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August 01, 2011, 11:35:22 PM
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I'm worried about the effect of this on the bitcoin PR machine.
Specifically - Bruce Wagner and onlyonetv's  bitcoin show.

Love him or hate him - he does get the message out there.
Unfortunately that message has often included mention of mybitcoin.

It's bad enough to lose one's personal holdings - but it's another level altogether when you introduce friends/family and small business owners and they then lose their money based on your recommendations/advice.   (even if it's not strictly 'advice' - and you did hint that it was a bit 'wild-west')

I feel for him and anyone else in a similar situation.
I do think Bruce has been a little too starry-eyed in some cases (e.g suggesting bitcoin 'seems to only go up' , and talking of potential huge values) but overall he's been doing a great job.  

Whatever the final outcome with mybitcion - I hope Bruce and the team will continue with the show and their efforts to cast light on all things bitcoin.

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August 01, 2011, 11:49:17 PM
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I'm worried about the effect of this on the bitcoin PR machine.
Specifically - Bruce Wagner and onlyonetv's  bitcoin show.

Love him or hate him - he does get the message out there.
Unfortunately that message has often included mention of mybitcoin.

It's bad enough to lose one's personal holdings - but it's another level altogether when you introduce friends/family and small business owners and they then lose their money based on your recommendations/advice.   (even if it's not strictly 'advice' - and you did hint that it was a bit 'wild-west')

I feel for him and anyone else in a similar situation.
I do think Bruce has been a little too starry-eyed in some cases (e.g suggesting bitcoin 'seems to only go up' , and talking of potential huge values) but overall he's been doing a great job.  

Whatever the final outcome with mybitcion - I hope Bruce and the team will continue with the show and their efforts to cast light on all things bitcoin.

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August 02, 2011, 12:33:59 AM
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We all have learned our lessons regarding bitcoin.

The community learned that bitcoin is real shit and we better treat all real shit like it's supposed be treated, with care.

Bitcoin isn't going to simply make us rich unless we treat it like an asset.

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August 02, 2011, 12:41:08 AM
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http://who.is/dns/mybitcoin.com/

Anyone else notice there is no MX record?  How was email to domain addresses supposed to be delivered?

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August 02, 2011, 12:46:39 AM
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http://who.is/dns/mybitcoin.com/

Anyone else notice there is no MX record?  How was email to domain addresses supposed to be delivered?

Can you translate this for the non-propeller headed?
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August 02, 2011, 12:51:20 AM
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http://who.is/dns/mybitcoin.com/

Anyone else notice there is no MX record?  How was email to domain addresses supposed to be delivered?

Can you translate this for the non-propeller headed?

It indicates that the domain name is configured in such a way that there is nowhere for email to go.




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August 02, 2011, 01:04:36 AM
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http://who.is/dns/mybitcoin.com/

Anyone else notice there is no MX record?  How was email to domain addresses supposed to be delivered?

Can you translate this for the non-propeller headed?

It indicates that the domain name is configured in such a way that there is nowhere for email to go.

Doesn't this indicate to you that this was not a legitimate enterprise? That this was an automated shell corporation set up to accumulate bitcoin and then to be shut off whenever the owner was ready?
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August 02, 2011, 01:11:46 AM
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http://who.is/dns/mybitcoin.com/

Anyone else notice there is no MX record?  How was email to domain addresses supposed to be delivered?

Can you translate this for the non-propeller headed?

It indicates that the domain name is configured in such a way that there is nowhere for email to go.

Doesn't this indicate to you that this was not a legitimate enterprise? That this was an automated shell corporation set up to accumulate bitcoin and then to be shut off whenever the owner was ready?

Possibly.
It would be interesting to know if email to <something>@mybitcoin.org was ever in place..  or did he always use another contact method?




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August 02, 2011, 01:12:12 AM
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Doesn't this indicate to you that this was not a legitimate enterprise? That this was an automated shell corporation set up to accumulate bitcoin and then to be shut off whenever the owner was ready?

This is assuming that the person behind it knew that bitcoin would grow so big.

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August 02, 2011, 01:20:09 AM
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Doesn't this indicate to you that this was not a legitimate enterprise? That this was an automated shell corporation set up to accumulate bitcoin and then to be shut off whenever the owner was ready?

This is assuming that the person behind it knew that bitcoin would grow so big.

It doesn't assume he knew anything.  He may, like everyone else, have merely speculated, and got it right enough.
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August 02, 2011, 01:35:02 AM
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Doesn't this indicate to you that this was not a legitimate enterprise? That this was an automated shell corporation set up to accumulate bitcoin and then to be shut off whenever the owner was ready?

This is assuming that the person behind it knew that bitcoin would grow so big.

It doesn't assume he knew anything.  He may, like everyone else, have merely speculated, and got it right enough.

Despite a few recent problems - the mybitcoin name was big enough that it would have had some serious value as a legitimate sale.

It doesn't make a lot of sense to run off with that much bitcoin - when it'll be hard to offload any time soon without bringing the exchange price down.
If he's that bullish on bitcoin that he's willing to take a slow payout by dribbling the booty into the exchanges.. then surely he'd be bullish enough to realize the potential value of mybitcoin as a legitimate sale.

Even if there was something approaching 1Million USD in BTC there... it strikes me as a dumb move to go the illegitimate way.

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August 02, 2011, 01:43:31 AM
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I think the site got hit big time after the Mt. gox hack and the guy quit after that.  Lots of warnings such as this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=26224.0

That noone heeded.  Actually the OP was having to defend himself in many instances.
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August 02, 2011, 01:46:36 AM
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I think the site got hit big time after the Mt. gox hack and the guy quit after that.  Lots of warnings such as this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=26224.0

That noone heeded.  Actually the OP was having to defend himself in many instances.

