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April 19, 2018, 05:46:09 AM
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In my opinion Socialism is good for us.
Because,capitalism is associated with unfair and inefficient distribution of wealth and power. So there is no chance for equal growth.In this model "rich get richer and the poor get poorer".
If we think like environmentalist,then capitalism requires continual economic growth and will inevitably deplete the FINITE natural resources of the earth.

Under socialism, there is a weak motivation for work and self-improvement. It does not matter whether I'm smart, or stupid - my income doesn't change significantly.
As for capitalism - everything depends on you. Everyone can achieve anything if he makes every effort
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From my experience, I'd rather go with capitalism. Socialism is a failed strategy, as evident from history. None of the countries that have adopted socialism has succeeded, and the list includes North Korea, Bolivia, Cuba, Zimbabwe, Cambodia, and Venezuela.

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April 19, 2018, 07:51:26 AM
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If ideas must be developed, if competition is to be encouraged, then capitalism
should be encouraged.Merit is the way to develop a society competitively. If socialism
is implemented, a lot of talents would definitely die down knowing that you are not expected
or encouraged to solely depend on personal efforts to survive.Naturally, a lot of citizens
would rest on their oars.Hence, capitalism harnesses the talents in everyone and gives the
opportunity to appreciate your good efforts after all.

True. In a socialistic frame. No matter how hard you work, you will not get richer. No matter how talented you are you will not move foreward. No matter how lucky you are, you won't get ahead. So you will tend to be lazy like everyone else. Socialism is shared wealth, whereby everyone will pull in their funds and divide it equally. But what if i don't have funds to give? Socialism will work well if everybody actually works well for a single goal. We humans haven't worked for a single goal in our history.

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April 19, 2018, 08:10:27 AM
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I always love socialism v capitalism debates on the internet which is a product of socialism.

Anyway this graph shows the historica UK debt. In 1945 the UK moved to a socialist/capitalist mixed economy. Check the effect on the debt.

From 1979 onwards it has been moving to a capitalist one. Check how the debt has changed.

https://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_nationl_debt.php
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April 19, 2018, 11:14:23 AM
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If ideas must be developed, if competition is to be encouraged, then capitalism
should be encouraged.Merit is the way to develop a society competitively. If socialism
is implemented, a lot of talents would definitely die down knowing that you are not expected
or encouraged to solely depend on personal efforts to survive.Naturally, a lot of citizens
would rest on their oars.Hence, capitalism harnesses the talents in everyone and gives the
opportunity to appreciate your good efforts after all.

True. In a socialistic frame. No matter how hard you work, you will not get richer. No matter how talented you are you will not move foreward. No matter how lucky you are, you won't get ahead. So you will tend to be lazy like everyone else. Socialism is shared wealth, whereby everyone will pull in their funds and divide it equally. But what if i don't have funds to give? Socialism will work well if everybody actually works well for a single goal. We humans haven't worked for a single goal in our history.
yea the fact is, socialist make us to be just "ordinary people". and it will end young generation creativity, but for some people the walfare will be well distributed all over the class. or i can said that you work hard for the welfare of all citizen. for example china is very developed although he follows the socialist ideology. so it will depends on the citizen of that country itself  Grin
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April 19, 2018, 11:34:33 AM
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If ideas must be developed, if competition is to be encouraged, then capitalism
should be encouraged.Merit is the way to develop a society competitively. If socialism
is implemented, a lot of talents would definitely die down knowing that you are not expected
or encouraged to solely depend on personal efforts to survive.Naturally, a lot of citizens
would rest on their oars.Hence, capitalism harnesses the talents in everyone and gives the
opportunity to appreciate your good efforts after all.

True. In a socialistic frame. No matter how hard you work, you will not get richer. No matter how talented you are you will not move foreward. No matter how lucky you are, you won't get ahead. So you will tend to be lazy like everyone else. Socialism is shared wealth, whereby everyone will pull in their funds and divide it equally. But what if i don't have funds to give? Socialism will work well if everybody actually works well for a single goal. We humans haven't worked for a single goal in our history.
yea the fact is, socialist make us to be just "ordinary people". and it will end young generation creativity, but for some people the walfare will be well distributed all over the class. or i can said that you work hard for the welfare of all citizen. for example china is very developed although he follows the socialist ideology. so it will depends on the citizen of that country itself  Grin
Socialist countries are succesful Have you noticed that the Scandinavian countries (Denmark, Finland, Norway, and Sweden) are almost always in the top 10 best nations. They have a high standard of living, high education system, free health care, and low crime rates.
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April 19, 2018, 12:07:24 PM
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If ideas must be developed, if competition is to be encouraged, then capitalism
should be encouraged.Merit is the way to develop a society competitively. If socialism
is implemented, a lot of talents would definitely die down knowing that you are not expected
or encouraged to solely depend on personal efforts to survive.Naturally, a lot of citizens
would rest on their oars.Hence, capitalism harnesses the talents in everyone and gives the
opportunity to appreciate your good efforts after all.

