if i trade merit with someone to support his noble cause whats wrong with it?

[KingScorpio]

imagine someone comes to me and offers me to trade merit with him,

i then ask why do you need merit?

he says something like

i need to have an account in bitcoin talk for a humanist ico that is fighting poverty among small children in africa and the middle east. and if i dont have lots of merit i cant get enough attention. or will not be taken serious.
and then convinces me with his proof.

is it then ok to give or trade with him merit to support his project?

because otherwise he would have to waste massive time to constantly appease and happyfy the irrational forum community and cant develop the structures of his ico

and scamicos will continue to be dominant as only those have the funds to pay the workers to write all those shady articles or pay the forums admins with "donations"

regards

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[Quickseller]

I think that tagging may be appropriate in particularly obvious cases, or particularly egregious cases involving hundreds of merit points and several posts. But generally you should start out by assuming good faith, and only change that opinion as the evidence really piles up. Tagging someone immediately after an instance of apparently-inexplicable meriting is too trigger-happy IMO. Even if it is a case of illegitimate merit, even hundreds of illegitimate merit points are not much of a problem IMO, so you have to ask whether it's worthwhile to possibly make a mistake by tagging someone who is merely suspicious.

[bitcoin revo]

No.

Merit should only be used to reward people who create quality posts. Nothing more, nothing less.

Anyone can lie to try and manipulate you to give them merit. That doesn't justify going against its function. You can replace the word "merit" in your post with "reputation" and you'll see exactly what I mean. There's little to no difference between the comparison.

Those donations you're talking about are $66K-$330K, and I don't really see any ICOs bothering to "bribe" the forum through that route.

Also, I've very rarely seen people being disregarded because of a low merit score. If he makes a solid ANN with a solid idea then I doubt there will be serious opposition due to his "lack of merit".

EDIT: QS has a direct and simple quote above on this kind of merit trading, but I'm leaving this post here as well because I believe it expands further on your question.

[KingScorpio]

No.

Merit should only be used to reward people who create quality posts. Nothing more, nothing less.

Anyone can lie to try and manipulate you to give them merit. That doesn't justify going against its function. You can replace the word "merit" in your post with "reputation" and you'll see exactly what I mean. There's little to no difference between the comparison.

Those donations you're talking about are $66K-$330K, and I don't really see any ICOs bothering to "bribe" the forum through that route.

Also, I've very rarely seen people being disregarded because of a low merit score. If he makes a solid ANN with a solid idea then I doubt there will be serious opposition due to his "lack of merit".

EDIT: QS has a direct and simple quote above on this kind of merit trading, but I'm leaving this post here as well because I believe it expands further on your question.

but what is a quality post? how do you define it.

and how can you prevent someone who simply copy and pastes a quality post from another website/forum with small changes. so it becomes unique

additionally telling what is good and what not will be abused and good will be everything in bitcoins agenda and nothing in favor of the common agenda

regard

[tuanytcc]

Merit exchanges are one of the most terrible abusements on merit system and in forum rules' violations in somewhat extent.
For available topics on merit abusements and punishments on abusers, there you go:
List of users who are abusing merit system
More mass merit farming

Please read those ones, and don't do stupid things like those ones.

Best regards, fella.

[iillaa]

but what is a quality post? how do you define it.

and how can you prevent someone who simply copy and pastes a quality post from another website/forum with small changes. so it becomes unique

additionally telling what is good and what not will be abused and good will be everything in bitcoins agenda and nothing in favor of the common agenda

regard

It simply doesn't matter  since it's hard to define if he copied that topic and from where he copied it    but am sure if the original good topic from some forum  will be read by   less than 10 k person   so if that person  copy past it here  more ppl will be able to benefit from the good content

Thus that is unethical  to  steal others idea  it still a facr that ppl do it all time and u can't   prevent it  nor  prove it 

[Vod]

imagine someone comes to me and offers me to trade merit with him,

i then ask why do you need merit?

he says something like

i need to have an account in bitcoin talk for a humanist ico that is fighting poverty among small children in africa and the middle east. and if i dont have lots of merit i cant get enough attention. or will not be taken serious.
and then convinces me with his proof.

is it then ok to give or trade with him merit to support his project?

If you look past the begging part, then of course it's ok to give him merit.

But as for trading.....  why would he give you merit?  What did you do that was worthy?

NOTHING- that's why I consider it wrong.

[iillaa]

imagine someone comes to me and offers me to trade merit with him,
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If he is really fighting for a Noble cause

He should then know  that
the end does not justifies the means 

If u want to give him  merit it's totaly your choice
If u want to sell the merit  than accept  the consequence if u get caught since u will violate  one of the main rules 

[KingScorpio]

imagine someone comes to me and offers me to trade merit with him,

i then ask why do you need merit?

he says something like

i need to have an account in bitcoin talk for a humanist ico that is fighting poverty among small children in africa and the middle east. and if i dont have lots of merit i cant get enough attention. or will not be taken serious.
and then convinces me with his proof.

is it then ok to give or trade with him merit to support his project?

If you look past the begging part, then of course it's ok to give him merit.

But as for trading.....  why would he give you merit?  What did you do that was worthy?

