortunately, they are fairly skilled at acquiring fresh sMerits from other members, including some bounty managers, These sMerits can then be propagated around their network. The purchase of 4 sMerits gives them 7 sMerits for their network, and those could have gone to new and junior members.

Yes i agree with this statement from Talk merit (i forgot his original account lol), some of the abusers are quite skilled they can score merit easily to do some other abuses. That is why, i think it is better if the merit decay process is faster, because if the process is faster, then the abusers will be forced to do the abuse faster and we can notice it faster thus the tagging can be done faster (if there are a lot of people who work as merit police). The abuser and alt-account could be spotted easier because the time span to make a post is shortened (because the merit is expired faster) and it might lowering the quality of their posts (especially those with a lot of account) so if they spam it on top of a bad posts, it can be indicated as an act of merit abusing.

[Dingdongjl]

Can anyone answer this because Im confused if those ANN Threads really deserve's 50 merits because I see a lot of Ann threads getting 50 merits.

[lobcmt2]

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In your thread, what I saw is faster-oversued abusement. I don't think that it is good to express your ideas like this. This over-emphasized thread make it a little bit hard to follow your ideas.
However, I agree with you and Talk merit that merit abusers are smart and they will figure out new ways to abuse the merit system. Unfortunately, the more they try abusing merit system, the faster they will be found and punished by moderators.
Perfect plan from Theymos.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

I’m a Merit Source - And no you can’t have any!

[BTCeminjas]

I’m a Merit Source - And no you can’t have any!

Even though he/she has made a good quality post?
Well, for me that's part of favouritism, isn't?
                                                                                                                                                                                             

That's right, that all obvious merit abuser will be punished if they are going to caught by moderators and those DT members also.
Even though how smart they are in getting smerit, a time comes they will get tagged or forever be banned if they will continue cheating here in the forum.

Those assigned who have merit source, please be fair on giving smerit I saw mostly they are giving each other those high ranks to high rank.
I really appreciated those merit source who has a thread for merit review service because some of the newbies to member rank will not noticeable in the forum from merit source.

Do they really need to post here to just notice and get a merit?
If bitcoin discussion, altcoin discussion and trading discussion will not meritable for them can theymos implement a rule that newbie to member rank will not be able to post that section?

PS. forgive my word just saying and please no offend.

[Jet Cash]

I hope the merit sources realise that merits help newbies to rank up.



only kidding.

[yojodojo21]

Well I think this should be the least reply in this thread.
The merit sources are not sleeping, and then you should not worry about it, it's good that they are keeping their sendable merits so that those people who really deserve it will get it. You should make a deep search through all the sections in this forum. So that you'll see that all those merit sources are well doing their Job, and is giving merits professionally.

[Name: Claudio]

As theymos says on his post for the merit rules, if you read it carefully then, you will meet a line like this,
"We wont state who will be the source of sMerit, for them not to be bug so much" something like this...
so no one will answer your question, haha

[r1s2g3]

But if we have a public list of this merit sources they will have a doubt to abuse the merit because they are visible to the public and can be reported.

Why do you want to report  Merit Sources only, if you are so interested in Merits then scrutinize  every Merit given and received and report at below thread.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2896910.0.

[Jet Cash]

If somebody is abusing the merit system by awarding merit when they shouldn't, it doesn't matter where they got the merit, just report them.

[DdmrDdmr]

sMerit awarding is by definition subjective and not objective. Knowing who the merit sources would not alter this fact, and it’s fine that just a few know or are able to deduct who they are.

A source is there to counteract the overall amount of sMerit decay every time it is awarded, by pumping fresh additional sMerit into the system. They also have a task of ensuring putting it in circulation into the system. They are not there to be hit up for merit at every chance as would happen if they were to be publically listed.