Re: The Free State Project (split)

[gene]

Unregulated business=bitcoin.

I love unregulated business. What do you want to do about it ?

This is incoherent. Bitcoin is not a business. It is a currency, sort of.

[QuantumMechanic]

What do you think of unregulated business?

Everybody is for "regulation".

Sometimes government controls have the effect of "regulating".

I think free people would be much more effective at "regulating".

And no, gene, free does not necessarily mean disempowered.

N.B. trolls eat flying cars.

[Anonymous]

What do you think of unregulated business?

Everybody is for "regulation".

Sometimes government controls have the effect of "regulating".

I think free people would be much more effective at "regulating".

And no, gene, free does not necessarily mean disempowered.

N.B. trolls eat flying cars.

Watch, he's going to argue democracy is the effective way for people to "regulate".

[Anonymous]

Unregulated business=bitcoin.

I love unregulated business. What do you want to do about it ?

This is incoherent. Bitcoin is not a business. It is a currency, sort of.

How many more pages are you going to dodge that one simple question?

What are you going to do if I refuse ?


If you dont answer it I will consider that I won this argument.

[Anonymous]

Honestly, this argument is so shallow. We are only arguing the basic sequences of our beliefs.

[gene]

Unregulated business=bitcoin.

I love unregulated business. What do you want to do about it ?

This is incoherent. Bitcoin is not a business. It is a currency, sort of.

How many more pages are you going to dodge that one simple question?

What are you going to do if I refuse ?


If you dont answer it I will consider that I won this argument.

 

I did answer you, on the last page:

So gene what would you do to me if i refused to participate in your society ?

Probably what happens to shut-ins and recluses today. They languish in isolation. Or they write existential poetry. Most people won't care if you refuse to participate, as you're not controlling some important resource.

Now, if rich people, who made their money in large part because of favorable conditions established by society, don't want to give back to that society, then they will have to answer to their peers. Here is what separates you and me: I trust people to make the proper choices. In the old days, they used to tar and feather those people. I don't think that would happen today, but most likely, rich people who refuse to give anything back (via taxes) would have to face fines. This seems reasonable to most people and to me. It fits the offense.

[Anonymous]

Prove to us that government force actually provides more favorable conditions than a freer society. Prove to us that prosperous people should truly owe their prosperity to the current state-of-affairs, if you will.

[Anonymous]

lol @ "fines"

What if you dont pay your fines ?

[gene]

Prove to us that government force actually provides more favorable conditions than a freer society. Prove to us that prosperous people should truly owe their prosperity to the current state-of-affairs, if you will.

I suspect that you're young and maybe a little inexperienced in discussing these matters with somebody who disagrees with you, but let me explain why I will ignore that paragraph.

The first part is a classic example of begging the question:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

It is also filled with loaded terms.

Finally, a hypothesis or theory cannot be proved. The best one can do is to try to disprove the null hypothesis.

[genjix]

Prove to us that government force actually provides more favorable conditions than a freer society. Prove to us that prosperous people should truly owe their prosperity to the current state-of-affairs, if you will.

I suspect that you're young and maybe a little inexperienced in discussing these matters with somebody who disagrees with you, but let me explain why I will ignore that paragraph.

The first part is a classic example of begging the question:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

It is also filled with loaded terms.

Finally, a hypothesis or theory cannot be proved. The best one can do is to try to disprove the null hypothesis.

I suspect that you're young and inexperienced in these matters, but let me explain why I will ignore that paragraph.

The first part is a classic example of an ad hominem:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

[genjix]

you come here to argue. you don't need to use schoolchild fallacy put downs. if your argument is strong enough then state the facts.

[gene]

[double posts sans content]

Rest assured that I did not mean to condescend. I think that Atlas is honestly trying to discuss the topic, but that the terms of the discussion can be improved. I think that he is young because I used to discuss things in the same terms when I was young.

[Anonymous]

I'll humor you and admit that I am young. 17 years old. I appreciate your good intentions.

[gene]

I'll humor you and admit that I am young. 17 years old. I appreciate your good intentions.

I wasn't trying to find out how old you are, but I think we should all try to clarify important terms and discuss things without letting rhetorical tricks (unfortunately all around us in our day-to-day lives) get in the way. The Orwellian "language of politics" has effectively done away with politics today.

[kiba]

They are cheerleader for unregulated business. Several posters here are right there with them.

Help me understand the distinction. What do you think of unregulated business?

Big business are usually the most powerful enemies of free markets.

They hate being the slaves of consumers, so they seeks way to crush their competitors so they don't have to work their butt just to thrive. Human beings hate having to work so much for food, so it is reflected in how corporations acted.

Often, they used the government to make laws favorable to corporations at the expense of their competitor. Their competitor lobby to defend themselves, creating a vicious cycle.

Soon, everybody will be worse off in the long run. 

One way to eliminate such problem is to remove the vector altogether. That's not a complete solution. You'll need to introduce competition to force them to be efficient enterprise that serve the customers, their master.

[gene]

Big business are usually the most powerful enemies of free markets.

They hate being the slaves of consumers, so they seeks way to crush their competitors so they don't have to work their butt just to thrive. Human beings hate having to work so much for food, so it is reflected in how corporations acted.

Often, they used the government to make laws favorable to corporations at the expense of their competitor. Their competitor lobby to defend themselves, creating a vicious cycle.

I agree.

[Anonymous]

The law of unintended consequences says that anything the government does fails. They stop market signals getting through and people end up investing when they shouldn't , causing boom and bust cycles.

Sure they are great at having good intentions but in the end it causes worse problems. Interference in the natural order and market signals causes most mal-investment.

[em3rgentOrdr]

They are cheerleader for unregulated business. Several posters here are right there with them.

Help me understand the distinction. What do you think of unregulated business?

Big business are usually the most powerful enemies of free markets.

That's why I call myself a "free-market anti-capitalist".