Inputs.io Is Gone I'm Calling It A Scam

[aksplace]

1st--
who in their right mind would store bitcoins on inputs.io

For small amount it was fine because of free transactions.

2nd--
who actually believes it was "hacked"

Actually I do, it is tough to get secure system

It's not tough to not keep a million dollars worth of bitcoins in a fuckng hot wallet, after claiming to use cold storage. No system is perfectly secure, that's why you don't do that, it's a rookie thing to do and I don't see TF doing that after his security lectures on everyone else.

How does it make you feel the trust system has been possibly abused? Clearly anyone that received auto trust from him should be looked over. Recent Skype message I got form Fortress.



And to think this guy has my SS#, DL, and Military ID. With situation at hand is it best now to file a report and start the process of trying to receive a new SS# ?

[monbux]

I'm so glad I transferred my bitcoins a DAY before TF closed the site down

[BadBear]

I'm so glad I transferred my bitcoins a DAY before TF closed the site down

Makes me wonder if he allowed the site to run after the hack so he could get his personal funds out, and allow his buddies to get their money out before divvying up what was left to the rest of the suckers.

[2Kool4Skewl]

Inputs.yourmoneyintomypocket

[InwardContour]

I'm so glad I transferred my bitcoins a DAY before TF closed the site down

Makes me wonder if he allowed the site to run after the hack so he could get his personal funds out, and allow his buddies to get their money out before divvying up what was left to the rest of the suckers.

this is what i thought from the beginning. it was clear that some funds were still able to be moved out of inputs.io for quite some time after "the hack." TF continuing to accept deposits while letting others (and himself) cash out, and this goes on for weeks until the pyramid collapses? TF deserves a scammer tag unquestionably.

[Atruk]

I moved to this section from the Donator section a topic which I created to scrutinize Tradefortress activities:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211169.0

Please, read all carefully. You will find out that Tradefortress is involved in fraudulent activities since his inception in this forum. The tragic part is that Theymos, the administrator of this forum, gave special treatment to him, even after I produced the evidence which shows Tradefortress has been involved in the creation of sock puppets to dupe the forum participants.

Jesus there's a lot of shady stuff there..

Would have been more useful if us plebes who came into the coin after the GLBSE collapse and saw no reason to trust Theymos with coin could have seen this shit earlier...

[pittman]

Inputs.yourmoneyintomypocket

those are wise words.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

this is what i thought from the beginning. it was clear that some funds were still able to be moved out of inputs.io for quite some time after "the hack." TF continuing to accept deposits while letting others (and himself) cash out, and this goes on for weeks until the pyramid collapses? TF deserves a scammer tag unquestionably.

No. I haven't moved coins out of Inputs personally. The coins I did "move out" are (i) routine signature ad payments, (ii) wallet refill of coinchat/coinlenders, (iii) CL associated payments and (iv) coins moved to reduce hot pocket amount that are now being used to repay users.

Everyone who was aware of the hack previous to the public announcement were not Inputs users.

[posormo]

this is what i thought from the beginning. it was clear that some funds were still able to be moved out of inputs.io for quite some time after "the hack." TF continuing to accept deposits while letting others (and himself) cash out, and this goes on for weeks until the pyramid collapses? TF deserves a scammer tag unquestionably.

No. I haven't moved coins out of Inputs personally. The coins I did "move out" are (i) routine signature ad payments, (ii) wallet refill of coinchat/coinlenders, (iii) CL associated payments and (iv) coins moved to reduce hot pocket amount that are now being used to repay users.

Everyone who was aware of the hack previous to the public announcement were not Inputs users.

Bullshit.  Why should we believe a word out of your mouth.  Until you report this theft to the police you have ZERO trust.  Until you do that, piss off.

Anyone who has lost any money on this.  Please report this to the Australian authorities yourselves.  He's obviously not going to do it for you.

[b!z]

http://bitcoinreviewer.com/inputs-io-hacked-refund/

Just leaving this here for those who still were not able to get refunds.

