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November 04, 2013, 07:16:42 AM
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It looks like there is a patent covering Bitcoin:

http://www.google.com/patents/US20100042841

Who are these inventors?

Neal King, Vladimir Oksman, Charles Bry
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November 04, 2013, 07:22:32 AM
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Honey badger doesn't give a shit. 
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November 04, 2013, 09:27:09 AM
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Good luck suing the network for patent infringement.
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November 04, 2013, 09:38:45 AM
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHHHH!!

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November 04, 2013, 10:11:33 AM
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patent trolls, one of the worst kind of trolls.
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November 04, 2013, 10:14:00 AM
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Honey badger doesn't give a shit. 

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November 04, 2013, 10:50:53 AM
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Interesting, the submission date pre-dates Satoshi's paper unless I am mistaken?
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November 04, 2013, 11:31:32 AM
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It looks like there is a patent covering Bitcoin:

http://www.google.com/patents/US20100042841

Who are these inventors?

Neal King, Vladimir Oksman, Charles Bry

They are very likely to be the real Satoshi Nakamoto. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Bitcoin#Satoshi_Nakamoto
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November 04, 2013, 02:34:18 PM
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Something smells fishy.



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November 04, 2013, 03:17:32 PM
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Calling this a 'patent troll' is just laughable. The Bitcoin domain name was registered 3 days after this paper was published. The registration happened in Finland, and it just so happens that one of the people named on the paper had travelled there 6 months previously. Both this paper and the Bitcoin whitepaper contain the phrase "computationally impractical to reverse".

Given that 2 of the three have an intelligence community background, one might have expected the Bitcoin cultists to do a bit of digging.
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November 04, 2013, 03:31:34 PM
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It looks like there is a patent covering Bitcoin:
http://www.google.com/patents/US20100042841
Are you dense?  Not even.  You must consider the claims...

A method for providing secure communications, the method comprising:
generating a shared secret known to a first node and a second node;
generating a utilized key and a stored key from the shared secret;
using the utilized key to encrypt messages between the first node and the second node;
generating a new shared secret known to the first node and the second node; and
deriving a new utilized key and stored key.


'generating a shared secret' - shared secret cryptography is completely different than asymmetric cryptography.  Bitcoin uses asymmetric cryptography - there are no shared secrets.  100% sure (I'll bet you 1000BTC) this patent does not cover anything to do with bitcoin.

Go back to work.  
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November 04, 2013, 04:16:16 PM
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It looks like there is a patent covering Bitcoin:

http://www.google.com/patents/US20100042841

Who are these inventors?

Neal King, Vladimir Oksman, Charles Bry

They are very likely to be the real Satoshi Nakamoto. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Bitcoin#Satoshi_Nakamoto
Hmmm, maybe they are indeed.

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November 04, 2013, 04:39:13 PM
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LOL patent? LOL


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November 04, 2013, 04:53:30 PM
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It looks like there is a patent covering Bitcoin:

http://www.google.com/patents/US20100042841

Who are these inventors?

Neal King, Vladimir Oksman, Charles Bry


not sure if the OP patent covers Bitcoin, but it is relevant that IBM has been nosing around this space lately.  They are some of the worst patent trolls in the field and they have billions invested in selling financial technologies to Wall St. etc.  Remember what happened when they bought Red Hat?

http://www-935.ibm.com/industries/financialmarkets/
http://techrights.org/2013/09/20/ibm-pr/

IBM's hardware sales have not been going well lately: http://gigaom.com/2013/10/17/for-ibm-hardware-news-is-bad-news/



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November 04, 2013, 05:22:07 PM
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Why did it take almost two years from filing date to publication?

Something smells fishy.


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November 04, 2013, 06:46:23 PM
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Calling this a 'patent troll' is just laughable. The Bitcoin domain name was registered 3 days after this paper was published. The registration happened in Finland, and it just so happens that one of the people named on the paper had travelled there 6 months previously. Both this paper and the Bitcoin whitepaper contain the phrase "computationally impractical to reverse".

Given that 2 of the three have an intelligence community background, one might have expected the Bitcoin cultists to do a bit of digging.
I was just doing some googling and found that too, can anyone who is better than me at this do some more research into it?

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November 04, 2013, 07:01:22 PM
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It looks like there is a patent covering Bitcoin:
http://www.google.com/patents/US20100042841
Are you dense?  Not even.  You must consider the claims...

A method for providing secure communications, the method comprising:
generating a shared secret known to a first node and a second node;
generating a utilized key and a stored key from the shared secret;
using the utilized key to encrypt messages between the first node and the second node;
generating a new shared secret known to the first node and the second node; and
deriving a new utilized key and stored key.


'generating a shared secret' - shared secret cryptography is completely different than asymmetric cryptography.  Bitcoin uses asymmetric cryptography - there are no shared secrets.  100% sure (I'll bet you 1000BTC) this patent does not cover anything to do with bitcoin.

Go back to work. 

1000BTC is a big amount to bet. IF you really want to bet, I'd say be more reasonable. :-)

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November 04, 2013, 08:43:47 PM
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Bitcoin itself is a patent by nature which doesn't need any enforcement. It's a peace of code which is not copyable without destroying its function.

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November 04, 2013, 11:04:51 PM
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Why did it take almost two years from filing date to publication?

Something smells fishy.



No, that is normal. It's always like this. There are background checks for each patent, and it takes an awfully long time to make sure that there isn't another patent on the same thing.
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