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April 14, 2018, 04:09:50 AM
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Hi guys,

Can't we develop some mechanism like Reddit or other forums where every user have equal right of voting on a post.

Bitcointalk was made overcome the problems of the cypto domain arrise due to lack of info where user can help each other.

Now it has become like a system of monarchy Where some members are behaving like a king and announcing like they are throwing food(merit) come and beg to them.

If there could be a method to rate such post I should have down voted these posts. There is no way to resist if higher rank holders misused their positions.

Earlier there were cases where higher raked member banned lowerone and sending them to btc address and asking for donation for removal of ban.

How this merit system will stop the spam it has nothing to do with that. There are discussion selling merits https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2825620.0
In other words this merit is a new way of earning for high ranked members.

Pls save this forum...
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Can't we develop so mechanism like Reddit or other forums where every user have equal right of voting on a post.
No. Equal rights don’t work on a forum where anyone can create an unlimited number of sock puppet alts.

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April 14, 2018, 05:14:19 AM
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I don’t know on what forum you have been for the past months but the merit system was created to reduce spam and shitposters, if you give everybody equal right to vote they will use that to make money by posting trash. Mainly using alts, as @bitperson says.

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April 14, 2018, 05:47:21 AM
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Hi guys,

Can't we develop some mechanism like Reddit or other forums where every user have equal right of voting on a post.

Bitcointalk was made overcome the problems of the cypto domain arrise due to lack of info where user can help each other.

Now it has become like a system of monarchy Where some members are behaving like a king and announcing like they are throwing food(merit) come and beg to them.

If there could be a method to rate such post I should have down voted these posts. There is no way to resist if higher rank holders misused their positions.

Earlier there were cases where higher raked member banned lowerone and sending them to btc address and asking for donation for removal of ban.

How this merit system will stop the spam it has nothing to do with that. There are discussion selling merits https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2825620.0
In other words this merit is a new way of earning for high ranked members.

Pls save this forum...
If people can give merit to one another, many will use it as a "fake" merit because they will donate it for articles that are not good for the community or forum

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April 14, 2018, 06:02:39 AM
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Can't we develop some mechanism like Reddit or other forums where every user have equal right of voting on a post.  

Already bitperson replied avobe.

Bitcointalk was made overcome the problems of the cypto domain arrise due to lack of info where user can help each other.

Now it has become like a system of monarchy Where some members are behaving like a king and announcing like they are throwing food(merit) come and beg to them.

Do you mean to say that after announcement of merit people suddenly stop helping/stop replying to the other users question?
For the people behaving like "King" you can safely ignore them so they do not bother you.


If there could be a method to rate such post I should have down voted these posts. There is no way to resist if higher rank holders misused their positions.
Already have "Report to Moderator" button and If you look closely you will find example when legendary painted red and when Hero painted red for misleading.So higher rank do not make you immune.


Earlier there were cases where higher raked member banned lowerone and sending them to btc address and asking for donation for removal of ban.
This is accusation without proof.


How this merit system will stop the spam it has nothing to do with that. There are discussion selling merits https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2825620.0
In other words this merit is a new way of earning for high ranked members.
That OP used word might and he is suspecting the merit trade and you have taken altogether a different meaning. Did you reported the people whom you suspect that they are engaged on merit trading?

Pls save this forum...
I think I am finally in agreement with you.

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April 14, 2018, 06:14:46 AM
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Can't we develop some mechanism like Reddit or other forums where every user have equal right of voting on a post.  

Already bitperson replied avobe.

Bitcointalk was made overcome the problems of the cypto domain arrise due to lack of info where user can help each other.

Now it has become like a system of monarchy Where some members are behaving like a king and announcing like they are throwing food(merit) come and beg to them.

Do you mean to say that after announcement of merit people suddenly stop helping/stop replying to the other users question?
For the people behaving like "King" you can safely ignore them so they do not bother you.


