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April 15, 2018, 04:03:55 PM
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So you think it is easy to figure out good posts from thousands of posts daily? Sources aren't paid afaik to screen all boards/topics/posts, they are volunteers.
Local boards may have also good replies same for altcoins discussion, 0.01% isn't 0%.

If Depth1 goes offline then you should ask theymos this question before asking me tho Wink, my answer is simply replacing the dormant one with the best depth2 and so on.

Complicated? What is complicated in transferring some of your smerit to another user? It is 1 click to send +/- 1 click to approve.
Let's say for example that in August some sources will take a vacation for several weeks, could you tell me what will be the consequence?
As a legendary, i don't care since I will not feel anything, as a lower rank member it will have a huge impact.
I prefer prevent issues rather than waiting it to happens then spending months to fix it.

It is my point of view and I respect your points also.

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April 15, 2018, 04:13:38 PM
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Let's say for example that in August some sources will take a vacation for several weeks, could you tell me what will be the consequence?
As a legendary, i don't care since I will not feel anything, as a lower rank member it will have a huge impact.
I prefer prevent issues rather than waiting it to happens then spending months to fix it.

It is my point of view and I respect your points also.

Lols this reminds me of a discussion about hypermarkets schedule.
They should be closed on the weekends so the employees can take a rest and only small stores should still be opened cause..... they have no workers  Grin Grin

If some merit sources take vacations, isn't possible that the same percentage of users also take vacations?
And what would this "huge impact" you're talking about?

Furthermore, you realize that I'm lower in rank than you and I'm really not scared about this catastrophe that is going to happen in the summer? And nobody should! Cause there is none!





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April 15, 2018, 04:23:39 PM
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I really don't understand the problem. I've got merits to award, and I've been looking through the boards. I've found more posters to ignore, than I've found posts to merit. I've tried to rectify this with various help threads, and I've even set up a help site, but all many posters want to do is to spam their rubbish to scratch a few coins that they probably won't receive anyway. That's probably a jaundiced view, but I'm getting fed up with finding rubbish everywhere. It's on the streets as well as the Internet. Lets make Bitcoin Talk a haven for sensible discussions, and not another venue for frauds, scammers, thieves and advertising hoardings.

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April 15, 2018, 06:17:14 PM
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Oh boy, i just want to make the system great again Wink

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It is hard to find this but not impossible

And depth2 are users like you that will not give the transferred smerit to fraudsters, scammers and thieves Smiley

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April 15, 2018, 06:59:25 PM
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do the sources - whoever they are - really have an impact on the distribution?
i dont see a lot of merited post. maybe its because i am active in the spamy-part of the forum - the altcoin section.

sources may have a lot of merits to sent. but if the receivers dont send them to somebody else the distribution stops at this point.

and because I am sure that a lot of users are here to make money. a lot of them sont send their merits. why? because they hope that sometimes in the future the can sell them.
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April 15, 2018, 07:23:18 PM
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do the sources - whoever they are - really have an impact on the distribution?
Yes and increasing.

i dont see a lot of merited post. maybe its because i am active in the spamy-part of the forum - the altcoin section.
Definitely. Check merit stats to get more informations.

and because I am sure that a lot of users are here to make money. a lot of them sont send their merits. why? because they hope that sometimes in the future the can sell them.
My impression right now :

Epic fail.

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April 15, 2018, 08:14:58 PM
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do the sources - whoever they are - really have an impact on the distribution?
i dont see a lot of merited post. maybe its because i am active in the spamy-part of the forum - the altcoin section.

sources may have a lot of merits to sent. but if the receivers dont send them to somebody else the distribution stops at this point.


Once the initial air drop has been used, half of all the merits awarded will come from merit sources. It's even higher if the awardees don't spend their sMerits.

I've got all the alt section, and the local boards on ignore, so I never visit them. The local boards are on ignore for obvious reasons not related to post quality.

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April 15, 2018, 09:03:52 PM
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InvoKing, you might be on to something but you seem to be drawing conclusions from some wrong assumptions. Merit sources don't need to review every single post because (1) a lot of it is pure garbage - take a look at patrol; and (2) the depth-2-merit already exists to some extent - users can re-distribute 50% of their received merits.

Having said that, some tweaks might be needed to address the issue of sMerits not being sent. theymos seemed to suggest that decaying unused sMerits would be the way to do it. I kinda doubt it would be a good incentive though. If a user doesn't care about sending them, they won't care about decay either.

Perhaps the decayed sMerits can be redistributed to most active senders, and IIRC that idea had been brought up already but dismissed for a number of reasons, mainly because theymos could just increase the number of sources. However more sources means more policing needed by theymos to track abuses, since the sources can't really police each other. Maybe some sort of multi-level system would be better, IDK.

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April 15, 2018, 10:13:37 PM
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I don't think Theymos would need to monitor merit sources at all. There are so many competent members running merit analysis programs, that nay abuse would be highlighted fairly quickly.

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April 15, 2018, 10:46:03 PM
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I don't think Theymos would need to monitor merit sources at all. There are so many competent members running merit analysis programs, that nay abuse would be highlighted fairly quickly.

Sorry, "abuse" was the wrong word for what I had in mind. "Apathy" perhaps. If a merit source is not sending merits out fast enough they won't get a replenishment, so that's sort of a penalty for them, but also the forum as a whole loses out. We have 17800 source merits and only ~28k sent out in the last 30 days, so someone is slacking - should be closer to 35k if the system worked perfectly, and that's not even including the leftovers from the "airdrop". Without knowing who the sources are we don't know if the sources are doing their job. Only theymos knows that ATM.

As for actual abuse - sure, there is quite a bit of sleuthing going on. Not sure how effective it is but it's still early days.

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April 15, 2018, 11:06:23 PM
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I think I'll write a guide about posting and getting your post read.
It's quite a struggle to find decent posts, and many of the threads don't get opened by me because of the title. Even the posters name matters - a name like suchmoon is identifiable, gq67zx593 makes the poster look like a bot or a spammer, and that could affect the opening of a thread.

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April 16, 2018, 07:46:35 AM
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OK, thanks suchmoon & Jet, should I keep this topic open or lock it?

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No harm in keeping it open. Maybe someone will pitch in with a brilliant idea.
Ok thanks for your feedbacks Smiley

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April 16, 2018, 03:19:54 PM
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OK, thanks suchmoon & Jet, should I keep this topic open or lock it?

No harm in keeping it open. Maybe someone will pitch in with a brilliant idea.

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