True. In a socialistic frame. No matter how hard you work, you will not get richer. No matter how talented you are you will not move foreward. No matter how lucky you are, you won't get ahead. So you will tend to be lazy like everyone else. Socialism is shared wealth, whereby everyone will pull in their funds and divide it equally. But what if i don't have funds to give? Socialism will work well if everybody actually works well for a single goal. We humans haven't worked for a single goal in our history.
yea the fact is, socialist make us to be just "ordinary people". and it will end young generation creativity, but for some people the walfare will be well distributed all over the class. or i can said that you work hard for the welfare of all citizen. for example china is very developed although he follows the socialist ideology. so it will depends on the citizen of that country itself  Grin
Socialist countries are succesful Have you noticed that the Scandinavian countries (Denmark, Finland, Norway, and Sweden) are almost always in the top 10 best nations. They have a high standard of living, high education system, free health care, and low crime rates.

None of the Scandinavian countries are socialist.
All of them are democracies, and most important capitalist countries with a free market and economy.
You're mistaken social security and welfare and socialism.

And if you still don't believe that, here is the prime minister of Denmark telling Bernie that Denmark in not a socialist country.

https://www.vox.com/2015/10/31/9650030/denmark-prime-minister-bernie-sanders

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"I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism," he said. "Therefore, I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy."

In Rasmussen's view, "The Nordic model is an expanded welfare state which provides a high level of security to its citizens, but it is also a successful market economy with much freedom to pursue your dreams and live your life as you wish."

The only true socialist countries are those where hunger and poverty rule.


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April 19, 2018, 12:11:34 PM
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   I personally prefer capitalism, yes it creates social segregation but people are not equal by their nature and obtained social skills. It seems to be fair for smart and strong to get success he deserves.
   Socialism limits people much, it takes away motivation to improve selfefficiency because strict rules reduce a space which good skills may be implemented to. Only successful socialism state I know is China, but who wants to be not allowed to use Google or Facebook and get internet access by ID card?

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April 19, 2018, 12:30:59 PM
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From my experience, I'd rather go with capitalism. Socialism is a failed strategy, as evident from history. None of the countries that have adopted socialism has succeeded, and the list includes North Korea, Bolivia, Cuba, Zimbabwe, Cambodia, and Venezuela.

All of the countries you listed are either fascist dressed up as socialist or being torn apart by America economically.

Lets have a look at the worlds best countries to live in. All of them are a socialist/capitalist mixed economy.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/top-10/2016-worlds-happiest-countries/
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In essence socialism is an equal distribution of wealth. Capitalism on the other hand is a form of a merit system. Not imagine yourself in a socialist society. Now you're working hard and busting your ass off and you actually made alot of money. Now your neighbor on the other hand are lazy slobs who spends their days laying around. Now the money you earned will be distributed to them and you have nothing you say about it. In a capitalistic society if you work hard then you can have that. If your neighbor is lazy that person will not be you neighbor after a few months. I say capitalism is better.

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Between socialism and capitalism I would choose capitalism any day of the week. Socialism offers no incentive to do anything other than pick up your check. To many people would refuse to do anything any no advances would be made and to society would stagnant and eventually die.
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Capitalism and socialism are somewhat opposed to economic thought. The central argument in the debate of socialism vs. capitalism is about economic equality and the role of government. Socialists believe that economic inequality is not good for society, and governments are responsible for reducing it through poor profitable programs such as free public education, subsidized or free health services, social security for the elderly, higher taxes for the rich. On the other hand, capitalists believe that governments do not use economic resources efficiently as private entrepreneurs do, and hence society is better off with free markets determining winners and losers economically.
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April 19, 2018, 09:25:12 PM
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there are no such thing as black or white, most of the thing fall into grey areas, so a healthy mix of socialism with capitalism can be a good option, pure capitalism has its own problem whereas pure socialism has proved to be disaster in the past so mixture of both of them would serve the purpose. Pure capitalism or pure socialism has very peculiar problems which arises when either of them are applied in their fullest form. they lead to accumulation of wealth, power & drifts the already wedge between rich and poor.
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If ideas must be developed, if competition is to be encouraged, then capitalism
should be encouraged.Merit is the way to develop a society competitively. If socialism
is implemented, a lot of talents would definitely die down knowing that you are not expected
or encouraged to solely depend on personal efforts to survive.Naturally, a lot of citizens
would rest on their oars.Hence, capitalism harnesses the talents in everyone and gives the
opportunity to appreciate your good efforts after all.

