[ANN] MITOSYS: New Encrypted Communications Cryptocurrency

[ripper234]

Did you review get a chance to review http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/12014/is-the-finite-blockchain-idea-secure  ?

Yah, if you scroll down you'll see I provided an answer which expands on Rosenfeld's answer.

Yeah, I remember now.
Well I didn't accept it at the time and it didn't get a lot of votes.
Perhaps it's time to kick up that discussion as well.
(I won't participate, too fricking busy)

[Zumbi]

Dear bitfreak!

Good to see you here and thank you for your interest.

Hopefully, this bounty will be collected soon by any bright mind(s) out there due to two new incentives:

1- Bitcoin has reached new all time highs
2- There is an actual concept for an application in which this tool can be used.

This won't be much of a problem provided that we join forces and spread the word to people that can solve this involved, plus generate interest in the idea, which will also drive skilled people to produce ideas, solutions and code.

Promotion of this concept is crucial for its implementation.

Best regards

[bitfreak!]

Did you review get a chance to review http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/12014/is-the-finite-blockchain-idea-secure  ?

Yah, if you scroll down you'll see I provided an answer which expands on Rosenfeld's answer.

Yeah, I remember now.
Well I didn't accept it at the time and it didn't get a lot of votes.
Perhaps it's time to kick up that discussion as well.
(I won't participate, too fricking busy)

Well Rosenfeld's answer was acceptable because it mentions how archive nodes can be used in times of emergency, but he didn't mention the most important point about new nodes refusing the join the network if they detect that a "secret chain attack" like that is happening, that is what really makes it difficult for the attack to succeed.

At this stage I'm quite satisfied with the defenses against such a secret chain attack. The only thing which really needs to be discussed in more detail is the exact structure and design of the account tree and how script can be replaced with a simpler type of transaction mechanism which only allows a limited set of hard-coded transaction types.

[bitfreak!]

Hopefully, this bounty will be collected soon by any bright mind(s) out there due to two new incentives:

1- Bitcoin has reached new all time highs
2- There is an actual concept for an application in which this tool can be used.

You're right, point 1 is obvious but I hadn't really thought about point 2 until I read this thread. The mini-blockchain scheme probably would be a great way to store encrypted messages in a decentralized fashion. Bitmessage also uses a type of dynamic blockchain doesn't it? So the difference between Bitmessage and this idea is that it will also function as a crypto-currency and not just a messaging service, which will enable more advanced messaging functionality like paid services?

[Zumbi]

Dear bitfreak!

Please read this and you will get a full picture of what this is all about, a draft on the concept, design and an implementation proposal for this system/cryptocurrency decentralized market of encrypted communications.

DRAFT FOR AN OPTIMAL DESIGN AND IMPLEMENTATION FOR A DECENTRALIZED/DISTRIBUTED ENCRYPTED DATA TRANSMISSION RIGHTS CRYPTOCURRENCY (EDC) AND DERIVED BUSINESS APPLICATIONS
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=327186

So the difference between Bitmessage and this idea is that it will also function as a crypto-currency and not just a messaging service, which will enable more advanced messaging functionality like paid services?

This is correct.

[bitfreak!]

DRAFT FOR AN OPTIMAL DESIGN AND IMPLEMENTATION FOR A DECENTRALIZED/DISTRIBUTED ENCRYPTED DATA TRANSMISSION RIGHTS CRYPTOCURRENCY (EDC) AND DERIVED BUSINESS APPLICATIONS
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=327186

Ok cool, it's sounds very similar to how I imagined it. One thing I want to mention though: you should link to my project wiki instead of the white paper because the white paper is very outdated compared to the wiki. I think this is a great idea though and I will keep my eye on this project. Send me a PM if you have any questions about the mini-blockchain proposal.

[Zumbi]

Dear bitfreak!

I shall edit the post to reflect that the most updated information of your concept is in the Wiki, and thank you very much for the generous proposal.

The main concern now maybe is not much about technical issues, but of human talent issues.