If there could be a method to rate such post I should have down voted these posts. There is no way to resist if higher rank holders misused their positions.
Already have "Report to Moderator" button and If you look closely you will find example when legendary painted red and when Hero painted red for misleading.So higher rank do not make you immune.


Earlier there were cases where higher raked member banned lowerone and sending them to btc address and asking for donation for removal of ban.
This is accusation without proof.


How this merit system will stop the spam it has nothing to do with that. There are discussion selling merits https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2825620.0
In other words this merit is a new way of earning for high ranked members.
That OP used word might and he is suspecting the merit trade and you have taken altogether a different meaning. Did you reported the people whom you suspect that they are engaged on merit trading?

Pls save this forum...
I think I am finally in agreement with you.


Thanks for the prompt reply. In some points I agree with you but for the case where higher rank member banned one of my friend and then unblocked him for 0.05 btc. I can't show you the proof as he is not giving. He is having fear of banning again.

 But yes it's a true case.

I think forum should provide few option to blocked member so that he or she can Appel and to cross chk whether he is banned.for right reason.

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April 14, 2018, 06:38:25 AM
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I think the big problem with sMerit is that it is a scarce commodity. And the big problem with upvote and downvote is that it is plentiful and at no cost to anyone who uses it.

sMerit has a hidden cost. And so people are trying to use it in the justest and rational way. That can provide the greatest gain for themselves and to the community. This results in a slow and gradual distribution and it is necessary to observe if it is not necessary to increase the number of sMerits so that they have a greater fluidity.

And I think even more important would be to redistribute those that are not used in a short time, maybe two weeks, for the merit source. Many people who no longer use the forum received sMerits, which further decreased their immediate availability.


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April 14, 2018, 10:12:30 AM
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I think forum should provide few option to blocked member so that he or she can Appel and to cross chk whether he is banned.for right reason.
The banishment notices people have posted here on Bitcointalk have included an email address for appeals. So that seems to be in order already.

Also, this isn’t the commons where everyone has the right to hang out; this forum is private property and the owners are entitled to remove users at their discretion. Keep in mind that the more complicated the banning and appeal process would be made, the easier it would become for miscreants to overwhelm staff with work.

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April 14, 2018, 10:43:53 AM
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Merit system has its own pros and cons. Pros, no more shitpost, spam, and many more quality post. Cons, user are more hard to rank up, because some people are too lazy to give merit to someone.
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April 14, 2018, 10:53:54 AM
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Thanks for the prompt reply. In some points I agree with you but for the case where higher rank member banned one of my friend and then unblocked him for 0.05 btc. I can't show you the proof as he is not giving. He is having fear of banning again.

 But yes it's a true case.

I think forum should provide few option to blocked member so that he or she can Appel and to cross chk whether he is banned.for right reason.

If that is true, then it indicates that there is a far deeper problem. I assume that the  person was banned for some abuse of the forum rules, otherwise he could have appealed the ban. He has paid 0.05 btc to have his account reinstated. This means that he believes that he can earn far more than that from his membership, and that must be from posting low value spam comments. Somehow, we need to stop this destruction of the forum, and make it uneconomic.

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April 14, 2018, 11:01:56 AM
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Merit system already run for several months, but it seems that it does not work very well, scam post still can see everywhere, the only thing I can see is that few people can get rank rise and most low rank user are complain about this

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April 14, 2018, 11:04:19 AM
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He has paid 0.05 btc to have his account reinstated. This means that he believes that he can earn far more than that from his membership, and that must be from posting low value spam comments. Somehow, we need to stop this destruction of the forum, and make it uneconomic.

I don't get how can someone pay anything to shitposters. This will not last long, this makes no sense.

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April 14, 2018, 11:07:06 AM
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Merit system has its own pros and cons. Pros, no more shitpost, spam, and many more quality post. Cons, user are more hard to rank up, because some people are too lazy to give merit to someone.

more than "some people" I would say that 95% of the users are far too lazy to click on the merit button, even when you post a solution to a problem or give some quality advice. I like the idea behind the introduction (reducing crappy posts) but the problem is being tackled with the wrong "solution" which is creating merit farming and forum clans. All that was needed was a much tougher moderation without giving the members all the power. That is the reason for which forums have always featured having a moderation team, because for as much as you would like to believe that not every single member has the skills to be a moderator! In my opinion this has been a very bad decision, but I stick to it and respect it although I don't like it one bit.