True. In a socialistic frame. No matter how hard you work, you will not get richer. No matter how talented you are you will not move foreward. No matter how lucky you are, you won't get ahead. So you will tend to be lazy like everyone else. Socialism is shared wealth, whereby everyone will pull in their funds and divide it equally. But what if i don't have funds to give? Socialism will work well if everybody actually works well for a single goal. We humans haven't worked for a single goal in our history.
yea the fact is, socialist make us to be just "ordinary people". and it will end young generation creativity, but for some people the walfare will be well distributed all over the class. or i can said that you work hard for the welfare of all citizen. for example china is very developed although he follows the socialist ideology. so it will depends on the citizen of that country itself  Grin
Socialist countries are succesful Have you noticed that the Scandinavian countries (Denmark, Finland, Norway, and Sweden) are almost always in the top 10 best nations. They have a high standard of living, high education system, free health care, and low crime rates.

None of the Scandinavian countries are socialist.
All of them are democracies, and most important capitalist countries with a free market and economy.
You're mistaken social security and welfare and socialism.

And if you still don't believe that, here is the prime minister of Denmark telling Bernie that Denmark in not a socialist country.

https://www.vox.com/2015/10/31/9650030/denmark-prime-minister-bernie-sanders

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"I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism," he said. "Therefore, I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy."

In Rasmussen's view, "The Nordic model is an expanded welfare state which provides a high level of security to its citizens, but it is also a successful market economy with much freedom to pursue your dreams and live your life as you wish."

The only true socialist countries are those where hunger and poverty rule.


wow thanks for the information, i haven't hear about that before. but im not in any side neither capitalism nor socialism. i just said that both always have pros and cons, and the way of thinking of the citizen itself that can make the cons in other mind to be the pros in their mind  Grin
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All of the things in this world, if taken into extremes, would be not good for all of us --- just like socialism and capitalism. Both ideologies do have pros and cons. For socialism, it advocates for equal and fair distribution of resources for the society to grow simultaneously. It provides what people need in order for them not to be left behind. On the other hand, capitalism pushes a healthy competition for us to grow. It paves way for a development through giving people what they deserve. But if I were to choose between the two, I would pick capitalism but with a mix of socialism. Because I do believe that people should not be stagnant and complacent and should strive more for them to develop more through a healthy competition. However, we must not forget people who are in the bottom pf the society. Because there is nothing more that fulfilling than to see all of you grow.

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I prefer capitalism because I think that socialism is an ideology for adolescent people. There are many pros of capitalism:

1. Resources are used as efficiently as possible.
2. Production is adjusted to the needs of the market.
3. There is a constant improvement of the ways of management and organization, introducing new technologies, creating innovative products.
4. There is a motivation to improve skills, to work productively.
5. Both the consumer and the producer are free to choose what to buy and what to produce.
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Socialism involves equal distribution of wealth while Capitalism is somehow what you do is what you get. I must say that the one that is good for us is the Capitalism. Through that, equality can be achieved as when you worked hard, you will be paid off and if you don't, then you also don't have to get from it. It is not being selfish, it is being fair on everyone. We all should do something for our lives and we are the one who should lift our life not anyone in the society. People in the lowest part of the society should be helped but not in the way that they will not do something for their own. Maybe that's the reason why I prefer Capitalism over Socialism.

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Capitalism is a voluntary system.

Socialism requires force.

You choose Force? Why?
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In my opinion Socialism is good for us.
Because,capitalism is associated with unfair and inefficient distribution of wealth and power.So there is no chance for equal growth.In this model "rich get richer and the poor get poorer".
If we think like environmentalist,then capitalism requires continual economic growth and will inevitably deplete the FINITE natural resources of the earth.


jes ehm modern capitalism that the usa spreads is a neofeudal form of capitalism where the rich own income sources and the poor are forced to sell their times.

this system will never end as the rich always try to secure their position better and better.

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Capitalism is a voluntary system.

Socialism requires force.

You choose Force? Why?

Socialism is meant for the lazy people, who want to live off others hard work. The problem with socialism is that as the system progresses, we will be having less and less hard-working people with every passing year. Such people will either emigrate to other countries, or stop working altogether.

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