How do we get this to all of the "right" people, who can do something about it and get them interested in taking action?

Best regards

[marcus_of_augustus]

Watching

[Zumbi]

Created Trello Dashboard for Mitosys Development: Mitosys-Alpha

https://trello.com/b/jwYHyymU/mitosys-alpha

Currently we need help on polishing the Draft, identifying the necessary code that must be developed to implement this, set the proper bounties according to market and attracting the right developers (who can co-work and claim bounty together if they want to)

This board is OPEN for everyone to see however, all of you who want to have edit privileges please PM me with your email address so we can add you! - cc: bitfreak! -

All updates of the project will be both in the board and by editing the first post and putting the date of the update, so that new people that come and get to know about Mitosys, that will be the first thing that they see without having to read all posts.

[LGV]

Watching

Thanks Ron for heads up 

[bitfreak!]

How do we get this to all of the "right" people, who can do something about it and get them interested in taking action?

Well hopefully this Mitosys project will also get more people interested in the idea. I've done what I can by creating a bounty and advertising it on my website. I'm fairly busy with another project at the moment and with Christmas coming up I don't have too much time to spend on this stuff but I would like to see something get built.

[bybitcoin]

I have been waiting for a realization of Mini-Blockchain scheme, following their two threads (which have been quiet for a while).
It will be great to see these two projects merge together for making a full functional new Crypto.. watching!

[Zumbi]

In order to get this idea rolling we need to focus on polishing that draft and turning it into a solid business plan.

Once we have that business plan solidly crafted we can start pricing EDC coins  (which will also act like shares with voting rights in the system), very much similarly like investment banks do when they do an IPO (Initial Public Offering)

That way, instead of offering BTC bounties we could offer EDC bounties.

Here's why: I believe there must be a pre-mined amount of EDC coins in the Account Tree (about 5%) which will be allocated for developing purposes BEFORE the IPO/Launch of Mitosys.
In order for this to work, we must be very open about this fact BEFORE the IPO and store/distribute these coins in a preset-time and fashion, in publicly known addresses.

This public information is useful for economic actors in the system (users/miners/shareholders) because they know that these coins will be added to the monetary offer (sold) in a preset fashion, and can be discounted in EDC prices, giving them more certainty.

If developers/contributors to Mitosys project want to cash in their EDC holdings quickly in order to support their lifestyle, they could tie a PGP key to their identity, and sell those contracts in a private "secondary market" between them and investors who want to buy those coins, while notifying Mitosys project organizers in order to assign the coins/ deliver the private key to that new owner.

This is very similar of what happens with huge IPOs like Facebook. Shareholders like Zuckerberg, Saverin and employees who got paid in equity for their effort, had a lock-in period in which they could not sell their stock in order not to turn around during the IPO and crash prices, this would be akin to a pump and dump scheme.

Steve Jobs didnt own more than 3% in Apple stock, he developed a corporation in order to gift it to the world and make it public, and earn his fortune in the process.

This is the importance of DACs (Decentralized Autonomous Corporations), they are self-regulating entities who do not need a regulator like the Securities and Exchange Commision, they are regulated by changes in the code that are effected via the acquisition of voting rights. No need for Securities and Exchange comission. Everything is transparent, public and out in the open, and this must be the spirit of Mitosys as well.

How will this Decentralized Corporate Governance take place? I do not know, but we can take some inspiration on Mastercoin/Bitshares.

I think that the less complicated that the corporations' status (founding code) is made, the more transparent and easy to understand it will be and it will drive attention to long term investors, whether big or small, into Mitosys.

I am also thinking about certain principles that should be rock-solid in the foundation of the system, very much like the Founding Fathers of America did with the Constitution, with very high amount of voting rights to reform it, in order to keep the mission, vision and values of Mitosys untouched and remain a useful corporation for all actors involved -users, miners and shareholders/investors-.

Feedback and contributions are very much welcome!