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April 14, 2018, 11:09:17 AM
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Where is my right to not having to see your shitposts everywhere? Just go away with these bullshit complaints.

There, right to not-be-nice speech.

No. Equal rights don’t work on a forum where anyone can create an unlimited number of sock puppet alts.
Correct. Liberalists will go into screeching mode upon reading the first part of your sentence though.

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April 14, 2018, 11:23:18 AM
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My ignore button works well. Maybe we need a cenral ignore list that we can use.

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My ignore button works well. Maybe we need a cenral ignore list that we can use.

Same here, my ignore button works well too and i think your ignore list with reference why those people are banned is good one.

Hi guys,

Can't we develop some mechanism like Reddit or other forums where every user have equal right of voting on a post.

Bitcointalk was made overcome the problems of the cypto domain arrise due to lack of info where user can help each other.

Now it has become like a system of monarchy Where some members are behaving like a king and announcing like they are throwing food(merit) come and beg to them.

If there could be a method to rate such post I should have down voted these posts. There is no way to resist if higher rank holders misused their positions.

Earlier there were cases where higher raked member banned lowerone and sending them to btc address and asking for donation for removal of ban.

How this merit system will stop the spam it has nothing to do with that. There are discussion selling merits https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2825620.0
In other words this merit is a new way of earning for high ranked members.

Pls save this forum...

Just because the system there is better for that forum, doesnt mean it can be applied to this forum or better for this forum. There are so many different variables between bitcointalk and reddit so you can not just say that the system is better and must be applied in here.


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April 14, 2018, 07:57:19 PM
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It is important to realise that the merit system is not a Karma system, or an Applause system. It is a barrier. It's primary function is to stop people from ranking up, and it is not there to reward people. You need to see it as your friend and work with it, and if you do this it will lead you to the banquet. If you constantly fight it, it will make sure that you stay in the trenches.

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April 14, 2018, 08:27:00 PM
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Another merit topic again? Can moderator just not allow merit topic. I usually visit Meta to read some rules and other stuffs but lately it is all about merit. It was explained over and over dude so  get out if don't like the system. Plain and simple.

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April 16, 2018, 06:12:41 AM
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Another merit topic again? Can moderator just not allow merit topic. I usually visit Meta to read some rules and other stuffs but lately it is all about merit. It was explained over and over dude so  get out if don't like the system. Plain and simple.
you're right sir again and again it's just a matter of making thread about merit why it's worth repeating yet every topic should be a thread just to look good on the board and many members will learn not to repeat the topic again inducing .

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April 16, 2018, 07:15:46 AM
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Can't we develop some mechanism like Reddit or other forums where every user have equal right of voting on a post.
If I were to choose I would still stick to the system now where I can give more than 1 Merit (Up vote) per post rather than unlimited up votes (merits) of 1 point from multiple users. Why? Because if all of the members have the ability to give even at least 1 sMerit in every post then it would be a frenzy of upvotes here and there and that is including spam and shit post, the merit system where its main point is to lessen worthless and useless post would be wasted.

Now it has become like a system of monarchy Where some members are behaving like a king and announcing like they are throwing food(merit) come and beg to them.
If you are talking about Merit Sources who have their own thread for their own way of giving merits I don't think its wrong as their sMerits is  still being given to quality posts of users here in the forum. It is not like they are asking you to beg in order for them to give you merits from your post. Plus not all merits sources have that kind of technique some actually scroll and read threads that have quality posts on it.

Pls save this forum...
Save from what? Members like you begging for a system that will work for them in order to have a higher rank? If that is what you are asking I don't think the admins here will listen to you. As you are like asking for spammer and shit posters to come back.

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