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November 07, 2013, 12:31:05 PM
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I really believe this guy, I think he knows what he is talking about.  Check this out.

http://altoidnerd.wordpress.com/2013/11/07/bitcoin-bubble-not-this-time-a-qualitative-analysis-of-bitcoins-price-and-lifecycle/

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November 07, 2013, 12:33:14 PM
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But your the same guy?

Lol funny though.


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November 07, 2013, 12:41:46 PM
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Clearly bitcoin and alternative currency is not a bubble.

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November 07, 2013, 12:43:54 PM
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You can detect Bitcoin bubbles by realizing a few facts:

1) on average, Bitcoin price increases about 1000% / yr

2) short term deviations from this behavior represent recessions and bubbles

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November 07, 2013, 12:50:04 PM
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But your the same guy?

Lol funny though.


Guilty as charged.

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November 07, 2013, 12:51:54 PM
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You can detect Bitcoin bubbles by realizing a few facts:

1) on average, Bitcoin price increases about 1000% / yr

2) short term deviations from this behavior represent recessions and bubbles

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Why?  It's really not even an embellishment.  If you look for the time between .1, 1, 10, ... on the log axis....

perhaps you're confusing the meaning of 1000% with 1000x?  1000% means 50 cents -> $5 -> $50 -> $500 ...

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November 07, 2013, 12:58:26 PM
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He closed all the tabs, because one of them had this thread in it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=326606
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November 07, 2013, 01:01:54 PM
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Well, you have to be honoust...where we at now IS a bubble. How do you explain a 300% uprise in a few weeks just by a chinese exchanger and SR2.0?  The dumpingdays will come...and with my stockexperience i guess that will be in the beginning of next week or there must come new exciting news like Ebay who IS implementing btc into their system.
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November 07, 2013, 01:05:31 PM
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Well, you have to be honoust...where we at now IS a bubble. How do you explain a 300% uprise in a few weeks just by a chinese exchanger and SR2.0?  The dumpingdays will come...and with my stockexperience i guess that will be in the beginning of next week or there must come new exciting news like Ebay who IS implementing btc into their system.

It's in the blog...this is right on cue with the historical growth.  It's an exponental system that was previously hampered by the negative impact of the last bubble.

When a system whose natural state is to gain a factor of 10 in a year, a recession looks rather mild.  But that recession has ended.  This point in time is truly right on the best fit line for the historical bitcoin data.

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November 07, 2013, 01:12:18 PM
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Almost all predictions in this forum are biased and its mostly what everyone wishes to happen.

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November 07, 2013, 01:14:51 PM
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I'm a max keiser fan

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November 07, 2013, 01:55:45 PM
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What will happen when lot of miners start to take profit?
Right now I believe they are just hoarding.
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November 07, 2013, 01:56:28 PM
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That won't happen for now...the only you should be afraid of are daytraders....and they will come.
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November 07, 2013, 02:15:58 PM
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Bubble sounds so negative. In April with the jump to >100 it was already buying panic and short term bubble,
more than now, and still went higher.
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November 07, 2013, 02:20:12 PM
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Almost all predictions in this forum are biased and its mostly what everyone wishes to happen.

This. Cryptos are possibly the most lucrative and difficult markets to analyse right now.

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November 07, 2013, 02:27:13 PM
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My personal prediction is overstepped by bitcoin. I never expected $300 this month!
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November 07, 2013, 02:31:08 PM
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ATM's? Just one in Vancouver and that is not really a point for raising up this coin.
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November 07, 2013, 02:37:01 PM
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How do you explain a 300% uprise in a few weeks just by a chinese exchanger and SR2.0? 

Head over to

http://btckan.com/price

and add up the trade volume of China and compare it to the rest of the world. Careful with dismissing China.
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November 07, 2013, 02:47:29 PM
Last edit: November 07, 2013, 03:06:08 PM by Altoidnerd
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Almost all predictions in this forum are biased and its mostly what everyone wishes to happen.
http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/chart.png?width=940&m=mtgoxUSD&SubmitButton=Draw&r=&i=&c=0&s=&e=&Prev=&Next=&t=S&b=&a1=&m1=10&a2=&m2=25&x=0&i1=&i2=&i3=&i4=&v=0&cv=0&ps=0&l=1&p=0&

All I am pointing out is that this data for historical price log linear on the time scale for the entire life of the currency.  It is not an uncommon relationship in physics and economics.  This chart actually shocked me when I realized it but sure as shit - it really does show roughly 10x increase yearly.

I am impressed at the fast doubling time of the price, but the exponential character doesn't surprise me at all because it is what you obtain from diffusion of the signal (knowledge, or news of bitcoin) through the human race. If you model the demand for bitcoin being proportional to the number of people who have ever even heard of it, since this is still a small fraction of the population on earth, the demand will have the exponential form for early times.  It is only when a significant part of the populous has already learned of bitcoin and decided they don't like it that the demand will cease to be exponential.

if you don't believe me, draw on a piece of paper 50 to 100 dots.  Suppose at t = 0 only one dot is special.  Connect that dot to another dot which represents two nodes in communication.  The let each of those nodes "tell" another dot at random.  There is now a 99.5% (check this?) chance that there will be 4 connected nodes now, because chances are they will be connecting with another unoccupied dot.  Even at this stage, if we repeat the step, we will most likely be left with 8 nodes connected.

You get this chart for N, the number of nodes the signal has propagated to

t  |0    | 1   | 2   | 3   |   4  |   5 |
N  |1   | 2    |4   |  8  |  ?    |  ? |


In the last two bins we might not get 16 and 32...there is some non trivial probability at this point that one of the nodes will connect to another which already is connected.  it is around this time when the propogation of news through a network ceases to be exponential as some nodes receiving word may "already know."

What this does establish is good to prove my point so I will say that now... for small times (e.g. not too many folks know about bitcoin) the demand for the currency D(t) will go like

D(t) ~ et/to   for  small t

The supply of bitcoin is, at any moment in the present, a linear function in t. But the supply function is not actually ~ t because we know it has the limiting form S(t) -> Sfinal for large t.  In fact we know that it roughly have the form

S(t) ~ t /2t/t'

The math speaks for itself.  If we model the price simply as P(t) = k D(t) / S(t) what do you find? It;s pretty marvelous actually!  Although for intermediate values of t the demand will begin to deviate from exponential behavior, the diminishing supply having the exponential in its denominator serves to offset this effect and in a sense create a roughly exponential demand price as a function of time even after the demand is no longer increasing in such a manner.

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November 07, 2013, 03:01:51 PM
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How do you explain a 300% uprise in a few weeks just by a chinese exchanger and SR2.0? 

Head over to

http://btckan.com/price

and add up the trade volume of China and compare it to the rest of the world. Careful with dismissing China.

I am not dismissing them but i can promise you that you will curse them enough in the future. The big dump has already started Smiley
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