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July 31, 2011, 01:23:18 PM
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1000btc frozen, lost or stolen by MyBitcoin?

By Todd Bethell

On 12 July 2011, 1000btc MtGox to MyBitcoin.
On 28 July 2011, 1000btc MyBitcoin to MtGox.

28 June 2011, payment notification was received. 8hrs later (the site was still up) visual verification was done in account history of the transaction and correct address.
48 hrs later still no coins.

This is where I need a block explorer expert.
21 minutes after MyBitcoin received the btc block explorer shows the coins from that wallet being split and transmitted hundreds of times all the way down to 1 Satoshi.
Question:
1.   Is this normal or a sign of fraud making it impossible to track?
2.   Are all wallets effectively used as ‘pool wallets’ for payouts?
3.   While I am not accusing MyBitcoin of theft, itn’t plosible that

Block 135867 (2011-07-12 07:06:54)   1000   Received: Address   •   1DeAkzL1MBriA37pHS46Nu1xcCzJ5sPupH
1000

Block 135870 (2011-07-12 07:27:05)   1000   Sent: Address   •   17e8zfFzVkKtx4ofdeoYHhdvu1cTKCpv2r
•   1NgjsaazumvjaR3WZuLqqKEed79RneQy2Q
0
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MyBitcoin Payment Notification
MyBitcoin Robot [nobody@mybitcoin.com]
toddbethell@fastscanning.com
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Hash: SHA1

Hello,

This is a payment notification from MyBitcoin.

You have sent Bitcoins!

Transaction Number: 245107
Transaction Date/Time: 2011-07-28 22:30:02
To: 18jsFKuKZ4w8mhdTYy9bZKKHmkZNSZrRUC
From: 19vKB489Lx1rxqS366f63mKDLXp6q3v3Ct
Amount: -1000.00
Payment Note: MtGox businessaccount1

Thank you.

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Approximately 8hrs later the coins had not been credited to my MtGox account. MyBitcoin was still up. My account history showed the coins had been sent and the sent to address was verified correct.
Security Note: The instant before clicking the send button (perhaps when my mouse hovered over it) I notice a screen blink or something changed, but it was too late to avoid clicking the button.

Q1. Has my computer been compromised such that the send address was swapped at the last instant?
Q2. If this is so, how could the correct address be recorded in the MyBitcoin data base?
Q3. Is it coincidence that the MyBitcoin service has gone down for 48hrs with nary a peep from its owner? A person who was very proactive and vocal during the MtGox incident.
Q4. I’m hard pressed to think of a technical reason how or why a transaction confirmation bot would send confirmation of btc transmission before such a transmission had actually occurred. Let alone consciously programmed in this way. It would seem that the bot was part of the book keeping data base and not confirming actual transmission from a ‘hot’ wallet.
Q5. It seems that the way MyBitcoins was using the wallets of its members (pooling them as a matter of operational efficiency or draining them as a scam??) this makes it impossible to track coins or analyze if they are insolvent?
Q6. Was my 1000btc withdrawal lower to water level in his 'hot wallet' enough to show Tom was swimming without a suit? In other words, for whatever reason, he was operating insolvent?

I would not normally keep so many coins in an on-line wallet but this was in preparation for a business transaction that was delayed.

I am preparing a blog and forum post or lessons learned and recommendations going forward:

If anyone has further information please post it here and send to my email also, or give me a call.
Skype:  toddbethell
Email:  toddbethell@fastscanning.com
Cell:  1-949-394-5932

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Action taken:
Phone: +6499518329  (always busy)
Emailed: enquiries were sent to abuse@mybitcoin.com
It is well know that Tom… only replys to ‘in-mail’ on his site.

Tom Williams
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PO Box 556
Charlestown, Nevis, KN

Todd Bethell, CFM, MBA
tbethell08@merage.uci.edu
toddbethell@fastscanning.com
Work: (949) 340-5438
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July 31, 2011, 03:47:00 PM
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maybe that post:
https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=33020.0
helps you a little...

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July 31, 2011, 05:21:21 PM
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Todd, I believe a new thread would be more appropriate for your post. It was not in reply to anyone else's nor does it address the OP's issue.

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July 31, 2011, 05:22:13 PM
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Todd, I believe a new thread would be more appropriate for your post. It was not in reply to anyone else's nor does it address the OP's issue.

He spammed al mybitcoin related topics with the same post.
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July 31, 2011, 05:27:46 PM
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Can someone please figure out what is going on with mybitcoin.com? Looks to me like it's a catastrophe.
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July 31, 2011, 05:33:01 PM
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Can someone please figure out what is going on with mybitcoin.com? Looks to me like it's a catastrophe.

