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November 07, 2013, 05:13:47 AM
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Screwing around with the windows calculator, I obtained this result 2^256 ~ 1,16x10^77
Hope this helps.

Yes, it does. Your calculations are correct (according to this wiki page)
2^256 = 115,792,089,237,316,195,423,570,985,008,687,907,853,269,984,665,640,564,039,457,584,007,913,129,639,936

Back to original calculation:
1,16x10^77 / 1billion / 1 trillion * 2.3 = 2.67x10^56 Joules
That is, indeed, more than 12 orders of 10 of the total sun's estimated energy (1.3x10^44)

Conclusion:
The very pretty Sci-fy poster is correct - even with perfect thermodynamic computer it is impossible to just count 2^256 using all of suns energy.
Which answers the original OP's question: No it's not possible to build a wallet generator.

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November 13, 2013, 07:02:00 PM
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why do people keep asking this?

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November 14, 2013, 02:33:35 AM
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why do people keep asking this?

ignorance

also see "bitcoin is tulips"

This is not some pseudoeconomic post-modern Libertarian cult, it's an un-led, crowd-sourced mega startup organized around mutual self-interest where problems, whether of the theoretical or purely practical variety, are treated as temporary and, ultimately, solvable.
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November 14, 2013, 02:39:29 AM
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why do people keep asking this?

ignorance

also see "bitcoin is tulips"

see also:
should make block times 10 seconds so tx are fast
should steal/recover unused coins
should blacklist "bad" coins
should demurage coins so people will spend them
deflation will destroy the world
21M BTC is not enough to go around
all coins will be mined by 2040
how can bitcoin work once mining stops
etc
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November 14, 2013, 02:43:07 AM
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hmmm, I think I will start by running the entire script of the princess bride against the FBI wallet

Good idea, but don't you think that DPR would also have a salt? 

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November 14, 2013, 02:45:21 AM
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why do people keep asking this?

ignorance

also see "bitcoin is tulips"

see also:
should make block times 10 seconds so tx are fast
should steal/recover unused coins
should blacklist "bad" coins
should demurage coins so people will spend them
deflation will destroy the world
21M BTC is not enough to go around
all coins will be mined by 2040
how can bitcoin work once mining stops
etc


very nice summary D+T

thank you

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November 14, 2013, 05:38:44 AM
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This is not possible. Sorry to disappoint you.


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November 14, 2013, 07:36:39 AM
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My inclination is to disregard the likelihood

But let's all remember that the unthinkable occurs with greater regularity in nature than we expect

Shouldn't happen but who knows?

The effect you're referencing is called 'normalcy bias', the general belief (however false, intellectually) that bad things aren't going to happen to us because they never really have.  The problem with this statement, is that statistics and mathmatics don't have a normalcy bias.  Whatever can happen, eventually will; but whatever cannot happen, will not.  While it's not actually impossible for a random address keypair collision to occur, the odds are astronomically unlikely.  The odds that a potted petunia and an adult whale were to pop into existence 20 miles above the surface of the Earth is about as likely as any single individual, or even all of us, have of forcing a single keypair collision within our own natural lifespans.

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November 14, 2013, 07:42:33 AM
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Short answer not really

Long answer isn't there something more fruitful you could be doing with your time?

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November 14, 2013, 07:49:57 AM
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This is not possible. Sorry to disappoint you.


Yes it's 100% possible to build a generator.
Yes it's possible to hit a jackpot with it , but chances are 0.00000... my fingers hurt... 1%

Second , people like to cling on that 2^256 , which is not quite right.
Let's assume for instance there are only 10000 combinations. And the most advanced supercomputer is doing 1/second Cheesy.
John has password 1823 , Jerome 5674 , and Maya 7777.
Well , it didn't take 10000 seconds for their passwords to get cracked right?

Same with passkeys , some will be safe till the dinosaurs are hit again by an asteroid , thousands of them are cracked right this second.
Also , do you know the amount of passkeys is not equal to the amount of addresses? Cheesy
Just a though about how secure your password might be.

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November 14, 2013, 02:32:58 PM
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Yes it's 100% possible to build a generator.
Yes it's possible to hit a jackpot with it , but chances are 0.00000... my fingers hurt... 1%

Second , people like to cling on that 2^256 , which is not quite right.
Let's assume for instance there are only 10000 combinations. And the most advanced supercomputer is doing 1/second Cheesy.
John has password 1823 , Jerome 5674 , and Maya 7777.
Well , it didn't take 10000 seconds for their passwords to get cracked right?

Same with passkeys , some will be safe till the dinosaurs are hit again by an asteroid , thousands of them are cracked right this second.
Also , do you know the amount of passkeys is not equal to the amount of addresses? Cheesy
Just a though about how secure your password might be.
That's incorrect. The private keys have so many possible combinations that it would take pretty much forever with the current processing power. That's as far as I'm acquainted with the subject.