NOTHING- that's why I consider it wrong.

jes ok then why not trade because there are like 20 like him comming to me, and they all want their project to get merit, their project is altruistic, but then i just go corrupt and opportunitstic like bitcointalk, or coinmarketcap and help of course the one that "donates" me back the most merit in return.   i will call this deal

"imo (instant merit offering) in exchange for a donation after an overview weather your articles suit my private agenda"

jes well thats how its right i dont "trade" i demand just a "donation" for looking at his article and considering it for evaluation support but also ask for a "donation"

just like bitcointalk and coinmarketcap

[1020kingz]

imagine someone comes to me and offers me to trade merit with him,

i then ask why do you need merit?

he says something like

i need to have an account in bitcoin talk for a humanist ico that is fighting poverty among small children in africa and the middle east. and if i dont have lots of merit i cant get enough attention. or will not be taken serious.
and then convinces me with his proof.

is it then ok to give or trade with him merit to support his project?

because otherwise he would have to waste massive time to constantly appease and happyfy the irrational forum community and cant develop the structures of his ico

and scamicos will continue to be dominant as only those have the funds to pay the workers to write all those shady articles or pay the forums admins with "donations"

regards

We all have reasons to be merited or why we need merit from others, others need it badly to rank up in this forum just like me, and others need it for a cause like what you said, its your decision though, if you give a merit just be responsible in giving it, try not to violate rules and try not to just give it away, i think you can help him to know more in this forum and teach him to be more constructive so that he can earn the merit that he want from other users rather than begging it. best regards your a good man to consider his request and post it here in the forum.

[True Vozer]

Nothing happens but you will receive negative trust..

[KingScorpio]

Nothing happens but you will receive negative trust..

and why cant i take merit as a donation for looking at someones articles and demanding merit in return?

coinmarketcap also wants "donations" for supporting icos and their listening.

this is also a system that helps established ones.

its actually the exact same behavior like coinmarketcap and bitcointalk adimnistration.

[iillaa]

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and why cant i take merit as a donation for looking at someones articles and demanding merit in return?

That is what merit system is made for   ... to rank up ppl with good content in their article

its actually the exact same behavior like coinmarketcap and bitcointalk adimnistration.

Sadly it is not  CMC give lot of help and utility to the crypto community 
It's like someone here write a great helpfull article 

While in this case like everyone is saying  the guy is literally begging for some merit which violate rules 
And if u trade merit with him u also violate rules 

U did not mention he did great content in his article and u want to help him but  u said he is begging for merit ( indirectly)

[ducdr]

For the topic's creator, this is link to available answer for the guy on another topic, which I found by chance.

I think you misinterpreted what I wrote, which shouldn't be construed as giving people the freedom to openly post offers to trade merit like OP just did.  I tagged him accordingly.  

Who I'm not tagging are people I come across who have seemingly traded merit, where there's a judgement call to be made as to whether that's what's going on or not.  OP's is a very clear case.  He wrote an offer to trade merit with other users, and that's a violation of the rules of the system, or at least the spirit.  Not a potential violation: an actual violation.

This Merit method is not working like it should in removing spam.

But it's working great as far as keeping the low-ranked shitposters from ranking up.  Yeah, maybe some of them have slipped through the cracks, but I'm seeing plenty of them stuck at Jr. Member when they normally would have ranked up already.  It's certainly succeeding in that respect.  The fact that these shitposters are too stupid to realize they're not going to rank up can't be blamed on the merit system.  Eventually they'll learn.

The guy should learn from the thread, which published by The Pharmacis, who is famous, strict member of the forum. In contrast, The Pharmacist usually give us valuable warning messages, recommendations to increase the general user-experience in the forum.
Let's read it carefullly and follow him to catch more useful lesssons from The Pharmacist.

[DarkStar_]

You don't need merits to get attention.

[KingScorpio]

You don't need merits to get attention.

i also think that way but since you have created it to make the accounts looking differently important or trustworthy, why not get it then?

i think i will call this new social interaction

"considered/reviewed exchange of merit donations"

since trading merits is illegal, lets use that name now

[Joel_Jantsen]

i need to have an account in bitcoin talk for a humanist ico that is fighting poverty among small children in africa and the middle east. and if i dont have lots of merit i cant get enough attention. or will not be taken serious.
because otherwise he would have to waste massive time to constantly appease and happyfy the irrational forum community and cant develop the structures of his ico

I don't see a co-relation between feeding the hungry mouths and begging for merits on bitcointalk.Btw you just insulted me by calling us an "irrational forum community".

[Mpamaegbu]

Being showered with Merit doesn't address the scenery the OP painted. No one needs merit to get attention (except in signature campaigns). What the OP’s imaginary friend needs is a "Trust Endorsement" to draw attention to a course and gain support.

However, bestowing either Merit or Trust arbitrary is Wrong.

[nakamura12]

No.

Merit should only be used to reward people who create quality posts. Nothing more, nothing less.

Anyone can lie to try and manipulate you to give them merit. That doesn't justify going against its function. You can replace the word "merit" in your post with "reputation" and you'll see exactly what I mean. There's little to no difference between the comparison.

Those donations you're talking about are $66K-$330K, and I don't really see any ICOs bothering to "bribe" the forum through that route.

Also, I've very rarely seen people being disregarded because of a low merit score. If he makes a solid ANN with a solid idea then I doubt there will be serious opposition due to his "lack of merit".

EDIT: QS has a direct and simple quote above on this kind of merit trading, but I'm leaving this post here as well because I believe it expands further on your question.

I agree with you sir, There's no need to earn merits if you really want to help and have an ico that will help who you want to help. As long as you're willing to help you are ready to take any risk and be honest to make your own project successful.

[Talk merit]

This site is an information exchange, and a crypto help forum. It is not a site for beggars to pollute the forum by asking for money for possibly fraudulent charities. So much money has been stolen in the name of helping to alleviate 3rd world poverty, that I no longer give an money to aid organisations. I find it extremely annoying that so many begging advertisements are allowed, so that money can be diverted to the purchase of weapons and the enrichment of the organisers and not the poor.

The merit system was introduced to reduce low value begging spam ( amongst other things), please support the new merit system, and don't abuse it.