Most of the complaints I'm hearing are far from that.
most of the testing is just to establish a routte to send a single payment. usually in 1-2 hops,, they have yet to really get to the mayhem of their promises in indefinitely keeping channels open and also the fiction of cheap tx's
EG even the OP of the topic said getting a route isnt simple and many channels are needed (something i mentioned a few tims in many topics.. that hops dont work, that hubs are the only way) and meaning many onchain fee's to close and reopen when people go offline or run out of funds to be a middleman route. and many onchain fe's just to open the many channels to be a reliable hub
and also its only cheap if A needed to pay B. but if a needs to pay D so A needs B and B needs C to 'borrow' to D.. then C will wanna be paid a fee too.
and its not going to be often that a route is just going to be 1-2 middlemen fee's
imagine 5 connections is set as safe connectivity..
draw 9 dots and you will see not everyone is connected from 1 peer in one hop.(left side of image below)
![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FgGPnIeM.png&t=665&c=um0ctnucMFMPGQ)
yea only 9 people in the network but needing 2 hops to get to everyone with the ASUMPTION everyone is always online at all times and always has funding available.(right side of image above)
now imagine each of those nodes wanted to deposit $50 of their funds for routing.. ($10 per channel)
you might think wow the network is holding $450 ... but it doesnt mean $450 is at play all at one time indefinetly.
it means $10-$20 is at play at any one time, affecting only 1 middle guy..and when one side of a channel has 0 because they already been a route for someone else.. they are out
if $50 was at play at any one time, it would affect many middle guys. and once one side of them many channels are 0 because they have already used thier $10 alotments. their out
now this is a simply 9 node network and already there are limitations being spotted.
now try and draw 64 nodes 8x8 grid. and see how many lines(connections) are needed for everyone to be 2 hops from one another.
we are only talking about 64 users.
then try 1000 users only 2 hops away (1 middle man)
then work out what is the sweet spot is for how many conections are needed for 1000 people but relaxing the hop limit by saying 10 hops
(yes node A has now a bigger risk if 1 other node of a route goes offline it limits how many people it can pay. because it relies on many other as routes)
you start to see nodes just being 2 conction hoppers doesnt work and instead nodes having to be hubs with dozens/hundreds of connections in a hub/spoke model just to get a couple thousand people 'well connected
now expand that to 1 milion users.. now these hubs needs hundreds of connections and each channel(connection) needs funds locked in
now try 50million..
now try 200million
....
the dev's have not really thought through about the nodes needing to fund many channels to be "well connected" and the limitations that would bring
right now all they are doing is trying to make sure just 1 connection works to make single payments. they have yet to shock themselves about the issues of ongoing payments once funds per channel are depleted/users offline severing routes,
and also they have yet to even begine to realise the fund loss risk of HYIP(ponzi) scamming using autopilot
.. but hey. its only been the big PROMO future solution spread as utopia for the last 2 years... and even now people who havnt even looked into it beyond the reddit promo glossy paper.. still think they trust its going to b perfect and free and fast and without headaches and no limits
please runs some scenarios