How? Mailed 3 different email addresses, one (the abuse mail address) bounced. 2 (one of the company registered at that address and one old one that I used in the past to contact them) Haven't replied yet.
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July 31, 2011, 05:35:53 PM
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Can someone please figure out what is going on with mybitcoin.com? Looks to me like it's a catastrophe.

How? Mailed 3 different email addresses, one (the abuse mail address) bounced. 2 (one of the company registered at that address and one old one that I used in the past to contact them) Haven't replied yet.

We need to raise funds to send the most badass member of the Bitcoin community on a secret mission to Nevis to hunt down Tom Williams!
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July 31, 2011, 05:36:09 PM
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Todd, I believe a new thread would be more appropriate for your post. It was not in reply to anyone else's nor does it address the OP's issue.

He spammed al mybitcoin related topics with the same post.

I see. How trollish.

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July 31, 2011, 05:40:54 PM
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Can someone please figure out what is going on with mybitcoin.com? Looks to me like it's a catastrophe.

How? Mailed 3 different email addresses, one (the abuse mail address) bounced. 2 (one of the company registered at that address and one old one that I used in the past to contact them) Haven't replied yet.

We need to raise funds to send the most badass member of the Bitcoin community on a secret mission to Nevis to hunt down Tom Williams!

Maybe you can send John Doe.

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Can someone please figure out what is going on with mybitcoin.com? Looks to me like it's a catastrophe.

How? Mailed 3 different email addresses, one (the abuse mail address) bounced. 2 (one of the company registered at that address and one old one that I used in the past to contact them) Haven't replied yet.

We need to raise funds to send the most badass member of the Bitcoin community on a secret mission to Nevis to hunt down Tom Williams!

Maybe you can send John Doe.



I think we'll send y-o-u. Come back with the Bitcoins or don't come back at all. Grin
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July 31, 2011, 06:23:15 PM
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You are asking a lot of me here, but I will accept donations to go to Nevis.
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July 31, 2011, 07:03:12 PM
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We have a lot of bitcoin there..... ( as has already been reported in the press )...    Many -- perhaps most -- non-technical people... and businesses, I know and associate with,....  rely on MyBitcoin.com     

Most of my friends and family and associates.... all have all their bitcoin there too.

I hope it is back up tomorrow.
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July 31, 2011, 07:05:39 PM
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We have a lot of bitcoin there..... ( as has already been reported in the press )...    Many -- perhaps most -- non-technical people... and businesses, I know and associate with,....  rely on MyBitcoin.com     

Most of my friends and family and associates.... all have all their bitcoin there too.

I hope it is back up tomorrow.


This is serious. The guy potentially stole hundreds of thousands of dollars.
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July 31, 2011, 07:31:13 PM
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We have a lot of bitcoin there..... ( as has already been reported in the press )...    Many -- perhaps most -- non-technical people... and businesses, I know and associate with,....  rely on MyBitcoin.com     

Most of my friends and family and associates.... all have all their bitcoin there too.

I hope it is back up tomorrow.


Uh oh. We need The Bitcoin Device ASAP so people can both use bitcoin while being nontechnical and not have to rely on some anonymous third party. Here's my suggestion for The Bitcoin Device: https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=28923
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July 31, 2011, 07:43:54 PM
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We have a lot of bitcoin there..... ( as has already been reported in the press )...    Many -- perhaps most -- non-technical people... and businesses, I know and associate with,....  rely on MyBitcoin.com     

Most of my friends and family and associates.... all have all their bitcoin there too.

I hope it is back up tomorrow.


There needs to be a better way to store your bitcoins if you are not technically savvy. I was affected by the mt. gox hack and never ever leave my bitcoins or funds on their servers.

Anyone know what happened to mybitcoin.com in regards to why they are down?

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July 31, 2011, 07:47:49 PM
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Anyone know what happened to mybitcoin.com in regards to why they are down?

Only a "serious bug" (transactions to the bitcoin network didn't get processed) was reported a few hours before it went offline.
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July 31, 2011, 07:48:02 PM
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I contacted the web host and sent mybitcoin several emails, and tried to reach his phone (it has been disconnected). I say we file a police report.

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July 31, 2011, 07:54:00 PM
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We have a lot of bitcoin there..... ( as has already been reported in the press )...    Many -- perhaps most -- non-technical people... and businesses, I know and associate with,....  rely on MyBitcoin.com     

Most of my friends and family and associates.... all have all their bitcoin there too.

I hope it is back up tomorrow.


That really sucks! Dammit.  Some of us tried to warn you guys jeez.  
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July 31, 2011, 08:23:42 PM
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I hope it is back up tomorrow.


And I hope we all move all our money to some place else where they have dedicated staffs and multiple communication lines.

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July 31, 2011, 08:36:12 PM
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I hope it is back up tomorrow.


And I hope we all move all our money to some place else where they have dedicated staffs and multiple communication lines.

Or something that is run by trusted members the bitcoin community, like GLBSE.
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