[markm]

How about actually solving some of the real technical problems before running around soliciting money on the strength of seemingly nothing but a bunch of wild blue yonder pie in the sky ideas that if only you the marketing genius were provided enough money you'd solve all the problems of the world?

So far I have seen othing from you indicating you are even aware of any of the actual technical problems that all previous discussions of monetising bandwidth, transsmission, storage etc have stalled on.

But maybe you actually are aware of the problems and are deliberately avoiding mentioning them because if people know the thing could not be done they might not send you money?

I guess that is maybe what marketing genius is all about though, eh?

-MarkM-

[bybitcoin]

A business plan should be introduced only after a whitepaper or a proof of concept has been worked out and reviewed.

[Zumbi]

Dear markm,

Regarding the funding aspect of the business the only part in where I talked about sending money to someone was to developers. I've never asked money for myself or for anything else than that.

We hope you can contribute information about how to profitably monetize bandwidth, transmission and storage of data, and its technical obstacles.

The only way of breaking through a stall/plateau is by getting the word out, inevitably, people will come up with solutions. Particularly if you tell them that it can't be done


Dear bybitcoin,

I agree with you, a technical whitepaper must be produced before launching the business. From my part, I am giving everything that is in my possible means to implement this. There will be bright people who will be able to produce it.

Best regards

[Zumbi]

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From: Zumbi
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I saw the DAC list and thank you very much for including Mitosys.

About a social networking DAC: I already specified it in my draft, its at the final page, related to the next step after a communications cryptocurrency, is a data storage cryptocurrency.

But what is the constraint today for a DAC social network? The vast amount of information handled is too much for every client to have a copy of the blockchain where social network user data will be stored.

Ive been thinking maybe if a statistical analysis could be run regarding a certain piece of information being stored only in X amount of client/servers, what would be the fallibility rate, regarding hardware, communications, energy and third party failures (government/robbers/others). Therefore the blockchain would turn into some kind of "shamir's sharing secret of blockchains" in which each client/server would not hold the whole blockchain but rather pieces of it, that when, connected to the network, it would be fused as one. If not, we would have to wait until affordable Quantum computing comes and processing/storage data becomes so potent that our needs for information transmission/storage and its costs would be dwarfed by the technology available to handle them.
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[ripper234]

But what is the constraint today for a DAC social network? The vast amount of information handled is too much for every client to have a copy of the blockchain where social network user data will be stored.

Ive been thinking maybe if a statistical analysis could be run regarding a certain piece of information being stored only in X amount of client/servers, what would be the fallibility rate, regarding hardware, communications, energy and third party failures (government/robbers/others). Therefore the blockchain would turn into some kind of "shamir's sharing secret of blockchains" in which each client/server would not hold the whole blockchain but rather pieces of it, that when, connected to the network, it would be fused as one. If not, we would have to wait until affordable Quantum computing comes and processing/storage data becomes so potent that our needs for information transmission/storage and its costs would be dwarfed by the technology available to handle them.

I don't know how to implement a social network DAC. We should brainstorm that.
Get some deep tech guys to do the analysis.
I don't know if the social network DAC is separate from Mitosis or not ... you might want to merge that.

Try and get some of Bitcoin's core developers interested in this proposal.
Post to the technical Bitcoin threads/forums/mailing lists.

[Zumbi]

Hi Ron,

Thank you for your quality input as usual.

This is not separate from Mitosys, but as a roadmap to developing decentralized encryption data transmission and sharing. However I think this is the next step after the EDC cryptocurrency is developed. Either way, it wouldn't hurt to get the developers neurons firing at this issue and get them introduced to EDC.
I think it would have more "entity", respect and views if you post it, but if you'd like me to do so, let me know.

[Zumbi]

Good news for Project Mitosys: Mobile Mining Technology just kicked off (ICOMINER)

November 1, 2013 
http://www.macrumors.com/2013/11/01/new-plugin-allows-developers-to-turn-ios-devices-into-bitcoin-mining-bots/