Yes. They called me "troll" and suggested I was lying.  Well I weren't.
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August 02, 2011, 01:54:34 AM
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I think the site got hit big time after the Mt. gox hack and the guy quit after that.  Lots of warnings such as this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=26224.0

That noone heeded.  Actually the OP was having to defend himself in many instances.

Yes. They called me "troll" and suggested I was lying.  Well I weren't.

Well you could be right... I'm saying is that it seems a little odd that it would be a scam.

Even if the guy stuffed up a bit and was operating with somewhat less BTC than deposited - there would be a legitimate way out.
1)Resecure it,
2)offer it up for sale - (I'm sure you could have got some serious coin for it even just a week ago)
3)use part of the proceeds to top the balances back up.
4)Profit.


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August 02, 2011, 01:59:25 AM
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Port 9999 is open on mybitcoin's server 83.149.112.133
So its not down, or hung, nor is it a httpd crash (that would give a closed port), someone purposely put up a firewall to block all the other ports.

If anyone who has lost a money in it the only hope you have of getting it back is to quickly get a court order in Netherlands for the hosting provider leaseweb to freeze the contents of his server and hopefully the BTC can be recovered.
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August 02, 2011, 02:01:49 AM
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Help!! Anyone from Holland around here?!
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August 02, 2011, 05:07:40 AM
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Hmm.  A court order from Holland, didn't think of that.  Was thinking filing an injunction in Federal court in the U.S. would be the way to go.  Leaseweb is a Netherlands Company, Nevis is in the Commonwealth under the UK, according to wikipedia page.  But leaseweb also has a U.S. office.

http://www.leaseweb.com/en/about-us/contact

Looking at block explorer for all the transactions I had with mybitcoin, the money gets sent to my mybitcoin address, then immediately gets sent to another address internally by mybitcoin, then there is a series of internal transfers.  It is too complicated to follow by hand, someone would need to write a script to track where all the btc went.

In any case, it should be possible with a little scripting to trace every last satoshi to where it is now using blockexplorer.  This should be done ASAP, so we know where he put all the stolen btc.  Then we can program a hook into the bitcoin p2p network to find out the IP address connecting with the addresses with the stolen btc, find out where he is (by subpoena), and send in the goon squad.

So the solution as I see it is to

1) file a class action suit to
2) get an injunction, while
3) programmers write script to find out address where btc are, and
4) work on a program to get IP address when bitcoin client with that address connects, so that
5) subpoena identity info of IP address, so that
6) goon squad can physically restrain "Tom Williams" or whoever to prevent further conversion of the ill-gotten gains while case proceeds in court

Now whether the suit is in the Netherlands or the U.S.A. that's an open question, and someone is going to need to pony up for a lawyer willing and able to do all this legal work, probably on a contingent basis, with little hope of reward.  Sad 

I only lost about 40 - 60 btc (don't remember exactly) so it is cheaper and easier for me to just post this bit of advice and walk away.

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August 02, 2011, 07:34:34 AM
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In any case, it should be possible with a little scripting to trace every last satoshi to where it is now using blockexplorer.

i don't think that would work since they can get mashed together with 'good' coins.

i.e. put two satoshis (one 'stolen' and one 'good') in a blender and mix on high until you have 0.00000002 btc, then separate them again by spending 1 satoshi to 2 different people... which satoshi is the 'stolen' one?
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August 02, 2011, 08:02:55 AM
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Hmm.  A court order from Holland, didn't think of that.  Was thinking filing an injunction in Federal court in the U.S. would be the way to go.  Leaseweb is a Netherlands Company, Nevis is in the Commonwealth under the UK, according to wikipedia page.  But leaseweb also has a U.S. office.

http://www.leaseweb.com/en/about-us/contact

Looking at block explorer for all the transactions I had with mybitcoin, the money gets sent to my mybitcoin address, then immediately gets sent to another address internally by mybitcoin, then there is a series of internal transfers.  It is too complicated to follow by hand, someone would need to write a script to track where all the btc went.

In any case, it should be possible with a little scripting to trace every last satoshi to where it is now using blockexplorer.  This should be done ASAP, so we know where he put all the stolen btc.  Then we can program a hook into the bitcoin p2p network to find out the IP address connecting with the addresses with the stolen btc, find out where he is (by subpoena), and send in the goon squad.

So the solution as I see it is to

1) file a class action suit to
2) get an injunction, while
3) programmers write script to find out address where btc are, and
4) work on a program to get IP address when bitcoin client with that address connects, so that
5) subpoena identity info of IP address, so that
6) goon squad can physically restrain "Tom Williams" or whoever to prevent further conversion of the ill-gotten gains while case proceeds in court

Now whether the suit is in the Netherlands or the U.S.A. that's an open question, and someone is going to need to pony up for a lawyer willing and able to do all this legal work, probably on a contingent basis, with little hope of reward.  Sad 

I only lost about 40 - 60 btc (don't remember exactly) so it is cheaper and easier for me to just post this bit of advice and walk away.

something to start with... some ways it's a principle
work on the US doubt there is anybody in this community from Netherlands can support this...
I lost 77BTC I can forget about it but this experience can help to prevent in the future easy way to scam... I know I could trust less superficial site like MyBitcoin...

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August 02, 2011, 08:23:33 AM
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I think the site got hit big time after the Mt. gox hack and the guy quit after that.

Probably the most likely explanation. MyBitcoin may have reacted too slowly after the MtGox hack, and a number of their wallets were subsequently hacked with the usernames / passwords from the MtGox user list. They knew they couldn't refund those wallets, so they decided to just make a run.

Makes perfect sense to me.

Yeah, well... I'm gonna go build my own blockchain, with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the blockchain!
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