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November 14, 2013, 02:39:17 PM
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Yes it's 100% possible to build a generator.
Yes it's possible to hit a jackpot with it , but chances are 0.00000... my fingers hurt... 1%

Second , people like to cling on that 2^256 , which is not quite right.
Let's assume for instance there are only 10000 combinations. And the most advanced supercomputer is doing 1/second Cheesy.
John has password 1823 , Jerome 5674 , and Maya 7777.
Well , it didn't take 10000 seconds for their passwords to get cracked right?

Same with passkeys , some will be safe till the dinosaurs are hit again by an asteroid , thousands of them are cracked right this second.
Also , do you know the amount of passkeys is not equal to the amount of addresses? Cheesy
Just a though about how secure your password might be.
That's incorrect. The private keys have so many possible combinations that it would take pretty much forever with the current processing power. That's as far as I'm acquainted with the subject.


It will take forever to ... what? Get them all? yeah!  Get a few of them ? it's a nanosecond job.

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November 14, 2013, 02:45:53 PM
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It will take forever to ... what? Get them all? yeah!  Get a few of them ? it's a nanosecond job.
If it was that easy, someone would do it.


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November 14, 2013, 02:48:27 PM
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This is not possible. Sorry to disappoint you.


Yes it's 100% possible to build a generator.
Yes it's possible to hit a jackpot with it , but chances are 0.00000... my fingers hurt... 1%

Second , people like to cling on that 2^256 , which is not quite right.
Let's assume for instance there are only 10000 combinations. And the most advanced supercomputer is doing 1/second Cheesy.
John has password 1823 , Jerome 5674 , and Maya 7777.
Well , it didn't take 10000 seconds for their passwords to get cracked right?

Same with passkeys , some will be safe till the dinosaurs are hit again by an asteroid , thousands of them are cracked right this second.
Also , do you know the amount of passkeys is not equal to the amount of addresses? Cheesy
Just a though about how secure your password might be.
Still, there are only 2^160 possible addresses from the 2^256 pool due to RIPEMD-160.

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November 14, 2013, 02:50:02 PM
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It will take forever to ... what? Get them all? yeah!  Get a few of them ? it's a nanosecond job.
If it was that easy, someone would do it.

Got to https://www.bitaddress.org , bulk wallet and there you go... you can generate 10000 adresses.
Chance on getting one with some bitcoins hiding there , close to 0 , but it's still a possibility.
It is not impossible.

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November 14, 2013, 02:51:50 PM
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This is not possible. Sorry to disappoint you.


Yes it's 100% possible to build a generator.
Yes it's possible to hit a jackpot with it , but chances are 0.00000... my fingers hurt... 1%

Second , people like to cling on that 2^256 , which is not quite right.
Let's assume for instance there are only 10000 combinations. And the most advanced supercomputer is doing 1/second Cheesy.
John has password 1823 , Jerome 5674 , and Maya 7777.
Well , it didn't take 10000 seconds for their passwords to get cracked right?

Same with passkeys , some will be safe till the dinosaurs are hit again by an asteroid , thousands of them are cracked right this second.
Also , do you know the amount of passkeys is not equal to the amount of addresses? Cheesy
Just a though about how secure your password might be.
Still, there are only 2^160 possible addresses from the 2^256 pool due to RIPEMD-160.

Sorry , I think I read above in this thread 2^256 and took that for granted without even thinking back.

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November 14, 2013, 03:04:17 PM
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i have been running a random number generator for over a week, over 100 hours and hit 1 wallet with $4.13. it might take a million years to target one address but there's not just one out there.
the only thing i have not done is log the private key that had cash in it the program just keeps running. but i will be changing that soon.

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November 14, 2013, 03:11:38 PM
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i have been running a random number generator for over a week, over 100 hours and hit 1 wallet with $4.13. it might take a million years to target one address but there's not just one out there.
the only thing i have not done is log the private key that had cash in it the program just keeps running. but i will be changing that soon.

If you really hit an address, please make a big post about this and let people analyse it, unless there is some bad random number stuff / low entropy stuff like brainwallet involved this should not have happened.
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i have been running a random number generator for over a week, over 100 hours and hit 1 wallet with $4.13. it might take a million years to target one address but there's not just one out there.
the only thing i have not done is log the private key that had cash in it the program just keeps running. but i will be changing that soon.

If you really hit an address, please make a big post about this and let people analyse it, unless there is some bad random number stuff / low entropy stuff like brainwallet involved this should not have happened.
It was just luck. I would be surprised if he finds another one within the next 1 billion years.

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November 14, 2013, 03:14:54 PM
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It was just luck.

If someone wins lotto 4 times in a row that may happen, but you still want to analyse if there is any flaw in the system.
Especially the random number generator used in this case.
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