[PrintMule]

Which means I have to follow the chain on who manages and runs it= TradeFortress. Personally never had any issues with him as he once loaned me 5 btc "of course I paid back with interest and in time." now that Inputs is down do you think Inputs was a scam?

My opinion that it was not intended as a long scam. Idea was great, execution was ok, everything was working, he paid quite a lod for ad space and other promotions. It would be interesting to look into TF's bookkeeping - how many BTC he got total, how many did he earn/lose in inputs before this event, how much will he probably lose by reputation damage.

Personally I do not believe it's a scam.

Also it's interesting what the thief will do with his btc - drop it fast or keep it?

[ChaosFox]

Which means I have to follow the chain on who manages and runs it= TradeFortress. Personally never had any issues with him as he once loaned me 5 btc "of course I paid back with interest and in time." now that Inputs is down do you think Inputs was a scam?

My opinion that it was not intended as a long scam. Idea was great, execution was ok, everything was working, he paid quite a lod for ad space and other promotions. It would be interesting to look into TF's bookkeeping - how many BTC he got total, how many did he earn/lose in inputs before this event, how much will he probably lose by reputation damage.

Personally I do not believe it's a scam.

Also it's interesting what the thief will do with his btc - drop it fast or keep it?

The good (and bad, in this case) about Bitcoin is how easy it becomes to trace any transactions back to its source, and now the hacker has a whole lot of "marked" Bitcoins. It think it would take a fair bit of mixing before they can spend them freely.

[PrintMule]

Also this can also be a huge gamble/gambit on TF part - "lose" 4k BTC at $300 and refund them a "find" bit later when they are $200

Although again, I stress out that personally I do not believe TF is a scammer.

[ChaosFox]

Same really, and I'm going to apply Hanlon's Razor on this particular case, until I'm proven wrong. I just don't think it would have made much sense to drop the facade now if he was scammer after putting so much effort on all his services, no matter how deeply flawed was their security from the get-go, and trying to build a reputation when he could have done it far earlier, probably get away with more money and when BTC wasn't at an all-time high so people would eventually forget about it.

[aceking]

please don't use web-wallets...

people don't learn

[wayner]

Same really, and I'm going to apply Hanlon's Razor on this particular case, until I'm proven wrong. I just don't think it would have made much sense to drop the facade now if he was scammer after putting so much effort on all his services, no matter how deeply flawed was their security from the get-go, and trying to build a reputation when he could have done it far earlier, probably get away with more money and when BTC wasn't at an all-time high so people would eventually forget about it.

1. He risked the security of thousands of bitcoins by having them stored in a hot-wallet, despite saying the contrary on several occasions.
2. He risked the security of thousands of bitcoins by using a hosting provider that has been known for months as problematic.
3. He let the services run for over 2weeks despite the knowledge of an attack that occurred and let people in the dark and received more deposits in this time.

Now after these points, do you really think he deserves any sympathy?
Of course its better to not run when you see that everybody got your real name already, that would be more then remotely stupid, Of course you would try to smoothing the offset, especially if you run a non-licensed financial institution that processed several millions of dollars worth.

[PrintMule]

Now after these points, do you really think he deserves any sympathy?
Of course its better to not run when you see that everybody got your real name already, that would be more then remotely stupid, Of course you would try to smoothing the offset, especially if you run a non-licensed financial institution that processed several millions of dollars worth.

He was and is a big part of btc community, and he indeed does deserve some sympathy.

[wayner]

He was and is a big part of btc community, and he indeed does deserve some sympathy.

When he is such a big part of this community, why does he make no attempt in trying to reveal the hackers identy? Why isnt he any helpful in regards towards an investigation?

[wayner]

Maybe he is, but he's just not posting it yet. The hacker(s) probably read these forums aswel. If they feel safe, they'll go through less trouble to cover up I guess.

And you are who defending him the whole time? If he is such a big part of the community why cant he speak for himself and is doing only selective responses?
Assuming and knowing are two different things, and from what i read yet he doesnt get anyone involved into any investigation process, and he himself doesnt seem be able todo it all.

Probably time to contact the Australian Government as someone suggested.

[bluemystic]

here is another one of his profiles https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=38455
notice the name? same name and location Australia